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#76 Re: Human missions » It's Official the Moon is not the Future of Colonization » 2006-10-24 07:37:49
The only advantage i see with the moon is that it is closer then Mars.
#77 Re: Not So Free Chat » Bow Down Before Iran? » 2006-10-15 19:09:19
wow what cute animal. To bad that chimps are a vicious cannibalistic animal that tear their prey into pieces while it is still alive.
#78 Re: Not So Free Chat » Not Forgiven - The Taliban » 2006-10-15 19:06:40
Many 18 year olds think that, and as they grow older and wiser, other 18 years olds who take thei place think the same thing. Much of what you have learned was in school and by reading books in history class. You learned about the Iranian hostage crisis from a history textbook, I actually live those years, I saw each news show, the video tapes of the blindfolded hostages and their captors day-by-day as it happened. I think I learned that particular episode better than you could of through a high school history book. When you live through history, you learn it very well.
It won't work, it was tried by President Jimmy Carter, and I remember Jimmy's noninterference policy, and that resulted in the Iranian Hostage crisis, and it drove him out of office. When you a first world super power, you have to interfere. We learned that with the rise of Nazi Germany. The world we want to shape is one that's friendly to democracy, this policy doesn't always make us popular with other countries, but it is necessary to prevent resort to World War III.
First of all i don't learn from school text books. I use History books,Internet and Tv documentary. Do you know what i also have? The ability of hindsight. While you were sitting there watching the hostage crisis. Did you know how much Carter supported the Shah? He didn't leave the middle east like you said.
Procrastinate then? Kick the can down the road and let the menace get bigger until you can no longer ignore it and dealing with it becomes costlier. You need to experience life more, rather than get it second hand through textbooks and the author's opinion about what is. You need time to form your own opinion as does every 18 year old. I do not hold the same opinions I did when I was 18 years old, and I don't expect you to do so either.
It is not your country. It is not your land. Neither is it in your continent. Amazing how you haven't learned from the disasters in South America.
Oh poor innocent Lebanon, they didn't seem to mind Hezbollah occupying their country and ruling part of it without their permission, and they did not try to assert control either, but when the "Dirty Jews" defended themselves from attacks and occupied the parts of the country Hezbollah held, suddenly they were outraged by foreigners on their soil, soil they did not govern or contest with Hezbollah for. The government of Lebannon was responsible for that attack on Israel and the kidnapping of the Israeli soldiers, this after Israel gives up land to the Palestinians. That you would so quickly swallow this slick Arabist propaganda just shows how young and naive you are. not that I blame you, many 18 years olds are this way, they learn with time, but by that time they are no longer 18 years old.
You make me sick.
Since Great Britian used cluster bombs to help win World War II, they have no place criticising the Israelis from using cluster bombs as well.
Using it in the last 3 days when Israel knew that it had to leave. Using it in farm lands where children are at risks?
Man i just wonder. Destroying two buildings in USA is a global outrage. Killing people in Lebanon is just a strategy. 
Reagan had a Cold War to fight, the Soviets were a real menace and he also had to defend Europe and your country too. We don't want to mess with the middle east, we gain no benefits from doing so other than preventing bad things from happening. We pay alot of money out for expensive imported oil, and that is a major proportion of our trade deficit this year. We are basically preventing bad from becoming worse, not reaping benefits and cheap oil from our involvement.
More bullshit. There was friendly relations with China. Treaties had been signed with the Soviet Union to reduce the chance of war. The SSSR was crumbling and EUROPE NEEDED NO DEFENCE. What is with you and defending europe. Your crazy.
Wow. I missed that. They're planning for partition then. I guess it is inevitable at this point. De facto partition if not formal.
I saw that on Newsnight in BBC. I was shocked,horrified and disgusted to see them being trained. I hope they suffer the repercussion soon.
The religious institution there has enormous power and authority if they choose to use it. If push came to shove (i.e., over oil) they would use it. I agree that the royals are in a difficult position, and likely have no influence.
The Religous groups that Islamists use in Saudi Arabia are banned. Most of the Jihadists in Iraq listen to Bin Laden and the leader of al-Qaeda in the Land of the Two Rivers. But they make up a tiny portion of the Insurgents. Most of them don't listen or follow a orders from religous leaders. They are just there to free Iraq.
Frankly I'd give the pourous mountain regions to the Sunnies Shiites, and give the rest of Iraq to the Kurds, that's how I'd partition Iraq. I'd redraw the borders so that the ones of Kurdistan are all on flat terrain, so you can put up a wall and lay mine fields to prevent insurgents from sneaking through, with no rocky crags to hide behind they would be completely exposed to machine gun fire as they traverse the mine fields. I'd also make Kurdish the official language of Kurdistan, and anyone caught speaking Arabic would be arrested on suspition of terrorist activities and expelled from the country, that way anyone who wants to sneak into Kurdistand and blow some things up, would first have to learn Kurdish, and then probably would end up speaking it with a bad Arabic accent, thus drawing the attention of the Police. Also Turkey and Iran could then dump their Kurdish populations into the new state of Kurdistan, thus cleaning out their Kurdish minority problems. They'll say, "You wanted Kurdish independence, well here you go - your independent! Now get moving to Kurdistan, Go!"
