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I suspect that what CobraCommander did was to simply take a hostile nations vessel. This is perfectly reasonable thing to do. If he was also to get a letter of marque and use that vessel against the commonwealth again a perfectly legal thing to do..why
According to the declaration of Paris many countries declared they would no longer use letters of Marque and reprisal. The USA was not a signitory but it did sign up to the London naval treaty that also stopped there use on the Earths oceans.
But as stated space is not an Ocean and the USA may fairly do this, to the Commonwealths detriment.
Add that the Commonwealth is a slave transporter and maker and it becomes every countries duty to stop and sieze there vessels and in what is a police action take over by force if necassary the illegal settlements and structures that form the Commonwealth.
Im sorry srmeaney but this Commonwealth of yours is anything but. Your description is of a state that owns everything including the people that are coerced into it and certain basic rights are simply refused. If you stand up to it your are imprisoned in a lunar hell hole and or simply attacked by military forces. It frankly sounds like a Feudilistic Oligarchy where the leaders own the population as slaves or more closely Techno SERFS.
I would not ever join such an evil empire nor would I let it be created and frankly nor would my country. We would like many countries join together to destroy such an organisation and as this would happen very early in its makeup we would win.
Criminal : Srmeaney
Crime : Concerned in Slavery, Murder, Treason, War Crimes, Genocide
Sentence: Life Imprisonment imposed by world tribunal for war crimes
No what it means is In Situ Resource Utilisation it does not mean we do not use materials we find to improve conditions for people. We are already using asteroidal impact materials as our main source of PGMs and it follows we will go to the source to get more that we need. And using materials from where we go to expand capacity makes real sense as well as fiscal sense too.
And with a planetary population in the 7 Billions and going up and well over half living in poor conditions how do you propose that we get the resources we need to get this population up to decent living conditions never mind the standard the western world now has.
We face many problems on this planet and one of the biggest is we need energy and we are running short of it. Our main sources of Energy on this world also have nasty side effects which pose a hazard to civilisation. Using space resources relieves this pressure and gets us onto a lot more enviromentally friendly course, which frankly benefits everyone.
The goal of science is to improve Human life to give us more of an understanding of ourselves or our surroundings and to improve our capacity to expand.
We have expanded right across this planet it is time we moved on and go to the final fronteir and science will be our tool to do it. It is not the goal of expansion to do science but to help us expand
Yes it does. I don't think that robots will ever be good enough to operate a mining base on their own. They just aren't that good.
As stated they will not be operating on there own they will be operated by people from rather comfortable offices here on Earth. That is the beauty of telerobotics and with a time delay of 3 seconds it is perfectly feasible to function with this system. If we can operate on human beings by telerobotic surgeons by this method we can certainly move Regolith. And we have telerobotic soil movers here and in use.
Speaking of gravity, lifting the soil off the ground won't be near as hard as Earth.
What we have found in the apollo missions is that the first 15cm of regolith is very loose but also with a tendency to be charged. After that the regolith is compacted and with the down force of just astronauts to try to shift it it was found to be very diificult, Downforce in low gee is the problem. But with machinery set for the purpose and using different techniques other than down force it is easier to shift. Add in the use of compressed oxygen in replacement of explosives and Regolith shifting is a lot lot easier. We can even consider the use of charged Regolith to actually strengthen the machinery we use to mine.
But it does not mean it has to be a permanent human prescence. If we can get Telerobotics to do what we need to do on the Moon till the state that sending Humans to a fully functional base what is the problem.
Especially if we can use telerobotics to create the Industry we need and use people to overseer the construction instead of using them as the workers we let robots do it. This solves a lot of problems that the Moon has like the lower gravity and no atmosphere protection, while still allowing a prodigous construction rate and utilisation of lunar materials.
Either that or a structural representation of an asteroid impact
or it was a lake that has dried and slowly formed such a structure
The continued Beagle 2 saga now that is a total C###up
It was an impromptu meeting and it was Firmly kept off the records.
