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#151 Re: Human missions » Cyclers first? » 2003-06-17 01:49:02

I'm a thinking an earth-return vehicle could be landed on Mars but that it would only be used in the case of an emergency like missing the window for catching the cycler.  This way there would be no need to build an escape vehicle for each mission provided most of the crews on Mars were successful in docking with the cycler.  It might also be possible to attach cargo to the cycler that would dispatch itself to Mars so that if a crew did miss the cycler they could have enough supplies until the next time it returned.  If the crew is successful getting to the cycler the supplies would just be used for the next crew to land on Mars.

#152 Re: Human missions » Cyclers first? » 2003-06-16 16:44:07

If we want to escape a repeat of the lunar missions, I think your idea has a lot of merit.  Politics would almost demand that a cycler be used and I can't see it being anymore expensive to maintain than the practically worthless ISS.  A Mars cycler would be a good project for the int'l community to engage in after the ISS burns up in the atmosphere.

#153 Re: Human missions » how to sell mars direct » 2003-06-16 02:10:24

I think a private group would have an exceedingly hard time pulling off a manned Mars mission for the simple reason that they probably wouldn't be able to cut through the red tape to build technology like nuclear engines and reactors.  I just don't see governments allowing non-government organizations to use and develop that kind of technology.  I guess a sponsor country could always get the goods together for a private group but why would they bother since they wouldn't really reap the credit for the mission and get no economic benefits out of it?  Personally I'd rather see us spend the money on developing cleaner energy systems and better public transportation systems than spend trillions to fly off to Mars or at least wait until technology develops that would lower the price of a Mars mission substantially.

#154 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Hydrogen bad for the environment? » 2003-06-14 15:42:21

We definately need to produce hydrogen from clean, renewable sources of energy for it to be an environmentally friendly fuel source.  If we burn fossil fuels to produce hydrogen that could actually make air pollution worse as a lot more coal and gas would have to be burned.  I think a lot of the public isn't aware of this though.  They don't realize that plugging their car into a fossil fueled powered house to recharge isn't the way to go.

#155 Re: Human missions » We need to promote the manned Mars trip as ONE WAY » 2003-06-13 21:19:52

With such terrible odds we should just be patient and develop the technology needed to defeat those odds.  That would be the best route in my opinion.  I personally don't see a need to rush humans to Mars.  A one way trip might work from a technical standpoint but I just don't think any of us really understands what we'd be getting ourselves into by sentencing ourselves to life on the red planet.  I remember reading somewhere that life on Mars would be about 100 times worse than living in Antartica and people in Antartica usually are all too happy to return to the "world".

#156 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » cost of space elevator » 2003-06-13 21:14:20

Even though the dangers of technology are usually glamorised all out of proportion I do think we need to have some dialogues about where technology is taking us.  It seems one of the biggest benefactors of nanotech research right now is the Pentagon which I have to be honest scares the hell out of me.  I don't want to see the advancement of technology going in a direction that facilitates oppression of people by governments, corps, or whatever.

#157 Re: Water on Mars » Huge water ice reservoirs found on Mars! » 2003-06-13 21:07:59

I googled olivine and it does appear that there are different strains of it.  It appears there are a number of minerals that are in the "olivine" family according to this site

According to this site Olivine doesn't fare well when it's exposed to the elements as its usually transformed into serpentine in the presence of water.  If we can find a lot of serpentine on Mars would that be an indication that water had come in contact with olivine?

#158 Re: Planetary transportation » Nuclear Suit » 2003-06-13 20:53:53

Is Alexander being sarcastic?  I haven't been around here long enough to judge, but it sounds like he is.  big_smile

#159 Re: Youth Group / Educational Outreach » Degrees/subjects for future Martian colonists - What will I need to know? » 2003-06-13 20:48:56

I don't think it's so much the subject you major in but the type of work you are interested in.  Practically every scientific subject can be applied to space research some how.  Are you interested in producing food in a space environment perhaps or maybe researching ways of building good radiation protection, etc?  You should ask yourself what types of things interest you and how it could apply to spacefaring and then find a relevant degree program from there.  Just my two cents.

#160 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Hydrogen bad for the environment? » 2003-06-13 20:45:15

I pretty much agree with you.  Considering the abundance and relative cleaness of hydrogen compared to fossil fuels I think it would be unwise to get ourselves all worked up against developing hydrogen as a fuel.

#162 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Hydrogen bad for the environment? » 2003-06-12 20:35:07

I guess someone would eventually have to come and rain our parade about an environmentally friendly future powered by hydrogen.  Some Caltech researchers (lost the url) stated an excessive amount of hydrogen leakage into the atmosphere might eat away the ozone layer and also threaten to cool the planet down by creating more atmospheric moisture.  At this point I don't think we have a choice but to develop a hydrogen power economy as there doesn't seem to be any real alternatives.

#163 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » cost of space elevator » 2003-06-12 20:29:40

The big variable here is how much it's going to cost to manufacture the nanotubes needed for the tether.  Right now the price of producing quality nanotubes in quantity is very expensive.  That price will have to come WAY down before the space elevator can hope to compete with rockets.  Hopefully faster and cheaper production techniques can be developed which I'm optimistic they will considering the over all usefulness of cnt materials.

#164 Re: Water on Mars » Huge water ice reservoirs found on Mars! » 2003-06-12 20:21:01

Is it possible that the catastrophic floods were too short to dissolve all the olivines ? or alternatively that the floods actually carved Ganges Chasma, dissolving all olivines present, but also revealing new layers of rocks containing olivine as the flood carved more and more the canyon ?

Is there a possibility that the olivines might have been layed down through volcanic activity or some other geological process after the canyons had been carved out and went dry?

#165 Re: Human missions » We need to promote the manned Mars trip as ONE WAY » 2003-06-12 20:16:07

Sending only a few people on a one way trip to Mars would be the height of cruelty.  Our romantic visions of things and the reality often turn out to be very different.  But if we were to sentence people to living on Mars for the rest of their lives a Mars Direct approach would be out of the question.  Something like this would be a better choice for very long stays at Mars.

#166 Re: Human missions » Non-technical things durning space flight/on Mars - Entertainment and Miscellaneous stuff » 2003-06-12 20:07:14

One way the Mars voyagers could while away the time would be to download a lot of media like movies, video games, books, etc, from Earth (although they couldn't watch these things in real time of course.)  Anyway, considering that astronauts have already spent six months and more in space, I imagine we should already have solutions to the basic hygiene problems.  I think ultimately though the astronauts will just have to accept that they'll be in jail for about two years and that it's going to be boring.  People who need constant entertainment and are easily bored need not apply.

#167 Re: Human missions » Magnetic Field » 2003-06-12 20:00:32

I was just reading today that it might be possible to create very lightweight space craft structures from carbon nanotube composites that would not only shave off a lot of mass, but could also be impregnated with hydrogen to block cosmic rays.  Apparently carbon nanotubes and hydrogen go together like peas and carrots.  smile  The article Super Spaceships Not Far Out has a lot of interesting ideas on features we might find on ships in the not so distant future.

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