Do you feel the need to embarass your self? Because what you wrote will never happen. Lets say that your idea is implemented. What would happen is that the Kurds would resist. They want to live in the place they live in NOW. They don't want to move for to get their land they want to live in their ancestral land.
Iraq is a 29 million society. So far USA is suffering from couple of thousands of insurgents. Moving 29 million people will cause even more resistance. An Intifada would happen. USA wouldn't be able to control it. 150k troops can never control a fighting population that measures in millions.
#79 Re: Not So Free Chat » Not Forgiven - The Taliban » 2006-10-14 21:38:18
The "insurgents" are the Sunnis who used to control all of Iraq's oil. Now they are fighting to retain control of some small portion of it.
It's not just Sunnis. It's also Shii. It's the general Iraqi who is angry about the occupation. You would think the Shii the ones who would have the most to benift would stay out of it. British troops hiding in their barracks is an evidence that it isn't true. Helicopters RPGed is another piece of evidence. Rioting against the british and attacking them is another peice of evidence. The only ones who aren't involved are the slimy back stabbing kurds who allied themself with Israel.
Let’s clarify. It is the uneducated Shia mainly responsible for the violence because of radical clerics who preach against democracy because they want power. The educated Iraqi shia follow Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani who believes in democracy and preaches against violence.
There was only one power grab attempt by Al-Sadr. After that he gave up and went into politics. His troops are busy killing Sunnis to fight the british or Al Sistani
#80 Re: Not So Free Chat » Canada / U.S. relations » 2006-10-14 21:29:50
Weird to do that to the Canadian border when the mexican border is like a leaking bucket. I normally make it my business to never agree with rednecks. But i agree with the people in the southern border stopping illegal immigrants. It would be racist? Screw that. Has an immigrant from a war torn country. I can tell you personally how much effort it takes to move and survive in a war zone. Also how many hours my mum spent praying hoping that we get to live in Europe. Then you get people who live in realatively safe country who sneak in looking for jobs. Kind of makes me sick knowing that some people who really do need asylum get over turned because they did the legal way.
If he isn't willing to act on the mexican border. I doubt he would do so in the Canadian border. There is probably some other reason. No one would be stupid enough to waste money fortifying the border of an allied country when illegal immigration is rampent down south.
#81 Re: Not So Free Chat » Not Forgiven - The Taliban » 2006-10-14 21:13:43
The "insurgents" are the Sunnis who used to control all of Iraq's oil. Now they are fighting to retain control of some small portion of it.
It's not just Sunnis. It's also Shii. It's the general Iraqi who is angry about the occupation. You would think the Shii the ones who would have the most to benift would stay out of it. British troops hiding in their barracks is an evidence that it isn't true. Helicopters RPGed is another piece of evidence. Rioting against the british and attacking them is another peice of evidence. The only ones who aren't involved are the slimy back stabbing kurds who allied themself with Israel.
The "collaborators" are the Shiites who have indeed benefited from the invasion. The "smuggling" is 1.2 million barrels per day, about 50% of 2003 production. The amount exported is closely tracked because it has a direct effect on world oil prices.
Also Kurds. You can't forget the kurds. Biggest collaborators of all. At least the Shii are fighting the americans and getting help from Hezbollah via Iran. The Kurds are having their troops trained by Israel.
They are, by definition, trying to control it by preventing it from being exported. Their hope is that they will gain control of a higher proportion of the oil before full production is restored.
If control you mean stop it. Then your right
Not only have they no chance of doing this, but they wouldn't, at least because Sunnis in other countries, in particular Saudi Arabia, would stop them lest anyone get the idea that oil can be stolen.
The point of black markets is that it is secret. Saddam had a black market for years and no one knew until the Invasion was over. Beside the LAST COUNTRY that could control the Insurgent is the biggest Benedict Arnorld of the muslim world. Because
a) Saudi Arabia has no power over the insurgents.
b) Insurgents hate them and the Saudis are terrified that Islamsits will over throw them and they will lose their pampered luxiours lifestyle.
c) USA would stop the insurgents no Saudi Arabia.
Saudi Arabia is a joke.
#82 Re: Not So Free Chat » Bow Down Before Iran? » 2006-10-14 21:04:36
So long as conservative Christians maintain their power here, the U.S. will support Israel. Why? Because it is believed Jews are God's Chosen People and the land which is Israel was promised to them by God. Also, it is believed that "they who bless Israel will be blessed; they who curse Israel will be cursed."
So, the U.S. will likely support Israel indefinitely.
Don't those crazy .... (you can use your imagination here) support Israel. So that the world can end?
