Chinese Space Program? - What if they get there first

Terraformer · 2007-11-27 09:00:58

Give America back to the Native Americans? What about me? I'm part Native American so does that mean I'd have part of America?

The difference between America and China is China is not democratic and doesn't give Tibeteans voting rights whereas America does to Native Americans.

Anyway, that's my to pence (worth as much as a Nickle .) Back to space.

Can't really think of anything to say.

akinkhoo · 2008-02-28 11:38:08

The difference between America and China is China is not democratic and doesn't give Tibeteans voting rights whereas America does to Native Americans.

voting right is quite useless when all your options are bad. there is no way George Bush Jr is doing a better job that the leaders of china. and hillary? mccain?... obama? :?

i am a chinese, i know what china need. it is call a constitution. democracy is meaningless if it doesn't protect the people. what china needs to improve is it's laws. that is what is really protecting the people. if china became a democracy, and the leader are allow to play racial card to win majority vote, you think tibetan will be better off?

democracy is misunderstood as "the cure", but that is not what is really protecting people. democracy didn't save iraq, people are still fighting because they think the government is bias to the majority, and such is the reality. i don't want to see china fall apart like USSR or Iraq. i rather take the right kind of reform. that is to improve the constitution, to improve the law of governance.

it is difficult to change to individualism, china has existed like this of 5000 years. the books, the writing... the ideas... isn't just some communism crap, this is tradition: family before self, and nation before clan. it is what allow china to endure and not lose it's culture despite defeat. china of today will still accept changes and new ideas, as younger generation come to see the benefit of the system and liking it. but it not something anyone here will push for anytime soon, we have enough revolution and chaos.

peace and growth is good, disturbing it just to make a point (aka Iraq) is a bad idea.

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btw, if half the taiwan people doesn't want seperatism... can china have half the island back? :oops: sorry i am being evil, support democracy when it benefit... ok, this is just a bad joke.

Do please, I joined this forum to discuss space not politics. I came here to discuss Skylab, Voyager, Shenzhou, Venera and not to discuss Donald Rumsfeld or Mao Zedong

off which can we just start a new thread? this is like 4 years ago when we are still debating if china can even get to space...

cIclops · 2008-02-28 11:47:37

(moved this from Human Missions as it's become highly political)

Terraformer · 2008-03-01 15:34:29

Why not split it and move one into Free Chat instead?

There's an answer if you hate all the candidates: run for president yourself.

cIclops · 2008-03-02 02:50:12

Why not split it and move one into Free Chat instead?

There are a LOT of messages in this topic, it would be difficult to untangle them all. Anyway it's nearly all about the politics of Chinese involvement in space. Maybe the new version of phpBB will make it easier to do.

srmeaney · 2008-03-24 02:49:31

i am a chinese, i know what china need. it is call a constitution. democracy is meaningless if it doesn't protect the people. what china needs to improve is it's laws. that is what is really protecting the people. if china became a democracy, and the leader are allow to play racial card to win majority vote, you think tibetan will be better off?

Democracy has become about Dispossession. The Majority (or rather the Largest most powerful Minority) are taking away everyone elses equal Share and using it for themselves even in the USA.

What you want for China is this:

"Every Act of Government, Law, Constitution, and Sovereign shall require the regular consensus of every Citizen."

Now when China Absorbed Hong Kong, it began using the Seditious Crimes Act (A Commonwealth Law on the HK Lawcode) against the Local Populace. That read:

"Sedition is any Act causing Government, Law, Constitution, and Sovereign to be held in hatred and contempt."

That means that any Act of Government, Law, Constitution, Sovereign causing Government, Law, Constitution, Sovereign to be held in hatred and contempt is a Seditious Act.

cIclops · 2008-03-24 02:58:37

(Please try to keep the discussion related to space, otherwise continue in Free Chat.)

louis · 2008-03-29 09:24:07

Regarding risk, I think we should be looking at this much more like going mountaineering than getting on a commercial airliner.

Of course, everything should be done to minimise risk within reason and no one should take a conscious gamble on a life (as happened with the O rings).

But on the other hand we have to expect that people could die on a mission to Mars and as long as people are prepared to volunteer for these hazardous missions, they should go ahead with all due speed.

Gregori · 2008-04-04 09:52:25

If China get there first, fair fucks too them!

They make just about everything you have, so why shouldn't they have a place in Martian history.

