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#101 Re: Not So Free Chat » Political Potlock I » 2006-07-10 13:38:32

If the people really believed it they would have elected him anyways. Given the difference between the nutjob in power now and the hopefull but powerless reformist that made up the last administration is night and day, I doubt that is the case.


You are massively under estimating Ahmadinejad. He knows what he is doing. Before he came to power. The Uranium enrichment was frozen and the negogiation was just the EU trying to force Iran to stop trying to make nuclear fuel (there is no evidence that they want the bomb. IAEA hasn't found any evidence yet). The Iranian Youth were getting agigated and wanted reforms  if they revolted they could have toppled the government.


When Ahmadinejad he talked alot of rethorics started the uranium enrichment and had an aggresive forgien policy. What happened? USA BROKE THE DIPLOMATIC BAN THEY HAD  FOR 27 YEARS.  USA/EU/RUSSIA/CHINA ARE OFFERING IRAN INCENTIVES .


Thats a major change.  Iran has been trying to get in the WTO (USA keeps blocking them) and they can go in if they want. The enriched uranium will be given to them. Now thats a major change. The youth have now become more pro-iranian. The popularity of the president is in an all time high.

That is a genius. He is like Hitler. Hitler before he invaded germany. He took back all the german land that was given away by the allies. He didn't invade Rhineland. All he did was have his troops enter riding bicyles during an election year for the french government and on a weekend the government weren't in the house of parilmant. He knew the that a threat of war would be bad for the french government who wanted to be re-elected and he also knew that the by the time the british government were in session. The occupation would have already been accomplished.

#102 Re: Not So Free Chat » Alternative Space ventures - are we on the road to cheaper access » 2006-07-08 17:48:07

I'm not worried has much has you guys are. Infact i say we should have alot of companies come (although not too many of those crazy schemes. We don't need to see the space version of Dot com bubble bursting on us).

We all know it takes money to go to space. That includes researching,implementing and hiring the technical staff with the know how.

We don't need small companies who want to borrow money. What we need is companies like Intel and AMD who will spend millions every year researching how to make the CPU board so small (Last i heard AMD found a way to write on a 30nm boards and since the current boards are 90nm this would be a siganificat speed boost). My CPU that was top of the line 5 years ago isn't even sold anymore because it is obselete.

Thats the kinda future for the space industry. Science isn't enough. Science isn't going to make companies spend billions. NASA might come up with some technology but don't forget. They have a limited budget and when their money guzzlers (Shuttle, ISS) end new one will turn up (Moon Mission). $16 Billion isn't enough. I mean look at the cuts they have made. Good projects like Breakthrough Propulsion Physics Program which survived on less then $1.6M for 7 years (not each year). They made 14 peer-reviewed articles and gained attention by the press for NASA. Those kinda program get cut. If NASA made companies fight aggresively for their contracts like the military do (Two companies are spending alot of money on making their prototype JSF even though only one will get the contract. The other will just end up with the debt).

I was going to write more but it is late at night and i don't think Tea is the best drink to stay awake with. I will hopefully write more tomorrow morning on the subject.

#103 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Looking for space propulsion books » 2006-02-19 10:53:06

Try Centauri Dreams : Imagining and Planning Interstellar Exploration

#104 Re: Not So Free Chat » Race and Culture - A Changing Europe - Opening a mighty can of worms... » 2006-02-16 05:52:39

Hello Stormrage, are you a member of the brittish imperial party, or was it Britons now. I saw a show on PBS about white power moovemnets in Europe, given that Europe is the home land of white people, I can understand why they would want to kick out non europeans meaning colored folk that are non christen. Like islamic peeps. It is only natural for people to want to kick out a invader like Islam is. People in Arfica, Asia felt the same way towards European imperalism.
Also in Europe unlike America they don't have the same right to free speech, they can't say anything that would be found racist, or hurtful towards other races or religens. The USA is more liberal than Europe in that fact, I guess that Europe is not the socialist utopia my liberal professor have made it out to be. In the USA I am free to say what ever want. Lets stay liberal and stop being PC, because calingl each other mean names, is what helps us stay free. Unlike that non liberal Europe where freedom of speech stops at being PC.
Bye the way Muhumed was a silly profit, he should of included that God wants you to party on in the Koran. Because God is hip to party hardy.

profit?