#83 Re: Not So Free Chat » Bow Down Before Iran? » 2006-10-14 19:12:19
One thing which has struck me about many political viewpoints (found anywhere) involving current U.S. foreign policy is that "it takes two" doesn't apply; that it's only the U.S.'s fault, period.
No one else is to blame; just the U.S. alone.
Doesn't make sense. It always takes two.
::shrugs::
Most of the time. IT IS AMERICA. Sometimes they convince others that they should help them either through an economic incentive or political. Sometimes a military threat. Like Armitage threatning to nuke Pakistan. If i was the President of Pakistan i would have sworen at him but alas. Muslims are working with USA and Israel. Saddest part of it all. Working to help the destruction of their fellow muslims.
#84 Re: Not So Free Chat » Not Forgiven - The Taliban » 2006-10-14 19:08:20
Espeically when you force good muslim men to engage in homosexual acts...What about the women raped in iraq and then got burnt?
Those acts were wrong. Completely wrong. The U.S. tracked those soldiers down, court martialed and threw them in prison.
Give us a bit of credit, huh?
I'm currently also thinking of all the innocent victims of Saddam Hussein. You know: People he poisoned, tortured, women his sons raped for sport, etc.
Let's hope the Iraqis soon have a better future. All Iraqis, not just certain sects.
Kind of hard when your government won't let anyone see or talk to the people in Guntanomo Bay without supervision,has secret prisons where they break all sorts of human rights and when they keep suppressing the rest of the Abu Ghraib pictures.
The diffrence between the victims of Saddam and the victims in the occupation is that. Most of the victims pissed off Saddam in one way or another. For example the gas attack of the Kurds. The kurds in that city which got gassed helped the Iranian troops. In todays occupation. You can die simply for being at the wrong place at the wrong time. There were a group of people in a post office. They all got kidnapped tortured,killed and had their bodies throwned in the street. For being in a post office. Saddam never did that.
If Muslims want the Americans to leave Iraq wouldn’t it make more sense to help them build a stable government. The Iraq’s may or may not like the Americans but they definitely didn’t like Sadam Hussein. I think a lot of the insurgencies are more interested in punishing and embarrassing America then they are in the future of Iraq.
It's a bit to late for that. If america wanted Iraq to have a stable government then they shouldn't have invaded. Yes Iraqis did hate their president. But if there is one person that they hated even more then Saddam is USA. If CIA actually did a detailed study. They would have known the obvious. How did USA ever think that after punishing the Iraqi people for so many years and after burning to death thousands of soldiers and civilians (who were complying with the UN so technically america commited a war crime). USA is hated more then Saddam by Shiis and Sunnis. Except by the Kurds who want to use USA to get their "homeland".
Thats why most of the insurgent aren't what Fox News tells you. Jihadists who want to fight americans. Just ordinary Iraqis and former army members who want to free their homeland from occupation.
Iraq has 200+ billion barrels of oil. At $50/barrel that's $10+ trillion. The different groups are fighting to gain as large a share as possible of that wealth. Embarrassing the US is a secondary goal at best.
The Oil action is secondary. You don't see insurgents fighting for Oil. The way they see it is that the Oil is Iraqi and USA shouldn't benifit from it. There is illicit smuggling of Oil in Iraq. But it isn't insurgents who are doing it. It is the collaborators and forigeners. The americans didn't bother to fix the meters even they they have to. So that the amount of oil that is missing is incaculateble. The insurgents are attacking Oil pipes and sabotaging has much has they can to stop Oil from being sold. They are not buying it nor trying to control it. If they wanted they could go Nigerian and steal the Oil instead of attacking the the stations and causing the increase of security forces.
#85 Re: Not So Free Chat » Not Forgiven - The Taliban » 2006-10-14 15:08:10
For your information, I have been frusterated with the Middle East for longer than you have been alive. I see from your posting that you are 18 years old, and already you think you know everything. Well, I was 18 years old in 1985,
Then you must be going senile. Just because your older (i don't attempt to hide my age by the way. I put has march 88. Whats to hide?) does not mean that your wiser.
I still do in fact, but for 22 years, I've seen the violence go on and on, and I lose my patience with it. Tinkering around the edges, I see hasn't solved anything. I'd like to get this problem off the table so we can concentrate our resources on more worthy things like space exploration.
I'm just goign to go an put an idea forward that could stop most of the violence in the middle east but upset you.
How about stop trying to shape middle east the way you want by supporting regimes and pressuring/attacking governments because they don't either like you or fit your profile of a "good government" ( government that isn't pro USA).
Oh yes, when I was in high school, I was taught that Islam was a peaceful religion, all the Islamic violence since then and the 9/11 attacks have convinced my that this was all propaganda, that we were dumbly supposed to swallow.
Well i think your a bigger idiot in beleivng that 1.4 billion people want to kill you.
