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Clark,

Thank you, Thank you

It just shows what I am telling the forum , that the public can't see the benefits out of the space program and we need to advertise those facts or create a TV channel, discussing all aspects of space and space developments, space exploration, planet finding projects and more.

Then the funding will be there , because you will excite the public.

I agree with you on this. We need either or both a NASA Nation Television Station/Private Space Television Station in the United States. Along with posibly clubs for people who are interested in space. That way it would be easier for us to get a crittical mass so we could push for new space mission and generally develop space. We would be able to 50% to 70% of the U.S. Population behind it and that would be enough to do it too.

Larry,

Messianic Prophet, ca. AD 30 :-

Thou hypocrite, cast out first the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote that is in thy brother's eye.

read the fine print, it's infotainment.

I prefer the second version Bill.

"You remember Mark Twain said, 'He looks like a contented Christian with four aces.' I mean he was just sitting there like, 'I'm on top of the world,' " Robertson said on the CNN show, "Paula Zahn Now."

"And I warned him about this war. I had deep misgivings about this war, deep misgivings. And I was trying to say, 'Mr. President, you had better prepare the American people for casualties.' "

Robertson said the president then told him, "Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties."

Bush has a mission (from God!) to secularize all Islam. That threat may well allow them to set aside their internal divisions.

Exactly as bin Laden planned and played for.

Which is what I'm trying to get across, all this terrorism is about getting us to stomp around their lands, an attempt to create that unifying threat. Even if we decide that we'd have been better off absorbing those attacks while they keep trying it doesn't matter now. We went in, we're there. If we deem it a mistake and leave, they get exactly what they wanted. The only other choice is to stick it out. That's how we need to look at this, identifying and correcting our mistakes from a long-term war and culture-building perspective, not a "we screwed up, how do we get out" perspective.

PS - - If we intend to secularize Islam, a Christian fundamentalist is the WRONG person to lead the charge.

I'm inclined to agree, only I have this nagging suspicion that any American President leading the charge will be perceived as a Crusader by the Islamic terrorists. They'd label me as a Christian fundamentalist for Christ's sake.  Unless we get a Muslim President leading the charge the perception will be the same, and even then this hypothetical figure would just be seen as a puppet of the Infidel anyway.

I really wish the Dems had nominated Lieberman. 

President Bush has said that he would "accept" an "Islamic Iraq," according to AP.

If free and open Iraqi elections lead to the seating of a fundamentalist Islamic government, "I will be disappointed. But democracy is democracy," Bush said. "If that’s what the people choose, that’s what the people choose."

Given that Bush has ensconced the Christian right in many of his administration's policies, I suppose we should just check with Iyad Allawi as to whether "if free and open American elections lead to the seating of a fundamentalist Christian government," he would be willing to "accept" that.Really, the president cannot help patronizing the Iraqis. A while ago he talked about them taking off their "training wheels," as though high-powered Iraqi physicists, lawyers and physicians were somehow reduced to little children just because the US has 138,000 troops in their country.

I think it can be fairly argued that the Bush "war on terror" has actually spread Islamic fundamentalism. (Bush coddling of Ariel Sharon's harsh policies in Palestine has also contributed).

I think that it is possible for the Falcon-V to launch people. It is a viable choice of launch vehicle for a small Gemini-sized manned orbital capsule, it can probobly do this... but this is not what we need it to do.

Bigger rockets? He hasn't even flown his little one yet, and the Falcon-V is already using a five-engine cluster for the first stage, he would basicly have to start from scratch.

If Saddam had continued to control Kuwait, 9/11 would not have happened.

bin Laden got angry at the US and the Saudis after they refused to let his Afghan fighters (the ones who fought the Soviets) attempt the liberation of Kuwait.

Oh, so that's it. We hurt his feelings by rolling up the Iraqi army without him.