#105 Re: Not So Free Chat » Race and Culture - A Changing Europe - Opening a mighty can of worms... » 2006-02-15 02:17:38

btw what makes you think i believe jews control the media?

*It was a question, not an accusation/insinuation.  I don't know your opinion in that regard, so simply asked.  smile
--Cindy

Oh i thought you were a accusing me of being an extremist. Besides. Only one man controls the media and thats the evil bastard Rupert Murdoch.

#106 Re: Not So Free Chat » Race and Culture - A Changing Europe - Opening a mighty can of worms... » 2006-02-08 02:11:07

Palomar wrote:

Stormrage: 

Saying that the Holocaust never happened can get you arrested and prisioned. Publishing anything that shows Hitler in a good light (even if it's a joke) can be considered anti-semitic thus illegal.

I'm an American and that's not illegal here. 

I'd remind you that Brigette Bardot, the French film actress, has gotten into legal trouble in France more than once for making her private (negative) views about Muslims publically known (exercising her freedom of speech/expression).  So it's not just the Jews/Israelis getting preferential treatment occasionally...

But to reiterate, this particular situation isn't about Jews versus Arabs... unless of course you believe the media are Jewish owned/controlled?

--Cindy


I am not saying Jews get treated preferentially than muslims. The reason why European law protects Jews was because they felt ashamed because of their inaction during the war and some countries even helped the Nazis (e.g. Austria,France). They passed these laws to make sure it never happened. If the Holocaust never happened or happened in some where else like Canda. Jews wouldn't be protected. They would face this "freedom of speech" like Muslims do. The reason why Brigitte Bardot got in trouble was because she encouraged the massacre of civilans in Algeria. Not because she is an islamophobiast. If she simply said that Muslims were such and such then she wouldn't be touched by the law. Europe leaves people like these alone has long has they don't ask for death. Like Theo van gogh. Who is treated like a Hero. Despite his refering to muslims has goat fuckers.

btw what makes you think i believe jews control the media?

#107 Re: Not So Free Chat » Race and Culture - A Changing Europe - Opening a mighty can of worms... » 2006-02-07 13:44:25

Freedom of Speech? 1 word. BULLSHIT. In some european countries. Saying that the Holocaust never happened can get you arrested and prisioned. Publishing anything that shows Hitler in a good light (even if it's a joke) can be considered anti-semitic thus illegal. Now when a cartoon links Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) to terrorism. It's freedom of speech.


Holocaust happened - this is fact. Hitler killed many, we have documents and photos which showed he murdered many gypsies, german and millions of jews. In some Euro nations holocaust denial will mean jail time, in other European countries its ok but people will think you're a bit crazy.

In Europe you may get some fine or jail time for this but at least they don't go around in big religious hooligan mobs lynching people, burning down embassies of the sinners and calling for the killing of other 'infidels' over some stupid cartoon joke. My thoughts - most Religion stinks, the Buddists hurt people in the past, the Isrealis did crap, and at one time Christians used to burn 'witches' but radical nuts in the Islamic world are not a thing of the past, they are alive and well today. The radical cleric on some English news channel actually claiming that an EU citizen should be tried and executed in an Islamic court for portraying a prophet, these zealot protestors have to accept that the whole world isn't under Islamic law, but in British society there were protests where a parent feels free enough to have their child wear a 'I love al-Qaeda' hat,  there were many loony crackpots in London with about 500 demonstrators chanting "Kill, kill Denmark!" and burning that country's flag as they passed the Danish embassy in a march from Regent's Park mosque.

