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I paid you the respect of viewing the video before posting.
Your analysis is shallow.
Has Musk ever hit his initial stated timeline? Mid to late 2030, at the earliest.
Hi louis, I have a special affinity for anyone else that chooses lowercase spellings for their handle. So unpretentious. You're my homie.
Now that you mention it, i should probably do a bit of introspection, then bare my soul to this lot. Show my credentials of why I think what I think, right? I mean, I can't just sit here and say slavery is bad, the holocaust was terrible, and I disapprove of murder without *justifying* my reasoning. Right louis? Tell you what, I'll think about justifying why tolerance and acceptance as a foundational viewpoint is necessary for this discussion if I can somehow rationalize a reason why I would want to debase myself like that.
Here is something to chew on; common sense would dictate that you only ever cross the road when there are no cars coming in either direction. Faith based belief has you cross when a little green light tells you that "everything is going to be okay".
Welcome to the gutter GW! Slumming vacation or are you looking to buy some property here? Word of warning, our Minder is very good about being strict with rules pertaining to profanity. So in essence, your earnest point about "the children" will more than likely be amended because, "the children".
Can you all not see what a wonderful joke that is?
In all seriousness, is a belief that reliance on common sense is a more practical methodology of navigating this world in itself an ideology? Ditch the ideologies and assume the fetal position GW!
Oh goody, Terraformer wants to play sock puppet. I see your proverbs and raise you one bard, "a fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool." Shall we continue with more pithy replies made by others?
Thanks for the elocution lesson SpaceNut. Suffice to say I don't subscribe to your view on language acquisition requirements. I prefer to live and let live, but far be it from me to dissuade you from getting on your soapbox with your like minded friends and loudly proclaim how others ought to communicate if they want to live near you. Since your intended audience are those that don't understand you to begin with, it is rather comical. Like radio ads aimed at the deaf.
I stand corrected Terraformer. All this time I thought you had no sense of humor. You are a funny guy. Such a clown.
kbd, i really can't comprehend why you wouldn't marvel at me. I mean, I just don't get it. Is it the jacket? the hat? my shoe selection? Perhaps the whole ensemble just isn't working together. oh, the mystery! My god man, this is a crisis. I should probably workshop this, maybe do some surveys out to the local community.
Hey SpaceNut, if i ask non-english speakers the questions in English, really loudly and slowly, is that okay? I can walk down the street screaming and hollering at every passerby, "WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS OUTFIT?"
And if and when i get a reply I don't like, I can use my fancy words, preen, and demand that they provide a sound, reasoned, measured response defending their point of view.
There is a moral to my story. There is a metaphor at work here. Did you get it? No, probably not. That's okay. Just know I am here for you. Hugs.
kbd, please excuse me if I overlook the rhetorical questions you pose. Please also accept my rejection of your straw-man argument. I will also suggest that you have a poor grasp of my history here.
I am familiar with verse. I am familiar in the art of constructing a sentence to say something not said aloud. I can read a lie just as well as you and see the two truths behind it. I don't have idea maps. I know what is fundamentally right, and what is fundamentally wrong, just like you.
Terraformer can say some intelligent things, but he is a closet racist. Maybe you are too, I don't know. I'll watch and learn either way.
Remember, this is just text.
He is a sock puppet. Go back to the Space Council for any sense of over arching policy.
So much for Voltaire, eh Cindy? The words of a racist European dead head deserve polite reply?
With time comes sadness.
I often look at problems I cannot solve. I too feel better for saying something about it. Nothing changes.
Somewhere an electron died in this telling. I'm not sure what to tell its family.
i understand it comes from Musk. Friend of a friend kind of deal though, so who knows.
I had a chance to tour the El Segundo facility a couple years back and talk shop with one of the project managers for launches. Musk implemented a software development code check-in/check out methodology for managing the line. Novel. BTW, they burn through their human capital at a significant clip, so I think an unaccounted risk is simply not having people in place to execute.
No argument from me. Just findings ways to be more agreeable with Louis. If you can't beat em, join em.
I'll have to go back to my history books on NERVA since my timeline is off; my overall understanding is that SALT/Outer Space treaty have had a lot to do with limited funding and investment in developing nuclear options for space power. The political will/cost was too great and national interests were better served by limiting development for arms reduction gains.
At this point, anti sat technology has progressed to make much of the non-militarization of space moot. DOD is doing some serious investment in "launch and replace" (which is the point of SpaceX's launch architecture BTW) since most strategists conclude that US space assestswould be wiped out in the opening salvo a real conflict.
okay. sky is blue. tides change. sun rises in the east and sets in the west. musk will put people on mars in 6 years using as yet to be built rocket, on a lander that doesn't exist, in space suits that don't exist, with power systems that don't exist and a return strategy that doesn't exist.
i'm stupidly wrong. i smell too. i am stinky stupid wrong.
$75 million for NPP; program level funding for a variety of projects relating or pertaining to NPP development. We have to prove the technology; theory differs from practical application, right?
We might differ on opinion/perspective, but NERVA was killed due to political considerations relating to the SALT and the Outer Space Treaty. Everyone (competitors and allies alike) gets really nervous when enriched uranium is placed on a rocket.
NERVA may be superior technology, but if political constraints preclude it, we need to need to be pragmatic and support research and development in technology areas that can work around that.
PS. Enjoying your blog.
http://www.parabolicarc.com/2018/03/21/ … lion-nasa/
$75M for NTP.
Check our some of the tech they are investing in; if this proves out and additional funds are allocated, then we can have a higher confidence level in commitments to human to mars plans.