I look high and low for all the peaceful Muslims that supposedly exist, but tell me this, if they are so peaceful, how come we have to be so careful about offending them or even criticising them, they take offense so easily at the slightest cartoon or pronouncement of the Pope, and they respond with violence, even when they are criticised for their violent behavior.
Soo erm your angry because you can't criticizes Islam? lol. Thats just sad.
I'm sick of this B.S. I have a finite lifespan and it is already half over, I'd like to see this Middle East problem in my lifetime, it is a waste of our resources trying to deal with it,
WHO IS ASKING YOU TO DEAL WITH IT?
USA is in the middle east because IT and IT alone wants to be there. So that the oil is in friendly pro USA hands. They try to shape the middle east into countries that they want. They pressured Syria to leave Lebanon (ignoring their illegal occupation of Iraq and the illegal occupation of Palestine). They congratuled the lebanese. They told them that it was a new beginning for them. What did the USA do when Lebanon was vicously attacked by Israel even parts that didn't have any Hezbollah supporters? They supplied Israel with cluster bombs. Most were dropped during the last 72 hours when Israel knew they had to stop fighthing. They also blocked earlier attempts to stop the fighting. How can USA then have the audacity to say that they have the best intrest of Lebanon in mind? How can they say that to them when they backstabbed them so hard. Thats what you need to think about so get your head out of your ass.
and it takes away from our ability to properly explore space and colonize the Solar System.
OK. Your older then me. Then you should know. That Science. Espeically Space Exploration has little regard in the budget room. When USA wasn't in a major war and the realtions with the SSSR was good. Why did Reagon spend more then a trillion on the army? I'm sure if he took that money and spent it on research space exploration would have gone far. But i doubt it. The money would have probably been spent on something else. Also the $300 billion budget could have come really handy to NASA. They could have probably funded Mars Expidtions. But it will never happen. The only thing space is to politicians is a publicity act. Thats it. They don't care.
We have to pay attention to this fanatical religious garbage instead. I'm tired of US soldiers getting killed by these fools,
Well i'm tired of my muslim brothers getting killed by YOUR troops. What am i supposed to do it? Go and defend them? Oh wait then i would be a terrorist even though i would be their to fight an illegal occupation.
My ultimatum is that they should bring their own house into order, or we shall bring their house into order in a way they don't like.
How about bringing YOUR house in order. Every day 200,000 homeless veterans sleep rough. Why don't you take care of the people who answered the call to arms? Before you kill innocent people?
I've lost my patience with these murderous fanatical fools and the public that supports them. If they are going to murder our young men, some of them about your age,
WTF? MORE IRAQIS ARE DYING THEN DUMBASS TROOPS.
Those troops when they joined the army. They KNEW what they were getting themself into. I doubt the Iraqis signed an army enlistment. Yet they get slaughtherd and you don't care. I bet you cared when Katrina caused the flood in New Orleans. When people who should have left the city when they were warned to were flooded. I bet you cared for those not "victims". But nothing for the iraqis? What about the palestinians?
We should not reward them and make future generations of our enemies think that killing American Soldiers is a good idea.
There is no other way. Don't ask my why but Americans have penchant to vote for idiots. These idiots will only understand the consequence of war. If american soldiers die. I'm sorry but the best way for the Iraq situation to be over is for a lot of soldiers to die. That way Bush or the next idiot who you guys vote for will be forced to withdraw. Iraq won't gain freedom from helping the USA.
The Kurds so far seem to be the only ones to appreciate our efforts to bring democracy to this part of the world.
Which is why they will suffer the consequence later one. For allying themself with USA and Israel. The Arabs have been accusing them of this for years. What do they do when they get the chance for self rule? Ally with Israel.
The other factions seem to want dictators of one stripe or another. I feel that if they want to live under dictators, they can live under dictators in another part of the world, a part that we did not liberate. Our soldiers did not fight to create kingdoms for petty tyrants and religious magogs. If the people will not support democratic rule, then they are the problem. People who would rule by terror over their neighbors should be kicked out of the country and not get any of the land we liberated.
This is stupid. It's their land. They have the right to liver under what ever government they want. If they want to live under a dictator ship then they can do so. It's you guys who is at fault here. No one asked you guys to liberated Iraq. The Shiis didn't. The Sunnis didn't. The Backstabbing Kurds only wanted their own land.
You are so young and naive. Young people think they got all the answers. Some of those answers have been pretty disasterous for world civilization. I remember for instance that it was college students that took over the US embassy in Iran, you probably only read about this in your history books, but I remember this personally, I saw it on television as it happened and you weren't even born yet.
I was around way before 9/11, you mostly read about those times in your history books, well I lived them, so there's no need to lecture me with your high school education. Its not your fault for being young, we all take our turns at it, and someday you'll be as old as I am now, perhaps then, you'll better understand the frustration I have.
Well it looks like you do need to be lectured. You can only seem to grasp subtle information. "Them hate USA them bad." "Them Like USA them good"
We saved your country in the 1940s from Nazi Germany, we didn't have to.