"So, have we all been recieving these offers from Earth" Noted Dr Gryphon. With the lack of of negatives around the chamber it had to be taken as read. "So now what do we do, do we as offered make lots of money by developing and informing this corporation of these products? or do we keep our integrity"
It was Richards who first brought up the idea of another course. "Look Doc, we are surrounded by Earth first types and frankly Barklay is as military as they get. If we dont choose to go with those corporations then we have to strike out on our own"
Science Notes, 11th May, 2103 RESTRICTED ACCESS PERSONAL CODE
Well we are in a jam we seem to be pressured from Earth to do this research or release this product. Its the distance and these corporations desire to allow unfettered research away from the press of Earth and with a way to have a means to say it was not us it must have been those Martian lunatics......Instant deniability.
Great and the worse part is that there is likely to be a few "Company" enforcers amongst the colonists. Of course the science team are amongst the most brilliant group of people ever to be assembled but they are also to a degree very self centered. Actually with the "requests" they have been getting it is the first time I have ever seem them so focused.
So what do we do, I really could do with options here.
Your blind ignorance surpasses that of Mr Bush himself. And I am astonished.
You've all been swindled...
Ah an edit but it still beggars the question in what way have we been swindled.
At the moment we have a space program which is pouring funds into a white elephant space station and we are as noted not leaving LEO.
If we where an Alphabet we would be at ABC where as we want to be XYZ. But going to the Moon will give us a lot more letters in between.
Your blind ignorance surpasses that of Mr Bush himself. And I am astonished.
And what do you mean by that...
Then we put out clothes which are resistant to Uv and those should be relatively easy to make and the UV would help with killing the germs
You should be able to Google the words for a chemical formula. Feldspar comes in three end types: calcium, sodium, and potassium feldspars. Some feldspars are a mix of two of the three (sodium grades into potassium because they are both +1 valence; sodium grades into calcium because they're of similar size and fit the same crystal structure; but calcium and potassium do not grade into each other). Calcium feldspar is commn on the moon but not so much on the Earth, it tends to be dark in color.
-- RobS
But there is a lot more to the Moon than just materials similar to those we have. the Mineral Kreep which is a radioactive is an example which we could well use and more importantly the way the Moon is. In this case not necassarily a solid but with all the impacts the regolith is a loose collection of rocks which seem to be slightly more compressed about 50cm into the "ground"
It means mining on the Moon may well be different than on Earth but also may well be easier.
I would support a telescopic array on the dark side of the moon but I am afraid that we won't get to it for another 50-100 years. That means a human mission to mars is even farther away.
Everything pales in significance when compared to the search for life on other planets and the chance for humans to terraform mars.
Everything.
Why must it take as long as that dook, A space telescope can be put down by telerobotic rovers easily enough and fabricated on Earth. Actually to make the best type we will need about 10 of the same type, 9 to do the job and 1 spare.
Why is finding life so important. For a Scientist it is but the general public will be ecstatic for a day or two but after that it will be a case of oh bacteria on Mars ok, whats the football score. This is what happened to the appollo programme it became a non event for the public, it did not involve them you see.
But when we build a base on the Moon and use it to start supplying the Earth with what it lacks then it becomes a different matter this touches people personally every day they are involved. And after the Initial base becomes larger and we have a permanent manned prescence on the Moon and space then it may mean there children can become astronauts.
And the Moon can become what we need which is a source of Helium 3 for fusion and more importantly platinum group metals which we desperatly need down here. Add to this that we can use lunar material to increase our capacity in space then going to the Moon will do one thing for you it will give us Mars sooner rather than later. Even if it is just to give us the confidence to try.
Then again if you want to kill bacteria etc that cause clothing to stink simply put it in a cage and put it outside for a day. The heavy radiation that both Mars and the Moon recieve will kill all such bacteria.
*Hi Grypd. I saw an article similar to this one at Yahoo! news a week or two ago.
The United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization has recently backed this view, having changed its distribution map for the species. This suggests its range could extend as far north as Scotland.
Then this means great white sharks could swim into the huge lochs you have in Scotland? Isn't the upper portion of Scotland nearly cleaved from the remainder by a huge expanse of water connected immediately to the ocean? I've seen maps of Scotland, but not sure how precisely detailed those maps were.