Hey. It's freedom of speech. You can't defend it one minute and then complain about it the next (e.g. the guy wearing sucide vest has a statement of his anger. Not a real one though)

#108 Re: Human missions » RAS says UK should reverse astronaut ban » 2006-02-07 10:45:57

I don't think UK should fund astronauts if they come from military background. I am all for civilian astronauts. I don't want ESA to become like NASA where it is next to impossible to join them has an astronaut if you haven't served the Air Force for 30 years.

Untrue. Many of NASA's astronauts have no military background at all. Take the last Shuttle mission STS-114 for example, the crew were:

Commander Eileen Collins - USAF
Pilot James Kelly - USAF
Mission Specialist Wendy Lawrence - USN

Mission Specialist Soichi Noguchi - civilian (Japan)
Mission Specialist Charles Camarda - civilian
Mission Specialist Steve Robinson - civilian
Mission Specialist Andy Thomas - civilian

Their bios are available here

I considered The Navy and the Air Force to be military. Expect for the Royal Navy (UK). The reason i considred them to be military is because their jobs means they have to go abroad and kill. Same thing the army does.

#109 Re: Not So Free Chat » Race and Culture - A Changing Europe - Opening a mighty can of worms... » 2006-02-07 09:36:17

Freedom of Speech? 1 word. BULLSHIT. In some european countries. Saying that the Holocaust never happened can get you arrested and prisioned. Publishing anything that shows Hitler in a good light (even if it's a joke) can be considered anti-semitic thus illegal. Now when a cartoon links Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) to terrorism. It's freedom of speech.

Europe nowdays reminds me of 1930s. It is an exact parallel to what happened to the Jews. Don't forget.

#110 Re: Human missions » RAS says UK should reverse astronaut ban » 2006-02-05 07:02:20

I don't think UK should fund astronauts if they come from military background. I am all for civilian astronauts. I don't want ESA to become like NASA where it is next to impossible to join them has an astronaut if you haven't served the Air Force for 30 years.

#111 Re: Not So Free Chat » Who would you like to see debating each other? » 2006-01-15 13:39:29

Sounds good

I know but i hated the way she talked. So annoying.

I don’t remember any attempts at commady in Voyager. Certainly not to the extent of stupid jokes in CSI.

I remember. I can remember all the corny jokes Paris kept making. So irritating.

….and this didn’t happen in the next generation as well? I see nothing wrong with inserting historical references into a show.

Yeah TOS,TNG,DS9 and ENT did it. But Voyager took it to another level. Here is a few examples.

B'lenna got made a TV replicated popcorn. They watched some 50s tv show and a war movie. From where? They were 70,000 light years away from Earth and 300 years after the signals were sent.
They created a Cinema with 3-d glasses and gum on the floor.

I wonder why they got all the info about the 20th century. The problem i had wasn't the reference it was the amount and the detail of it. They shouldn't have known that much considering WW3.


Deep space Nine was the worst. In deep space nine they were stuck in a space station. Boring…..In Voyager they were out exploring well, beyond where anyone went before and came across countless more civilizations. Voyager was the best from the exploration aspect. The next generation was the best from the philosophical aspect. Deep space nine was just all around bad. If you want a good show about a space station watch Babylon 5

Blasphemy!!!. DS9 was like the best show ever. Instead of stupid plots that voyager had cough*superatomthatcandestoryspace*cough. It actually detail with realistic space. Politics and drama. Some episodes were boring i will admit and some episode were so stupid you wish you could kill the writer (profit and lace) and it was good. Especially the Dominion War. The set up to it and the way it's self.

Btw about B5. Please. That show is over rated. J. Michael Straczynski is the worst writer i have ever seen. The characters gave me a head ache. Everytime they talked it was a speech. Speech after speech. Thats not real dialogue. Also the CGI was terrible. He should have stuck to minatures which looked better.