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO.
Don't ask me why a Somalian immigrant is defending the honour of UK. But i feel it is my duty has citizen to do so.
UK WAS NEVER SAVED BY USA.
America joined the war in 1942. Before that Germany tried to invade UK. We stopped them. Undermanned,Overwhelmed. We fought them Nazis for 3 years. Alone. Just US and our colonies. The fate of the free world was in our hands not yours. America only joined AFTER the soviet union joined. Which is 1942. The year when the war turned against the Nazis. Before that. We held them at bay for years. Granted we could defeat them because they were using the submarines to take out our supplies so we could only keep them away from us. But we never needed help defening our self. We just needed help in taking them out and it was the SSSR who took them out.
What's wrong, afraid you might end up in one of them? Do you plan on making attacks on American citizens? We don't have enough space in our prisons to arrest all the innocent as well as the guilty.
Are you taunting me? Because dude that's just sick humor. Espeically when you force good muslim men to engage in homosexual acts.
Oh I forget, the Sunnis are from the planet Krypton. The Kurds have alot of support to, and who are the bigger powers in the region, the Arabs who we buy oil from or ourselves? Sorry, I don't believe in your Super-Sunnis. as far as I'm concerned, both the Shiites and the Sunnis have American blood on their hands, I don't distinguish between them because they are both violent, and they murder each other and sometimes us over trivia in their holy book the Koran about things that happened 1300 years ago.
What about innocent Iraqi blood on american hands? What about Haditha? What about the women raped in iraq and then got burnt?
#86 Re: Not So Free Chat » Bow Down Before Iran? » 2006-10-14 06:55:57
that Osama bin laden said would be in Iran and would be the center of an authoritative united Arab nation.
I seriously doubt this. The Sunni -Shii relationship might have been partly healed when Hezbollah (Shii) attacked Israel in support of Palestinians (Sunni).
Also Bin Laden doesn't call for or want an "authoritative united Arab nation". What he and many muslims like me want is an Islamic Caliphate. But it will never be in Iran. It will be in early Islamic Capitals like Cairo,Baghdad or Jerusalem.
It would be nice if our energy supply came from a sensible source like the Sun, rather than a bunch of prayerful militants that attack us for not converting to their religion.
It would be nice if you actually thougth before you posted crap. But i'm just dreaming.
Oil is controlled by regimes in the middle east that is friendly to USA. Can you read that? U.S.A. All of them except for Iran get help from USA. If they were to lose support of USA. Islamists like Bin Laden would take over. Guess what would happen?
Israel would be over run. USA would lose their so called control in the middle east and the world would be a happy place. At least for me 
#87 Re: Not So Free Chat » Not Forgiven - The Taliban » 2006-10-14 06:47:06
Hey Tom i have never said this to anyone to this forum even though i came close to so many times in heated debate.
But your the biggest idiot ever in my opinion.
Turn Iraq into Kurdistan? Move Sunnis and Shiis from there. Adjust the borders of Iraq. Jesus Christ your an idiot.
Right now the only reason why USA is still in Iraq is because only a few sunnis and Shiites are at war. If Bush ever thought of doing what you suggest (seriously though are you 12 or something?). Not only would Iraqis stop targeting each other. They would attack US soldiers more often,they would get support from ALL of their neighboring countries and the EU would be forced to take a step to stop USA.
You seem to focus on the fact that they hate and attacked USA. How come you don't mention the things USA and US supported Allies did BEFORE 9/11. OMG SHOCK HORROR!!!!! Yes there was violence in the middle east before 9/11. I'm not just talking about Israel here. Things like Clinton attacking a medicine factory just because he got caught having sex with an intern. Guess who died? Just innocent Muslims who needed medicine.
Guess how many died in Iraq? Even by Bushes estimates thats 10 times more then those who died in 9/11.
Your the embodiment of why people around the world hate America. I'm sure most Americans are nice (not counting those conservative rednecks). But that is little comfort to being who are dead because of USA actions. USA is worse then Bin Laden because atlest Bin Laden acknowledges what he does.
We wouldn't even know about Abu Ghraib,CIA renditions and Guantanomo Bay if there weren't press leaks. Thinking of how many other secret US prisons out there makes me shiver.
I forgot to mention. Has soon has USA is forced to leave Iraq. The first people to face the chopping block will be the Kurds. Then the Shiis. The Sunni might be the smallest of the big three groups in Iraq but they have a lot of support. Just because the Kurds used Israelies to train their troops (an act that will solidfy the anti kurd feeling in Iraq) doesn't mean they can take on the sunnis. Lebanon should be a lesson. When Hezbollah got rid of Israel and the Christian army in South Lebanon.
#88 Re: Human missions » Send a Chimp » 2006-08-20 13:19:25
That would be inhumane. People would protest if they found out Chimps were sent out to die. I would be one of them.
Unless NASA gave a pension to the chimps clan.
