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Why would a foreign investor believe the Goverment of the USA.

Currently the Dollar is going down in value to most other currencies as people equate the USA as a faltering economy. If under your plan in the future you really have no control to do what you plan as it is the world in general that actually values the Dollar and if you do things which the world does not like you will get stung as in the Dollar becomes increasingly worthless

They have value to the people who use them and rely on them to finance there buisness or to buy the fertiliser they need to grow there crops in the hope the harvest is great and the prices go up. Most trading of derivatives is based on this.

Definition of credit = It is a financial term that refers to the granting of a loan and creation of debt.

So the USA Goverment creates this credit where does the money come from. Who invests in the USA to do this, You are creating an imaginery fund pot that is supposed to provide money if not then you are expecting people to invest in the USA to create this fund what surety do you give them and what if you default. You are creating a situation where the goverment simply prints money to pay for something and that causes only one thing devaluation of that currency.

Thats easy its due to you never answering me, where does the money come from. Simple question, one you avoid.

Of course you could do this by saying that the USA would become like a bank and loan money to pay for construction of those things you want but then the Goverment would be paid back by those companies and those comapanies would own what they build and the right to charge what they like to use them. So in effect a privatising issue. Of course to spend trillions would basically result in no money in the USA Goverment to spend on anything else.

Remember what the Goverment has to spend is what it gets in taxes and earnings like issueing licences etc to do things. Spend more than this and your country is in deficit and it borrows money to pay for this with the intention to pay it back. As a countries debt grows through poor fiscal management then more and more of its money goes to servicing that debt. This is what is happening to the third world countries do you think they would love to be able to turn around and say we no longer have a debt we actually have X amount to spend each year just by say so.

OPEC does not have a monopoly on the production of Oil it is very powerful but it cannot control the prices rising as they have. Due to the factors now prevalent and this is unlike what occured in the past.

Actually, the last time OPEC and the USA tangled the USA came out worst and it was definitly a victory for OPEC. Epecially when OPEC managed to get the world to start paying 10 times more for its product and to gain a lot of respect and money.

This was in 1973 and resulted in the devalueing of the Dollar mass unemployment, national speed limits of 55mph and even in the USA having to change its clocks...

But OPEC is powerless to stop prices rising at the moment as it has zero spare capacity to pump oil as the demand for it is so great and the demand is not likely to fall greatly with the end of winter for the northern hemisphere. There are few places that have spare capacity to pump Oil and those are due to the inefficiency to do so. One of these is Russia and it is hiring a lot of people to get its inefficient backward oil system up to scratch and this hiring has increased in the recent months.

You still have to answer me what would you base this credit on and who would value it. A Dollar is only as worth as much as the economic community think it is and this value is given at what the international community believe is the strength of the American economy. And the use and trading of derivatives gives a lot of this value by trading on what the Dollar will be worth.

Derivatives are based on something and Bonds are a good example who would buy a bond if it was not for the derivatives market. Actually no one. Derivatives are needed to finance and give interest to a bond otherwise they are a loan that has to be paid back by a goverment somehow and if you generate credit you will be coughing it back to the investors.

The derivatives are a means to an end do they need to be better regulised yes but if there was to be too much that it would seriously impose on them then our whole planets economy would suffer.

So you realise that it is the basic system of international and goverment buisness. Credit allows a company with a good rating to borrow to buy what it needs and then repay later when its money comes in. Without such a fluidic system a company would have to wait until it actually had its profit set down and could not take advantage of a good deal when it finds one.

So how do people make money on something that will now have a set rate and will be worth less due to inflation than it was purchased on. This is what the derivative trade uses as one of its main items that shares and bonds will go up in value as people wish to purchase them. If they cannot be traded against then what use are they. So why buy them.

So letting civil servants basically run the show and a red tape heaven it would be too. And what could they invest in. That is how banks make money so they can pay interest, so getting customers to put there money in. Some pet senators project. That is certain to happen and with a likehood of 100% till the point it becomes the norm. It will start with a good cause till it is a vote buying standard. And all the time people will stop investing in anything belonging to the USA.

So What you really are saying is to default on all those bonds and debts owned by banks and goverments outside the USA. And remember this what is a Dollar worth, There are more dollars in circulation than what was called the gold standard actually represents. And the Gold in Fort Knox is actually nothing like pure. A Dollar is only worth as much as the world believes it to be. If the USA decides then to show the fiscal stupidity of defaulting on all those bonds then it would get stung when people treat the Dollar as a worthless currency. To generate credit you must have something to base that credit on. Dont say the word of the USA it has already by defaulting proved to have none. So all this credit you now state you have would be worthless and it would be based on a dollar that is basically worthless and in a country in hyper inflation.

Sorry, had enough writing this down. As stated where would this credit come form what would it be based upon and who would buy it. And with a country where the Dollar is now worth about parity with the afghanistan Affra just try buying something or paying out wages. ( the Affra is worth 48 Affras to one Dollar). You would find that a lot of what was once American owned would now be foreign owned and like what occured to the USSR a case where the goverment and state authorities could not pay its employees or even garauntee food transportation.

We live in a world Larry where we are so interconnected that there is little room for grand economic experiments and our financial markets are what has been created over the centuries to the point we are pretty stuck with them here on Earth. One of the reasons I want to go to space is that we now have a place where we can try a different economy one which is more natural and better for people. But on Earth we cannot do it without highly possibly cripling ourselves. And having a lunar and asteroid and Mars economies trading with each other would make the Earth change itself especially if we went out of our way to ensure that we in space made sure we did it right in the firstplace.