GW, NASA has had a long term target of 2030's for human to Mars for a while now. Various administrations from Bush 1 on have had various iterations of what that meant, but the target window has been pretty consistent.
Musk can get some meat bags orbiting Mars, but boots on the ground and back requires technology and expertise outside of his current vertical. NASA isn't even ready with solutions for the biological challenges inherent in a chemical trip. And if power is solely solar, then there is almost zero margin for error and limited to no science value since duration would be exceedingly short.
Because there is zero commercial advantage.
What's that? A CEO who sells rockets plays up a vision that, by the way, involves selling more of his rockets? His interest in Mars is self-serving; great for Human to Mars advocates as a means to an end, but he is not a serious mars nutter.
If you want to know if NASA or any administration is serious about humans to Mars, monitor their policy and investments in regards to nuclear power in space. Everything else is window dressing.
You guys should know this.
Thanks kbd, looks like we are starting to agree now. You appear to have dropped "space exploration" in lieu of "military and aerospace". As mentioned earlier, computers, the internet, rockets- were developed without the impetus of space exploration. The sad fact is that "space exploration" is and has largely been used as cover pr further military technology development or has benefited from spin-offs from technology development expressly developed for military purposes.
finally, meat.
The supposition that space exploration benefits "everyone" is weak. It doesn't because "everyone" is too broad and provides too many opportunities to disprove the main hypothesis. This is one of the common failures of space enthusiasts when advocating their cause. Space exploration does not benefit everyone. Homeless? Orphans? Those drinking poisoned water in Flint Michigan? People in hospice waiting their final days? Rhetorical questions not meant to be answered but to highlight the absurdity of the initial claim.
Space exploration does not benefit everyone and it is short sighted to try and even make that kind of claim. You show your hand when you make a flippant comment like that.
Whatever percent it does benefit, *Human* space exploration benefits even fewer people. It is debatable what benefit colonizing benefits anyone on earth, at least compared with utilizing the same resources and science to tackle non-space related challenges. Do we see benefits from investments in science and technology? Yes. Are the benefits we have realized from investments in space exploration only obtainable via direct investments in space exploration? Doubtful.
Computers would have developed without space exploration; they were already developed prior to Apollo. The advancements of computing technology is in large part due to the commercialization of the technology, not due to space exploration. Integrated circuits predate the Saturn V, so your point, while sounding pretty, misses the mark. The intertubes and UseTubes all came into existence outside of the need for supporting space exploration.
The honest answer is that space exploration is helpful the same way chasing a cure for cancer is helpful. Or mapping the human genome. Or increasing agricultural yield. Or improving gas mileage. Or solar power conversion rates. Or funding the arts. Some people benefit, some people don't, maybe something good and long lasting results.
Bravo on the choice of paper weights. You should leave a piece of paper in them with the words "Hello world!" as the only text. A fitting greeting for our future robot overlords when they show.
Hey kbd512,
I merely took the time to point out the hypocrisy inherent in your views. You're either comfortable with it, or choose to ignore it through some complicated rationalization of pseudo-intellectual enlightened elitism.
In regards to the origin of computers as we know them, check out our friend Mr. Henry Babbage, he may disagree with your assertion. In regards to our means to connect with one another in this medium, send your thank you to our friends at DARPA. In regards to the rockets themselves, I'm certain Wernher von Braun family would appreciate a shout-out given he and the other liberated german scientists were pivotal in the development of the american space program.
But I digress, because Apollo, without, we surely would be bereft of our beloved Tang.
I appreciated your walk down memory lane.
Anyway, I for one agree with most of your libertarian foundations: live and let live, just don't bother me with it, right? Fear the tyranny of the many and the power of the one?
My way of thinking though is that in the long run, we are all better off creating an environment where the expectation is that we all do our most to support and enable people to live the life they want that does the least to interfere with the life that someone else chooses. Seems to me that our own self-interest is more generally served.
So support the gender bending cross dressing atheist gun hater, and you can demand that they support your wise and forward thinking worldview of humanity reaching out to cross the chasm of space to land and live on a barren rock of rust, in glorified metal coffins surrounded by the harsh vacuum of nothing- because we just can't learn things like that on Earth. See, your self interest is better served by simply taking a broader view.
Funny. A board predicated on having everyone else pay for the daydream fancy of a few with comments deriding the idea of having to pay for someone else's daydream fancy.
kbd512 I salute you with your preference of finger.
If i get censored, i regret nothing.
That is so freaking awesome. I mean nifty. I mean swell. You are a gosh darn super hero SpaceNut. Tireless defender of truth, liberty and safe-spaces everywhere. Won't someone think of the children?! No need. We have you.
Don't get me wrong, I can't help but be impressed with a reply to my post about censorship with an act of censorship. That works on so many levels.
Treat me like a sock-puppet, I don't mind. I'm sure the quality of the dialogue will no doubt improve. What else would you like me to say? How would you like me to say it?
I get you have the unenviable job of applying some baseline of decorum amongst all manner of degenerate who can afford public library computer access or mooches free wifi from the downstairs neighbor. Thanks for taking out the trash. I personally think you may be getting a little too aggressive if you felt the need to modify one sentence because I blasphemed and used a word that offends your sensibility.
Oh, in case you need something to do:
Jes*s ch*ist, we're f**k*ng Americans. Act like you still remember what that is.
The article was from 2015. The subsidies are a red herring; Space-X has passed the critical phase in funding.
National security concerns are more relevant and more likely to curtail Musk's endeavors.