#89 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Google Mars » 2006-08-20 13:16:37
Thats because Scientists are using the best technology to look at Mars. The pictures that they recive isn't military secret.
On Earth i doubt any government would willingly give up detailed images of Earth.
#90 Re: Water on Mars » CO2 geysers in Mars » 2006-08-20 13:13:25
Ice geysers 'discovered on Mars'
Gas jets spawn dark ‘spiders' and spots on Mars icecap
“If you were there, you'd be standing on a slab of carbon dioxide ice,” Christensen says.
Looking down, the observer would see dark ground below the 3-foot-thick ice layer.
“All around you, roaring jets of carbon dioxide gas are throwing sand and dust a couple hundred feet into the air,” he says.
Wow i just have to wonder. How did they miss this for years?
#91 Re: Not So Free Chat » Why does U.S.A. support Israel? - Finally, I'm Asking » 2006-08-16 00:10:49
The problem I see is how do you tell a civilian fleeing from a Hezbollah re-supply truck. If they have vehicles they should of left along time ago.
If the Israelis go to Christian neighbourhoods and destroy water drill equipment. What in gods name makes you think that cars driving away will escape? IAF attacked a press convoy even though they were told about it. They attacked and killed UN personnel even though they were warned 10 times. It would be by the grace of god if a lebanese civilian managed to escape unharmed.]
You know what the most f****d part of this is? Zionism is mainly supported by secular jews who use religon.
Here are orthodox jews protesting about Zionism not being judaism and a secular jew comes and gives them an earful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dSHl3C9 … ed&search=
Here orthodox jews are beaten up for protesting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5qZu4yhOvE&NR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW20JGs9 … ed&search=
I forgot to add this image.
This rabbi got stabbed during the brutal attack.
And this boy escapes getting kicked by a adult guard.
So much for the "a safe haven for jews"
#92 Re: Not So Free Chat » Why does U.S.A. support Israel? - Finally, I'm Asking » 2006-08-13 15:17:38
Oh yeah it is Israel that is making a battlefield out of civilian neighborhoods?
Yes yes and YES. They have done it since the 1978 attack on Lebanon. They turned West Beurit upside down and gave christians milita the arms and protection to massacre palestinains refugees.
If Hezbollah wanted to act like a serious army they would confront Israel head on instead of firing missiles from behind woman children and babies.
They are doing that. Who is destroyign Merkava tanks? Who is killing Israeli soldiers? Hezbollah ARE fighting in south lebanon face to face with Israelis. Thats why Israel hasn't had complete control of Southern Lebanon.
Btw What about Israel attacking fleeing families THEY WARNED TO LEAVE? What about the people killed in the christian sector? The water drill tanks attacked. What about trucker delevring aid to people in South Lebanon? Are they all secret Hezbollah war.
Israel did not provoke that war they were attacked because the anti-Semitic Arabs wanted to drive them into the sea.
Yes that compelete justifies the illegal war,the lives lost and the stolen territories. We can tell the palestinians that it was their fault for thinking such naugthy thought. After all is a group of people who have never visited Palestine before took over your land. Your ment to be happy.
All i can say about this conflict is. Thank god Israel got their ass kicked so hard. So much macho talk early. Being one of the best they couldn't even control a thin strip of land. Makes the US look legendary in Iraq.
#93 Re: Not So Free Chat » Why does U.S.A. support Israel? - Finally, I'm Asking » 2006-08-13 02:41:56
If someone was firing rockets at my city I would want a response far more fierce then the Isreal’s did at the start of this war. Why must Isreal fight with hand tied behind it’s back because people sympathy for civilians who are caught in the cross fire of a country that treated terrorists like a legitimate army. Should we synthesize for all the NAZI’s who were forced into joining the army because of fear of going to a work camp. Should we have taken it easy on them? War is hell, the Hezbollah love death they love death and that’s what they got. Any Lebanese person that wants to sympathize with a group of terrorists and call them patriots should consider the reprocutions of an Israel that didn’t take it easy on them.
If i believed your opinon was right mine would be something like this.
Israel killed 8 members of a family in Gaza beach and is now denying it did it. Even though the evidence is overwhelmingly point at it. Palestinians should go and kill israelis where they find them. I doesn't matter if they are civilians. They live in Israel so they deserve the punishment. Since IDF love to kill palestinians thats what the palestinians should give them.
Forget about the fact that not every IDF soldier was responsible for the death of the family. They should all be equally punished. Extrajudicially (is there any other kind? 
). Any jew murder is just a casulity that can be ignored.
#94 Re: Not So Free Chat » Why does U.S.A. support Israel? - Finally, I'm Asking » 2006-08-05 18:08:25
I was someway through it until i noticed it was from Honest Reporting. I didn't want to watch anything from an Orthodox Jewish group. Has they would naturally be biased.