Just wondering. Maybe "Nessie" will eat the sharks...LOL.
:;):
--Cindy
Hmmm would not surprise me then again I have been on a submarine at the bottom of Loch ness and frankly could not see a thing. The bottom is covered with trees that have been there since just after the last ice age and with the Loch never really changing tempature and the water peat laden and deep we could really loose a whole family of Nessies. Add the cave systems that are thought to exist and well.....
But for the great Whites it seems they find the warmer waters of the North sea to be preferable and these great whites come from the Mediterranean and travel up through the straights of Gibraltar up the coast of Spain and France and enter the North Sea by way of the English channel. And with the large seal and bird populations there is plenty for them to eat. They seem to be attracted to the Moray Firth which has good conditions for meat eaters there is a permanent colony of Dolphins there.
Yes, the moon is easier because it is closer. Greenland is closer to Spain (and it had been explored before), so why didn't Columbus go there instead? It would have been a lot quicker. And settlement would have been easier to maintain from England...
Columbus frankly got LOST that is why he did what he did he wanted to go to India and China and someone stuck a continent in his way. But the vikings went the other way they explored greenland before vineland. And there was a large amounts of politics involved too like Spain having a large blooded army that after finishing the Arab domination of the Spanish mainland was looking for something to do. And conquest of the Americas sort of looked like a good idea.
Don't you see? It's pointless; hopeless. Your wishfull thinking will destroy any chance we have of doing something which may actually be useful, ie contributing to real science
So what do you call science. Science is a very broad description, Going to the Moon and being able to utilise resources there is called material science. Going and creating a means to eat food that can grow within the 14 day lunar day is biology. Building a lunar observatory that can actually look in depth at worlds circling distant stars is astronomy. And of course just getting to the Moon and actually doing things is Physics. Add that our observation of the Moon may be the only way to tell us how the Earth was formed is that not geology. But what is most important about going to the Moon is that as we learn and develop the earths satelite we get to learn new things so that we can then use them on the Earth.
Bloody hell people! This isn't about long-term possibilities, this is about NASA's actual short-term ability and agenda. We will not going to the moon in the near-term to extract any useful resource, period.
Sorry but that is not true, just to contemplate a return to the Moon is to envisage a long term approach to Earths Moon and we do plan to use resources pretty much as soon as we go in that we want to crack Oxygen out of the rocks. Initial missions will scale up in what is called the spiral process and with each spiral giving more capability. But what is important to mention it is all based on an ISRU approach in that we utilise the Moons resources immediately. Looking for water in the cold traps is an important search for a strategic resource that would ease base construction and permanent prescence on the Moon. We envisage using lunar materials to increase the power capability on the Moon and that is also a strategic resource that we need to maintain a foothold on another planet.
Im sorry Dook but what the Moon missions where have got a name they where Flag and footprints. We simply visited we did not really learn as much as we needed and that is why the Moon is back on the agenda.
We need to go back and learn all that we did not the first time, we need to learn to be able to stay. Just going to Mars is not enough we must go to stay and it we need to get to the Moon just so we know the questions to ask of Mars.
The fact is that we have to be able to use the materials that are present on the Moon and we are not even too sure what materials are present as we did not do enough of a job the first time. The bounding gaps in our knowledge are astounding and it is unfortunate that for all intents we have had a hiatus in our learning. We have done a lot with our limited samples but we need to go back to finish the job and learn not about the Moon but in what created our Earth in the first place and even better how likely is there to be other worlds in the universe like Earth and just how likely life is to be.
Not to mention that on the Moon we have the materials present to expand our space industry to actually allow us to begin to become a multi world species. So in effect we use the Moon as or factory.
That is why we go to the Moon first. Because we can and because we need to.
Though often reported by fisherman in the past Great White sharks have become more and more commenly reported off British waters.
We have proof of there feeding I have actually seen the carcass of a dolphin which had been half devoured on a beach near Nairn but they have never been caught on film yet though witnessed by a lot of people. They even have been reported as far north as Wick and it is likely the seal population that is attracting them and the warmer water too.
