Should, Shouldn't, Couldn't...What we need to make on Mars...

SpaceNut · 2017-04-24 17:40:42

I could see using engines in the future under a dome as the compressed gasses would be easier to recover other wise I would think that we would try to recycle the exhaust live as its consumed though this would require extra power to pull off but then it would have unlimited distance of use.

elderflower · 2017-04-25 03:04:57

Unfortunately, unless we put the analogue unit into orbit, we can't also simulate Mars gravity. I do think a Mars gravity simulation satellite should be orbited as soon as possible so that medical observations can be made.

RobertDyck · 2017-04-25 04:14:11

elderflower wrote:

Unfortunately, unless we put the analogue unit into orbit, we can't also simulate Mars gravity. I do think a Mars gravity simulation satellite should be orbited as soon as possible so that medical observations can be made.

The Centrifuge Accommodation Module was a major science module for ISS. It was to be a module the size of Discovery, the US science module. The module would hold a centrifuge the full diameter of a full-size module of ISS. This isn't large enough for a human, but is large enough for laboratory mice, or other small laboratory animals. It was intended to perform experiments at acceleration equal to Mars gravity and Lunar gravity. When the US first cancelled this module, Italy agreed to pay for it, and Japan built it. The module with its centrifuge was sitting in staging at KSC waiting for the Shuttle to launch it. However, when President Obama cancelled Shuttle, this module was cancelled. It was fully complete, awaiting launch, but was just never launched. I spoke with one individual working at JSC who told me they were trying to convince President Obama to authorize just one more Shuttle launch for this module. There was one external tank left, they could have done it, but President Obama did not allow it.

For a while I tried to argue to use the Russia space shuttle Ptichka to launch this module. But to make a long story short, that orbiter is no longer in flight condition. After the Cygnus cargo ship successfully launched to ISS, I suggested using a service module of Cygnus to do it. No Pressurized Cargo Module, instead the service module would deliver the Centrifuge Accommodation Module. The Station's arm would grab it, as it currently does with Cygnus, then berth it to a CBM port.

louis · 2017-04-25 04:17:53

I think the best we can do in terms of Mars gravity is have a simulation on the moon with people wearing weighted suits.

elderflower wrote:

Unfortunately, unless we put the analogue unit into orbit, we can't also simulate Mars gravity. I do think a Mars gravity simulation satellite should be orbited as soon as possible so that medical observations can be made.

elderflower · 2017-04-25 05:56:37

Better to launch the Japanese device that Robert has identified and study the lab rats than to do nothing. I think the moon is a distraction and shouldn't be pursued until we are established on Mars, with its much better potential for life support.
I see that the Russians have reduced the number of cosmonauts on the station, so there must be space for a biologist.
Could it be launched by a Falcon 9, Robert? That wouldn't be all that expensive.
By the way, what time is it in Winnipeg? I reckon you started a bit early this morning.

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Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-08-26 05:53:06

Norway to spend $6 million a year stock-piling grain, citing pandemic, war and climate change

https://apnews.com/article/norway-emerg … 1758efed40

Mars_B4_Moon · 2024-05-05 05:07:40

Something to Eat

Food that helps feed more than 1,000 at Antarctic research bases for a year procured by Elgin company
https://www.chicagotribune.com/2024/04/ … s-trading/

the South Pole has food shipped, can Mars grow its own?

Knowledge of recycling material, saving water, how to manufacture and how animals survive in extreme locations for example Feral donkey does fine surving in the deserts, Atacama Desert is the driest nonpolar desert in the world, yet some of these dry remote sites survive like island people, Taltal a Chilean commune has a population of 11,000 + active research stations operated by various nations at the South Pole can hold hundreds of people

deserts of Chile can change nature to suit them, they changed the land they have roads, business, they have a church, entertainment, they make money on tourism. This would be the 'expansion' era.

Analogue active stations Mars Desert Research Station (MDRS) is the largest and longest-running Mars surface research facility, better than Biosphere 2 experiment the Analogues can be two-story habitat with a greenhouse
2002 Completes First Crew Rotation
https://www.spacedaily.com/news/mars-base-02c.html

Trade and Service for the Colony

India removes GST on services supplied to Nepal, Bhutan
https://www.thebridgechronicle.com/busi … hutan-7960

Hyundai’s AI Excavator: The Future of Construction
https://medium.com/predict/ef-b8-8f-hyu … 493f27a2c7

louis wrote:

COULDN'T

Nuclear reactors?

The nuclear reactors that could power bases on the Moon
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2024 … moon-bases

quote

But whichever coalition builds the first base on the Moon, they will all need a reliable power source. Across the world many companies and space agencies have all come to the same conclusion.
"The truth is that nuclear is the only option to power a moonbase," says Simon Middleburgh from the Nuclear Futures Institute at Bangor University in Wales.

"Nuclear is the only game in town," says Middleburgh. "We can't take fuel up there. Solar panels won't work. Diesel generators won't work and the old-style radio-thermal generators just aren't big enough to pack a punch."

China article
https://www.frontiersin.org/research-to … h-reactors

With the innovation of nuclear energy technology, Generation IV reactors, small nuclear reactors, and fusion reactors have received widespread attention and research. The Generation IV reactors, such as ultra-high temperature reactors, liquid metal fast reactors, molten salt reactors, etc., have made significant improvements in sustainability, safety, economy, and suppression of nuclear proliferation. Small modular nuclear reactors have outstanding characteristics such as diverse uses, flexible deployment, environmental friendliness, and high safety.

and
a Robot or Unmanned product facility able to build other Robots

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