I don't really care who get there first, once somebody gets there. Everybody will get a bit of the Martian pie eventually.

Mars_B4_Moon · 2021-09-10 06:59:40

Review: The Red Planet
https://www.thespacereview.com/article/4237/1

Op-ed | Can Frank Kendall help the Space Force win the space race against China?
https://spacenews.com/op-ed-can-frank-k … nst-china/

Gregori wrote:

I don't really care who get there first, once somebody gets there. Everybody will get a bit of the Martian pie eventually.

I'm not sure if everyone will get a piece of the pie, I think the cultures that first land on Mars will get the first say or the first rights on how Mars will develop

In other news they say China is looking to build miles-wide 'megastructures' in space, not sure what this means, is it real news or just news speculation and did they incorrectly translate something the Chinese said?

Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-01-01 19:05:31

To Counter NASA’s $100 Billion Artemis Program, China Advances Its Low-Cost Lunar Base Mission By Eight Years

https://eurasiantimes.com/to-counter-na … ght-years/

China Space Station: What’s Up for 2022?

https://www.leonarddavid.com/china-spac … -for-2022/

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SpaceNut · 2022-01-01 19:14:30

Since Russia has had enough of the US and China is cloning the vehicles of the Russians it sounds that they have a perfect marriage.

Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-01-02 10:29:26

AI supported unmanned vehicles expected to go to the moon: Baidu executive
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202112/1243518.shtml

To the moon and beyond: what 2022 holds for space travel
https://www.theguardian.com/science/202 … ace-travel

Elon Musk believes Space X will land man on Mars within 10 years in the ‘worst case scenario’
https://www.news.com.au/technology/scie … 04c7dfe0d7

China has revealed an acceleration of its programme to put a base on the moon, apparently prompted in part by concerns over American-led moves to set the rules for future lunar activities. What was once science fiction is now real. Meanwhile American strategic advantage is fast eroding. In a break with the steady pace of China’s moon programme until now, space authorities have told state media it will set up an unmanned lunar research station, being jointly built with Russia, by 2027 – eight years earlier than planned.
https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion/ar … xploration
At the same time it has been reported that China and Russia expect to sign a new deal for space cooperation, as competition with the United States intensifies

SpaceNut wrote:

Since Russia has had enough of the US and China is cloning the vehicles of the Russians it sounds that they have a perfect marriage.

However Chinese and Russians don't always get along, Maybe they will go it alone, independent of Russia

https://twitter.com/Cosmic_Penguin/stat … 0569252869
“Long-term international blockage has forced us to be more innovative by ourselves.” - Yang Hong, CAST CSS chief designer
This really illustrates how the PRC as a whole plans to work alone in the future, in spaceflight or elsewhere

Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-04-12 06:03:32

Shenzhou13 astronaut Ye Guangfu answers a question about water in space: every drop of water in the China Space Station is recycled.
https://twitter.com/TiangongStation/sta … 3136818178

Chinese satellite set to join ‘radio telescope’ covering area 30 times the size of Earth
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science … size-earth

China plans more planetary endeavors: scientist
http://www.chinaview.cn/20220312/3c898d … 4af/c.html

Wu Weiren, the chief designer of China's lunar exploration program, said the country's deep space exploration will continue and its Mars mission will be followed by the Tianwen-2, Tianwen-3, and Tianwen-4.
He also disclosed future plans including explorations of Venus and asteroids in deep space. "We will carry out early warnings for asteroids that may pose a threat to human beings and may hit Earth," Wu said.

Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-04-17 07:12:04

Shenzhou-13 astronauts return to Earth after 182-day mission
https://spacenews.com/shenzhou-13-astro … y-mission/

LROC team sites page to include Chang'e 4 and Yutu 2.
https://www.lroc.asu.edu/featured_sites/view_site/64

PDF Paper, descent imaging used by the TW-1 lander
https://mdpi-res.com/d_attachment/remot … 709-v2.pdf

Chinese orbiter films the American "Perseverance" rover
https://news.sina.com.cn/c/2022-03-24/d … 1404.shtml

China's 'space dream': A Long March to the Moon and beyond
https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Chin … d_999.html

While China does not plan to use its space station for global cooperation on the scale of the International Space Station, Beijing said it is open to foreign collaboration.
It is not yet clear how extensive that cooperation will be.

Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-05-03 03:55:10

Sea Launches
Bird’s-eye view of the ocean based launch pad in the Yellow Sea for CZ11 rockets
https://twitter.com/CNSAWatcher/status/ … 8517914624

China’s 13th launch in 2022, 2nd in a week] At UTC 03:30 April 30, five Gaofen(高分/HighRes)-1 remote sensing satellites were successfully launched by CZ11 rocket in Yellow Sea, Eastern China.
https://twitter.com/CNSAWatcher/status/ … 7641531393

Chinese scientists have created an efficient way of synthesizing carbon dioxide into energy-rich long carbon chain compounds like sugar and fatty acids, according to a study published on the journal Nature Catalysis
https://global.chinadaily.com.cn/a/2022 … 5a2e1.html

Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-05-10 18:12:28

Outgunning NASA’s Hubble, China Claims Its Xuntian Telescope With 350-Fold Bigger View Can Unravel ‘Cosmic Mysteries’
https://eurasiantimes.com/china-claims- … ld-bigger/
"Chinese researchers have stated that the telescope will measure the positions, shapes, and brightness of nearly one billion galaxies, which could help explain how they evolve.

It will also aid in determining the upper limit of neutrino mass and shed light on the enigmatic dark matter and dark energy that make up the vast majority of the universe’s mass-energy content.

The Xuntian telescope will be connected to the Space Station Tiangong, which will become operational later this year. It was originally intended to be put on Tiangong, but there were concerns about vibration, contamination, stray light, and line-of-sight obstruction from the space station."

China plans to invite other nations and even commercial partners to work and stay on its Tiangong space station
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech … ation.html

How does China's Mars rover cope with winter on the Red Planet?
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2022-04-30/H … index.html

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Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-05-26 17:59:16

Sun Tzu - The Art of War

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF2pCff3ocg

Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-05-27 10:36:24

China targets permanently shadowed regions at lunar south pole

https://spacenews.com/china-targets-per … outh-pole/

Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-06-08 12:48:00

They will improve the map?

China releases new moon map, the world's most detailed to date
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2022-06-08/C … index.html

Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-06-15 02:51:43

Explosion at Chinese space launch center revealed by satellite imagery

https://spacenews.com/explosion-at-chin … e-imagery/

Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-06-25 02:46:48

Chinese official says its Mars sample mission will beat NASA back to Earth
https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Chin … h_999.html
A senior Chinese space official said on Monday the country is on track to bring back rocks from the surface of Mars two years ahead of the planned joint effort by NASA and the European Space Agency to do the same thing.

Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-07-01 17:11:53

Venus orbiter, lunar constellation, exoplanets telescopes among candidates as China selects new space science mission

https://spacenews.com/venus-orbiter-lun … -missions/

The Chinese Academy Sciences is preparing to select a new batch of space missions from proposals to study Earth, the Sun and solar system, and the deeper universe as part of a “New Horizons Program.”
Concepts proposed in recent years have been down selected to a list of 13 candidate missions in four broad fields of space astronomy and astrophysics, exoplanets, heliophysics and planetary and Earth science.
It is expected that a Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS) committee will select 5-7 missions for CAS’s third Strategic Priority Program (SPP III) project, also known as the New Horizons Program, according to a new paper in the Chinese Journal of Space Science.

Mars_B4_Moon · 2022-07-04 17:04:42

China rejects NASA accusation it will take over the Moon

https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/scien … 022-07-04/

China has stepped up the pace of its space programme in the past decade, with exploration of the moon a focus. China made its first lunar uncrewed landing in 2013 and expects to launch rockets powerful enough to send astronauts to the moon towards the end of this decade.
"We must be very concerned that China is landing on the moon and saying: 'It's ours now and you stay out'," NASA Administrator Bill Nelson told German newspaper Bild in an interview published on Saturday.
The U.S. space agency chief said China's space programme was a military one and that China had stolen ideas and technology from others.
"This is not the first time that the head of the U.S. National Aeronautics and Space Administration has ignored the facts and spoken irresponsibly about China," said Zhao Lijian, a spokesman at the Chinese foreign ministry.
"The U.S. side has constantly constructed a smear campaign against China's normal and reasonable outer space endeavours, and China firmly opposes such irresponsible remarks."

Calliban · 2022-07-05 16:39:28

I don't think China is going to be around long enough to compete with the US on the space frontier. It's achievements are impressive, but ultimately temporary. A decade from now, it will probably be a failed state.

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