#112 Re: Human missions » Spacesuits - personal spaceship » 2006-01-14 21:26:05

Does anyone know how the NASA glove challenge is going on? When was the deadline?

#113 Re: Not So Free Chat » Who would you like to see debating each other? » 2006-01-14 21:19:25

Kirk,Picard and Sisko on why they were better then the others. Not including Janeway because Voyager sucks.

Voyager is the best tongue

Are we talking about the same show? Because the Voyager i rememberd was full  of busty Borg,Stupid jokes and constant reference to the 20th century. With a bit of bad writing here and there.

Deep Space Nine was the best.

#114 Re: Not So Free Chat » Who would you like to see debating each other? » 2006-01-14 21:10:07

Kirk,Picard and Sisko on why they were better then the others. Not including Janeway because Voyager sucks.

#115 Re: Not So Free Chat » Any poets? - Comments, CONSTRUCTIVE critisism, ideas. » 2006-01-14 20:59:34

The Velvet Voyage... poem name courtesy of John Creighton.

Sail with winds that will never fail
On voyage west towards suns farewell,
Where shores unseen wait in the pale
With light beyond the blackened swell,

True star guide with slivered Moon
Through sea foam sky in evening sigh,
Midnight burn with heavenly tune
Where waiting shores of Mars do lie.

On ships of metal, men and hope
Through depths unmeasured towards her coast,
“A dream no more through telescope!”
On waiting shores of Mars we toast.

Journey seen through these dreaming eyes,
Till dreams do sail through empty skies.


This is a great poem. How did you come up with it?

#117 Re: Not So Free Chat » What I Hate About The United States » 2006-01-13 12:28:09

We need to ask ourselves do we want what will be the end result of there vision.

Very true. And we should also ask if the end result will be what they say it will be. For example, Lenin sold the Russian people a vision of a classless society in which they all work for the common good and are equal. But instead they got a brutal dictatorship. Many people have grandiose visions, but I will be very careful in choosing to follow any of them.

It was Stalin who destroyed the dream. The end result with Lenin was good was what he sold.

#118 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Warp Drive » 2006-01-08 14:11:10

When it comes to interstellar travel i am all for it. I have my doubts about this but i wish that it works.

#119 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Solar Sails » 2006-01-08 14:05:37

Lockheed Martin Space Systems was going to working on Mars Telecommunications Orbiter. It was going to be be able to send data at 1 Mbps when mars was at it's futherest and 10-13 at closets. It got cancelled to save money for Hubble and other projects.

If the project went ahead. That would have been one step closer to interstellar communication.

#120 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Solar Sails » 2005-12-31 16:08:53

I don't see the probe happening in the next decade. NASA will be busy, ESA and the Russians are busy to and don't have the budget to deal with it.  The only way i can see it happening is if most parts are reused from other projects. The way ESA did with  Rosetta,Venus Express,Mar Express and ADM-Aeolus. But that only saves about millions not Billions.

#121 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Solar Sails » 2005-12-31 11:54:14

What kinda budget would it take to make a probe like that and the time it will take to make it? 10 - 5 years?

#122 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Solar Sails » 2005-12-28 12:03:45

Well the nearest solar system is Alpha Centauri is 4.36 light years away it will only take 21.8 years at 0.2 C. The mission will last about 45 years which is lower then 70. The half life of Plutonium is 87/88. Thats more then enough for the trip to α Centauri. But getting 0.2 C is really hard so we do need laster longing fuel. Plutonium 239 and Uranium 233 last long enough are they good candidates?
Or we could just bypass the fuel problem by increasing the efficiency. According to  Wikipeida most RTGs have an efficiency of 3-7%. If we can increase it more we will solve the fuel problem  and we can use less of it

By the way we really don't have to worry about Ecowarriors. Yes they will cause a fuss but they can't do much to stop it going. Most people don't give a shit about space. You just have to tell them even in the worst case secnario there won't be anything dangerous.Besides NASA,ESA and othe space agencies are government run not companies who need to keep a good public image.