Also the Middle East Media Research Institute did put me off slighly. They did after all have "the continuing relevance of Zionism to the Jewish people and to the state of Israel"
That's why I mentioned http://www.memritv.org/
Analysis' might be skewed, but knowledge can be very useful, just watching the clips alone will suggest at the bare minimum that it's not what we'd like to think. Why doesn't the western media call out these middle eastern states for publishing anything anti-person on the networks (often on state sanctioned programming, etc).
I could just weasel out and say freedom of speech but we all know that's not the case in Middle East .
The reason is the keep the population happy. Regimes like the Assads in Syria need to keep their people happy. They can brutally crush revolts if they want but it is easier for then not to. So they give their people scapegoat to vent their anger on. Which of course is Israel. Since Israel has links to "The West" those nations get involved involuntarly.
Btw i found a good article why Hezbollah are so popular in Lebanon.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/06/world … r=homepage
Here is part of it
The group is at once highly decentralized and extremely organized. Mr. Awali, whose job as a guard pays $170 a month, far lower wages than average, ran out of money for food shortly after his second daughter was born. He mentioned this to one of his neighbors, and days later, people with bags of groceries showed up at his tiny one-room apartment. ......
But it was the health insurance, when Ms. Haidar was facing a difficult pregnancy, that saved the family. They applied for and received the insurance by submitting photographs and filling out paperwork. Someone from Hezbollah — he did not identify himself — came to inspect their apartment, and ask about their finances, checking their application.
They were issued a medical card that they can use in any hospital in Lebanon, Mr. Awali said. The $1,500 needed to pay for Ms. Haidar’s Caesarean section was now taken care of. Mr. Fayadh’s brother also is covered by the insurance, an alternative to state insurance that the group has made available to poor people for only about $10 a month.
#95 Re: Not So Free Chat » Why does U.S.A. support Israel? - Finally, I'm Asking » 2006-08-01 19:31:17
I was someway through it until i noticed it was from Honest Reporting. I didn't want to watch anything from an Orthodox Jewish group. Has they would naturally be biased.
Also the Middle East Media Research Institute did put me off slighly. They did after all have "the continuing relevance of Zionism to the Jewish people and to the state of Israel"
#96 Re: Not So Free Chat » Why does U.S.A. support Israel? - Finally, I'm Asking » 2006-08-01 15:15:39
All of you who pretend to be horrified, I bet you still eat. I know I do. Think about that when you get up on your pedstal and choose a side decrying the loss. Oh the humanity, oh my god, the travesty!
Just because someone is horrified doesn't mean they can't eat. I saw a picture of holocaust of a man eating a human ear when the americans liberated his camp. Yet i still went home and had a nice meal. That still didn't mean i was horrified.
#97 Re: Not So Free Chat » Bin Laden as "Dr. No"--? » 2006-08-01 15:13:54
He hopes to bomb America and kill American children. Why? Because America bombed Japan during WWII. Why do American children of today "have to pay" for what Americans in 1945 did? Or why do I have to pay for it ["kill all Americans"]? I was born 20 years after WWII ended. Japan has made peace with America; who is bin Laden to "punish" the US for what happened 60 years ago between it and Japan [while he also apparently conveniently forgets Pearl Harbor]? He's not Japanese. The guy is a fruitcake.
Wait a minute. Bin Laden has just wasted his entire fortunes,sent his followers to death and is in hiding because he wants america to pay for what it did to the japs? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Bin Laden couldn't give a fuck about the japanese. The main reason he hates america is because it supports the Saudi Royal Family and the injustice towards muslims that american forgien polices enable.
Do you think Adolf Hitler could have been reasoned with? He hated Jews and wanted to exterminate them. Bin Laden hates Westerners and wants to exterminate us.
Yes. He wanted to get rid of the jews. But no other country would accept them. Including USA which sent a ship full of jews back. He thought that this was a silent aproval from the world that they didn't like they jews and that he could destroy them. Remember he only came up with the Holocaust DURING the war and he never visited a concentration camp.
So we should abandon the Israelis and leave them to be torn to shreds by their enemies? Would a Jewish blood bath please you?
If i said yes would that lower me in your eyes? Lol actually i don't want to see any jewish blood bath. EXCEPT for those that took part in the opression of the palestinians,lebanese and the syrians. I want them to suffer the same way they made the arabs suffer.
As for the Israel argument itself: It's always about Israel primarily, right? Even if Israel willingly dissolved its gov't tomorrow and everyone "went home" (wherever else that might be), bin Laden would still be set on destroying the US/UK/West because our values/ideals are in direct conflict with his radical fundamentalist Muslim beliefs. Or just because of Japan and WWII (his own on-camera admission). There's always a pretext for war, right? Especially to warmongering idiots like him and Hitler.
The main muslim anger that existed before the illegal invasion of iraq was about the Israel-Palestenian issue. If Palestine was given back to the palestinians and USA stops occupying Iraq. Stops supporting the Saudi Government, remove it's troops from saudi arabia. Leaves Afghanistan he would be satiated.
