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Terraformer

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From: Logres

Registered: 2007-08-27

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Re: Chinese Space Program? - What if they get there first

Give America back to the Native Americans? What about me? I'm part Native American so does that mean I'd have part of America?      

The difference between America and China is China is not democratic and doesn't give Tibeteans voting rights whereas America does to Native Americans.

Anyway, that's my to pence (worth as much as a Nickle   .) Back to space.

Can't really think of anything to say.

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akinkhoo

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From: EARTH

Registered: 2008-02-28

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Re: Chinese Space Program? - What if they get there first

The difference between America and China is China is not democratic and doesn't give Tibeteans voting rights whereas America does to Native Americans.

voting right is quite useless when all your options are bad.  there is no way George Bush Jr is doing a better job that the leaders of china. and hillary? mccain?... obama? :?

i am a chinese, i know what china need. it is call a constitution. democracy is meaningless if it doesn't protect the people. what china needs to improve is it's laws. that is what is really protecting the people. if china became a democracy, and the leader are allow to play racial card to win majority vote, you think tibetan will be better off? 

democracy is misunderstood as "the cure", but that is not what is really protecting people. democracy didn't save iraq, people are still fighting because they think the government is bias to the majority, and such is the reality. i don't want to see china fall apart like USSR or Iraq. i rather take the right kind of reform. that is to improve the constitution, to improve the law of governance.

it is difficult to change to individualism, china has existed like this of 5000 years. the books, the writing... the ideas... isn't just some communism crap, this is tradition: family before self, and nation before clan. it is what allow china to endure and not lose it's culture despite defeat. china of today will still accept changes and new ideas, as younger generation come to see the benefit of the system and liking it. but it not something anyone here will push for anytime soon, we have enough revolution and chaos.

peace and growth is good, disturbing it just to make a point (aka Iraq) is a bad idea.

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btw, if half the taiwan people doesn't want seperatism... can china have half the island back?  :oops: sorry i am being evil, support democracy when it benefit...   ok, this is just a bad joke.

Do please, I joined this forum to discuss space not politics. I came here to discuss Skylab, Voyager, Shenzhou, Venera and not to discuss Donald Rumsfeld or Mao Zedong

off which can we just start a new thread? this is like 4 years ago when we are still debating if china can even get to space... 

cIclops

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Registered: 2005-06-16

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Re: Chinese Space Program? - What if they get there first

(moved this from Human Missions as it's become highly political)

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Terraformer

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From: Logres

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Re: Chinese Space Program? - What if they get there first

Why not split it and move one into Free Chat instead?

There's an answer if you hate all the candidates: run for president yourself.

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cIclops

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Re: Chinese Space Program? - What if they get there first

Why not split it and move one into Free Chat instead?

There are a LOT of messages in this topic, it would be difficult to untangle them all. Anyway it's nearly all about the politics of Chinese involvement in space. Maybe the new version of phpBB will make it easier to do.

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srmeaney

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From: 18 tiwi gdns rd, TIWI NT 0810

Registered: 2005-03-18

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Re: Chinese Space Program? - What if they get there first

i am a chinese, i know what china need. it is call a constitution. democracy is meaningless if it doesn't protect the people. what china needs to improve is it's laws. that is what is really protecting the people. if china became a democracy, and the leader are allow to play racial card to win majority vote, you think tibetan will be better off?

Democracy has become about Dispossession. The Majority (or rather the Largest most powerful Minority) are taking away everyone elses equal Share and using it for themselves even in the USA.

What you want for China is this:

"Every Act of Government, Law, Constitution, and Sovereign shall require the regular consensus of every Citizen."

Now when China Absorbed Hong Kong, it began using the Seditious Crimes Act (A Commonwealth Law on the HK Lawcode) against the Local Populace. That read:

"Sedition is any Act causing Government, Law, Constitution, and Sovereign to be held in hatred and contempt."

That means that any Act of Government, Law, Constitution, Sovereign causing Government, Law, Constitution, Sovereign to be held in hatred and contempt is a Seditious Act.

cIclops

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Re: Chinese Space Program? - What if they get there first

(Please try to keep the discussion related to space, otherwise continue in Free Chat.)

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louis

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From: UK

Registered: 2008-03-24

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Re: Chinese Space Program? - What if they get there first

Regarding risk, I think we should be looking at this much more like going mountaineering than getting on a commercial airliner.

Of course, everything should be done to minimise risk within reason and no one should take a conscious gamble on a life (as happened with the O rings).

But on the other hand we have to expect that people could die on a mission to Mars and as long as people are prepared to volunteer for these hazardous missions, they should go ahead with all due speed.

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Gregori

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From: Baile Atha Cliath, Eireann

Registered: 2008-01-13

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Re: Chinese Space Program? - What if they get there first

If China get there first, fair fucks too them!

They make just about everything you have, so why shouldn't they have a place in Martian history.

I don't really care who get there first, once somebody gets there. Everybody will get a bit of the Martian pie eventually.