The computer chips be covered with radiation shielding polyethylene.

Plastic is an appealing alternative: Compared to aluminium, polyethylene is 50% better at shielding solar flares and 15% better for cosmic rays.
That's how Shielding Project researcher Raj Kaul, working together with Barghouty, came to invent RXF1. RXF1 is remarkably strong and light: it has 3 times the tensile strength of aluminium, yet is 2.6 times lighter - impressive even by aerospace standards.

"Since it is a ballistic shield, it also deflects micrometeorites," says Kaul, who had previously worked with similar materials in developing helicopter armor. "Since it's a fabric, it can be draped around molds and shaped into specific spacecraft components." And because it's derived from polyethylene, it's an excellent radiation shield as well.
Some "galactic cosmic rays are so energetic that no reasonable amount of shielding can stop them," cautions Frank Cucinotta, NASA's Chief Radiation Health Officer. "All materials have this problem, including polyethylene."


They've already started preaching against fusion!

Here is a qoute from Men In Black that describes Human beings.

A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky.

#123 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Solar Sails » 2005-12-27 10:03:30

The computers and electronic subsystems already don't take up much mass and aren't really the problem. The real killers are the rest of the vehicle...

-the structure its built out of
-transmitter capable of interstellar communications
-gyroscopes/fuel for effecting attitude control
-the real biggie: enough power for ~50 years of operation
-particle impact shield for the probe chassis

...And everything built sturdy enough enough to resist 40 years of C-fractional cruise, the early and late part of which has to go through the Ort Cloud of Sol and the target star system.

A new breed of RTG generator or a highly "storable" superlight nuclear fission plant, neither of which will be light weight, would be a must since regular RTGs don't have that kind of service life.

I also bet that regular radio transmission will be too slow, and an interstellar probe would need a laser transmitter, which is itself going to be heavy and power hungry.

The sail can be made out of Carbon fibres. They are apparently 200 times thicker then normal sail material but due to it's porous nature weighs the same. This will probably stop it from tearing so easily.
About the transmitter why can't we send another probe that will leave bits of it's self that act like a communication array.

JPL made have a website about interstellar probe. All they need it to go is 200 to 400 AU at the rate of 14 AU/yr.

A new breed of RTG generator or a highly "storable" superlight nuclear fission plant, neither of which will be light weight, would be a must since regular RTGs don't have that kind of service life.

I don't get this one. I thought a solar sail just had to unfurl near the sun and it would be going at a high speed and accelerating at 1 millimeter per second per second. So and RTG wouldn't be needed (besides the protestors would ruin suck out all the fun).

Edit: I forgot the JPL/NASA site
http://interstellar.jpl.nasa.gov/

#124 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Solar Sails » 2005-12-24 11:16:55

I was just thinking about them i thought about something. Solar Sails are useless. They probably won't be able to carry humans or cargo but there is a good use for them. Intestallar probes like Voyager 1 and 2 (can they actually be called intestallar since they are close to leaving the solar system?).

Computer technology has evolved a thousand times since the 70s. We can get powerful computers in small sizes. This means we can get more detailed information from them then can ever get from Voyager 1 and 2. Also they would exit the solar system way faster. We would have to send two though. The first one would leave behind pieces of it's self at certain points that would receive signals from the second sail enhance it and send it back to earth.

By the way The Planetary Society are trying again with their Solar Sail. I hope it works. They just need $4 million now.

http://www.planetary.org/programs/proje … 51202.html

#125 Re: Human missions » The EU/Russian Minishuttle: The Clipper » 2005-12-23 15:34:44

Ah ha, so the Russians tried to get the Europeans to subsidize their space tourism business

I'm sure the Russians don't think the Europeans and the Japanese are that stupid. If they did want to use it for tourism they would probably share it the profit. Besides i doubt it has anything to do with that. ESA with it's small budget would have jumped at a chance to get extra money.

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