What we have is an ISS in the wrong orbit for use as a waystation to the Moon or further. This was done so the Russians could get on board this was a political decision and it . It was also political decisions that made the ISS into the not very useful plan it is now and with each redesign it becomes more nad more a financial mistake. What we also seem to have is an unfinished ISS that may not survive until the shuttles replacement can fly it is a creaking, power failing, No stability, Poor enviromentals mess. And im not actually sure what real science potential it has.

The Shuttle was another example of politics over sense the shuttle was designed the way it was to meet everyones needs. It went rapidly over budget from the almost completely reusable design first envisioned and with each redesign more nad more weight was put on. The original shuttle would have been a lot smaller man only no cargo vehicle that would have paved the way to cheaper flight. It would have been a lot safer as it would have not had the solid rocket boosters which Von Braun noted should never be used to transport people. It would have had the actual shuttle located on the top of the rocket and its very vulnerable heat shield well protected from debris. Even the Airforce one of the reasons it cost overan and piled the pounds on pulled out when they saw the monster it was becoming.

In the early 70s the USA could have had a small reusable shuttle for launching crew and a variety of cargo launch rockets to transport cargo. This would have kept the mighty Saturns and they would have been improved on. Space access would have been cheaper and the Moon would already have a base on it.

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What you are asking to do is all the bonds that are held will be defaulted. It is hardly in the trillions of dollars but it is Billions. And a very good percentage of this is held by various international banks of which the US goverment has borrowed money from and has given these bonds to as collateral. With a lot of Dollars being held as foreign currency reserves in various countries as well. Let me tell you what will happen if some idiot ever decided that they could do it.

1) Defaulting these bonds and loans would instantly make the banks holding these loans to loose all the money they have lended in good faith. Many may well collapse and it would certainly result in a monetary crisis the world has never seen. Many goverments would have to bail these banks out and it would hurt when the world went into a recession that has never been seen not even in the likes of the wall street crash.

2) The various countries holding Dollars would dump them as they would be weakened it would only take some itchy financial advisor to start it or even a computer currency market. Some countries would love to do this China would, it would basically make the dollar worthless.

3) America would find itself incapable of buying anything outside the USA unless it pays in money other than the now hyperinflationing Dollar. Electricity, Oil, Materials would all stop as they could not be purchased.

4) With this a lot of people will become unemployed the goverment will be unable to pay its employees (this happened to the USSR) Hyperinflation would basically mean that barter was the real means of purchase for the averadge citizen. There would be no water or lights, Heating would be provided by burning what you can.

5) American property would be seized outside the USA as compensation by those goverments at the actions of the USA, it would be done to alleviate the problems these goverments have after the reckless action of the USA. Worst would be that as the United States goverment has really little property outside the USA it would be American firms that would be in effect all nationalised. These corporations in the USA would recieve no compensation and even the biggest would likely collapse or have to "downsize drastically"

6) Since it is friendly goverments to the USA that really have the banks that would be defaulted against and that it is friendly goverments that have large American owned buisnesses in it the USA would quickly find itself with few friends even the staunchest ally would not forgive the USA for its actions.

This is just a taste of what it means to default on those loans and bonds. It would be inexcusable for this to happen and for the American people it would be a disaster if not for the world. Certainly it would knock the western world out of its premier spot on this planet.

The concentrating of the Oxygen could be done by pumping it to one of the permanently black areas of the Lunar poles and allow it to cool to form an ice. This also solves the storage problems.

When it is required for Fuel etc it can then be heated up and pumped back. And as these poles are a prime science and resource target then it is probable that many missions will go there and we can use it as our foothold and staging areas.

You scare me Cindy, especially right now.

Do you really know what the Thirty years war was. It was a single family falling out. The trouble was was the family where the Hapsburgs and they provided the royal line for Germany, The Nertherlands, Austria and most importantly Spain. Spain at the time was the great waining power and it had been fighting in the Netherlands since it revolted.

Add in Religous intoleration, Feeble monarchs and greedy and treachorous local lords. France under a weak king but very powerful Cardinal feeling squeezed. A major new power forming in Scandinavia, Sweden and a whole crazed patchwork country still for all intents mostly filled with peasant serfs. Religion was involved but then again religion was allways involved until the twentieth century and you had a powder keg.

What the peace at westphalia really was was the peace of exhaustion and that was what all the sides where. It also provided a very well trained force of officers to really kick off the first stirrings of democracy over Monarchs in what was called the English civil war.

There has been more to nationhood than just the westphalian peace treaty. What westphalian did was to really acknowledge the status quo. The holy Roman Empire still remained a country dominated by local princes and this did lead to its dissolvement simply as it had no real power central power. And that 30 years war for all its horror was a manipulated war with almost all other European powers playing and manipulating events, The tensions where there before its just the other countries used what is Germany to play it out.

What really described modern states is the loss of power of the local lords to a drive to a more centralised power and an eventual lead to democracy from monarchism and an enfranchisement of the populace.

And the main players in the thirty year wars where countries we can easily recognise in existence now, this was correct before the War and afterwards.

That is the problem the commonwealth is so hateful that it considers everyone who works or has been transported by it as property and as such as serfs.

Needless to say the rest of the world will treat the Commenwealth as a really evil organisation and as such one to be destroyed. You count me as a non citizen I take this as a recomendation especially to the Evil the Commenwealth espouses.

So we will break such a creation for we are sensible and you may call me a terrorist but Im only doing what the rest of the world espouses and if I have a letter of Marque let the commonwealth beware..........