Israel is a red flag, a card to be played by bin Laden. Do you really think he cares about the Palestinians? If he did, he'd take peaceful steps to try and calm the situatio
THERE IS NO PEACEFUL END TO THE ISRAELI-PALESTINAIN CONFLICT.
Unless the Israelies decided that they should disolve their government or the arabs decided that they won't want their land back. So far Israel isn't willing to give up and the only person who could have made the arabs give up on their claim to all of palestine is dead (arafat). The only other way is military action. Israel was born because of Jewish terrorist activties. Maybe the new palestine will be born the same way.
After all, there are plenty of Irish Republican Army sympathisers across the world (try making the Ulster Unionist case in a Boston bar), yet they never thought to protest against British rule in Northern Ireland by blowing up, say, German tourists in Thailand.
Actually that wasn't made by Palestinians or Al-Qaeda. This act was started by an indonesian group who didn't like what is going on in Bali. Indonesia is a muslim country. Bali (part of indonesia) however is mainly Hindu. So what goes on in Bali is diffrent form what happens in ther est of indonesia. You know in the beaches the kind of actitvies the tourists get into like strippers. Jemaah Islamiah was the group who stared it. Granted though. If the illegal occupation of Palestine didn't happen there would have been so much support for militant organisations like these.
#98 Re: Not So Free Chat » Bin Laden as "Dr. No"--? » 2006-07-31 13:33:35
How do you know Bin Laden can't be reasoned with? If USA stops supporting Israel and the Saudi Government. He might give up on trying to destroy USA.
#99 Re: Not So Free Chat » Why does U.S.A. support Israel? - Finally, I'm Asking » 2006-07-31 13:22:31
2. Iran has openly threated Israel with nuclear weapons (and now we've got Iranians going to Lebanon to help Hezbollah).
No they didn't. They don't have any nukes nor are they capable of making them. They just started to enrich uraninum. THATS FAR from being able to launch nukes.
5. Hezbollah is not a real army, has and is using underground tunnels to escape in. Unlike Israel, which has a recognizable army and no cowardly escape tunnels.
Cowardly? Lol it is called running to fight another day. The real cowards if there are any is Israel. They air stike civilian areas just so that they call kill a few hezbollah fighters with hundereds of civilains. They are scared of fighting face to face with Hezbollah. Losing 6 soldiers has made them lose their thirst for a ground offensive.
6. Israel dropped hundreds of thousands of leaflets on Beirut and surrounding Lebanese areas early last week, encouraging civilians to flee for safety. Hezbollah gives Israeli civilians no such advance warning.
Israel also destroys any car it sees in the road. xD
I know who I'm supporting in this...and it ain't Hezbollah.
For me It ain't Israel. I want them to run back to their borders
Another tragedy are some Westerners marching in protest against Israel and seeking sympathy for Hezbollah.
Really? Because every protest i have seen wave this flag 
NOT THIS ONE
There is diffrence. Trust me.
Oh well, lots of (stupid, short-sighted) people were sympathetic towards the Nazi Regime too...
Yeah and the way other countries ignored the plight of the jews in Nazi Germany was crazy. They didn't react until Britian declared war.
Israel struck Tyre AFTER evacuations.
What about the lebanese? Or is the life of a westerner worth more then a life of an arab?
*Maybe it's time the Arabs realized what's been a nation since 1948 is likely going to stay there, and they should get over it? That'd be the mature response.
Israel will never last. No country can last if there is desent with the majority of it's population. The British empire never lasted. Nor will Israel because the palestninian population is growing faster then the Jewish population. They won't be able to keep down so many people forever.
He mentions Spain too. So much for the Spanish PM putting on that Palestinian scarf the other day as a show of support for Muslims.
Your a bigot. We muslims are 1.4 billion in number. If he is putting that scarf on for us. It is probably for the majority fo 1.4 billion people who aren't terrorist.
What if I said that this war a proxy between modern Western civilization, and a loose collection of backwards extremist dictators who think their God tells them to conquer us?
What if I said that this conflict would be occuring if Isreal existed or not?
I don't get your point. Most of the dictators who want to fight are secular. Syria is example. Saddam was another before he was illegaly toppled. Now men get shot for wearing shorts in streets when 5 years ago teenage girls could go to school with a miniskirt.
And don't give me that mistake nonsense, they are able to pick out induviduals in other times, now they're bombing shelters.
You know they once bombed an apartment block with a 1 ton weapon. Just so that they could kill 1 person. Innocent civilians who did nothing wrong but sleep in their flats died.
btw just so that there isn't any confusion. I beleive that Israel should be demolished and that the palesteninans be given their land back. Pro zionist jews should be kicked out and the Anti-zionist jews who have been living in Palestine before the zionism movement started should stay.
#100 Re: Human missions » hot damn! Bigalow is up there! » 2006-07-14 07:05:42
One of the reason i do come to this website is to see GCN rant. He has the ability like no other to poke holes at Alt.space ventures and make it funny.