Oh and there has not been a shark attack reported in historical times in the UK.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news … e.html]Old National Geographic article
One of these days we will actually film one but it gives a bit of an air of excitement to the seas does it not. :laugh:
The quake that occured in Indonesia did not create a Tsunami luckily as it was we believe a sideways movement Earthquake rather than a vertical one that caused the Boxing day event. What was good for everyone was to see how fast the message got across even without a proper tsunami detection and warning system. The beaches and coasts around the bay of bengal etc where cleared very quickly especially Thailand. The loss of life was due to it happening past midnight local time and a lot of people where killed in there own bedrooms.
But what is even more interesting is that the Earthquake was expected we knew it was going to happen we just could not know the exact date. The trouble is that we believe that there will be another sooner rather than later. And this one may cause the water movement that we fear.
It is not surprising that this has come about. The usage of space is important to all countries and many rely exclusively on satelites for telecomunications and for ground observation. The power to stop a country using satelites is one of the most important powers a military can do.
But the ability to fight wars in space will only increase as the years go on and the USA simply wants to be ahead of the game when it becomes critical to do so. But there is a downside is that it could prompt what is an arms race for space and this has problems with it. It was the tensions between Britain and Germany that lead to the dreadnought building race that eventually helped lead to the first world war.
And if a country has less conventional space weapons that kill satelites and is loosing any war to destroy each others eyes and ears then the temptation will be to use Nuclear weapons to do large area kills by EMP. And this could trigger a nuclear exchange.
There has been another quake off sumatra this one 8.7 richter scale
It was of one of the other stress fault lines that have had pressure increased since 26/12/2004 and was a shallow event about 19 miles below the surface. It did register as a possible another Tsunami event but it appears luckily enough that no such event has so occured.
What it did do to Indonesia was to collapse buildings and do further damage to the already stressed damaged structures. There is no count of the dead yet and there will be casualties.
edit It was just off the province of Aceh, and still no word of any Tsunami
But Japan has a large amount of National Pride in the persuit of space but like NASA, JAXA is involved in more than just space rockets. It could easily afford a decent manned space drive and this with a broad public support especially if it was thought they where racing the Chinese.
And Japan is very worried about the Chinese even to the fact it has just increased the spending on its armed forces by almost 5% this year.
Considering they (the U.N.) will be lending the Commonwealth the money to colonize space, I'd say that it will come with strings attatched, don't you?
So, unless the security council nations are planning to extend their little military dictatorship to controlling and governing other nations, I'd say you're going to be as much of a minority point of view in space as you are on earth.
or if you prefer the cowboy version:
"They have us surrounded Tonto!"
"Which us would that be?"
You are assuming that we still have a UN in 20 years and the way things are going this is a very unlikely event.
But we may have some authority that does control Mars or the Moon. If it is something like a port Authority it can raise funds and issue contracts on its own to develop its area of authority. And as it is really just a development authority then it does not bring with it all the problems of citizenship issues. It has only one purpose and that is to develop the area of its concern it also has a set of strict quidelines that say what it is concerned with. And since it can raise its own funds and issue bonds it can get funds.
But for us to create an overgoverment that controls all outside the atmosphere im sorry to say it just will not happen. It certainly would not be voted in by people who would have to vote it in. And there is no one with the power to have it just imposed or even if it was it would simply be considered powerless.
Science Notes, 9th May, 2103
Richards who was on the monitors cried out "whoooagh", attracting everyones attention. "What happened, I cried seeing the seismic detectors on Milipede 3". It seems that group 2 just set off an explosion and a large one at that" noted Richards. "Great, what is it with this planet everyone seems to like explosives...Then again!!!" As more Data begun to arrive "That explosion it appears to have been a seismic event".
The Milipedes are proving to be a perfect scientific device and it suits that we can observe without causing interference and getting involved in the troubles that Mars has. And this suits us to be left alone. Another advantage is that we have found that the laboratory we are in is in a stand alone cave so we wont be bothered by the groups which are hunting each other.
Power has been a problem but we have now enough Eddison effect generators to power the 3D printer and we are focusing on making the components to have another fusion generator built the first made of native materials here on Mars.