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#951 Re: Life support systems » Iss Plant growth experiments - planning the future in 0g » 2005-03-19 08:21:08

What about Sugarcane? A couple of Agricultural modules devoted to waste water disposal and CO2 scrubbing would give the tourists something to do.

#952 Re: Mars Rovers / University Rover Challenge » Rover Project for Mars?? » 2005-03-19 08:11:43

I suggest mobile Habitats moving between stationary automated refueling stations. It offers a more nomadic life style for colonists. In the event you grow weary of the years of road travel, you can go live in the only city on the planet and grow food.

#953 Re: Mars Analogue Research Stations » Should we fund projects using Lotteries? » 2005-03-19 07:59:37

If it is any help, The winner gets the Research Station named after them.

#954 Re: Mars Analogue Research Stations » Do your own research for the cause! - What have you done for Mars Lately? » 2005-03-19 07:54:09

In 1998 I calculated that if the Vallis Marineris took 5 billion years to form, that it will take another eight billion years to completely divide the planetary Glacier into two polar glaciers using a process of photon excitation that the Iron can steal the oxygen from the hydrogen.
Ok. I agree I have been a little uninvolved in the last seven years but I can blame the rest of the human race for that. :sleep:

#955 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Nuclear Propulsion - Is it better than Ox/H motors? » 2005-03-19 07:34:45

Would you allow nuclear motor launch vehicles near your population center?

#956 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Neutrino Propulsion Systems - Superconductors have a use afterall. » 2005-03-19 07:23:16

yes it is. It was designed to generate electricity. looked like big tin cylinder with sphere on end. Metal windings down length. Happened back in 1999? Based on basic conceptual drawing i sent to various agencies and universities at the time.
I've moved on to other usesfor the technology since then.

#957 Re: Human missions » Design wanted for Antarctic base - Mars colony? Anyone? » 2005-03-19 07:15:57

A modular base. Each module it's own Hovercraft the size of the hovercrafts that plied the English Channel. Designed to sit on a bag of hot air and to lock together into a larger Station. THis allows for the Layout to be changed every so often so the crews dont go nuts. Basicly the Kitchen/restraunt doesnt have to be through the doors on the right. Of course you must keep an eye open for smartipants who move things about during the night.

#958 Re: New Mars Articles » Greenhouses for Mars Greenhouses for Mars » 2005-03-19 06:35:00

that is why you need to grow food at the bottom of an atmospheric pressure well. Those little rain forests represent the only future for food production on Mars that doesn't involve edible moss that thrives in a low pressure altitude.

#959 Re: New Mars Articles » Meteorology within a hollow space colony - Cloud formations determination » 2005-03-19 05:06:47

Your best comparison would be a permanent Cyclone moving with a core rotational velocity of 100 kph that turns about the center of the cylinder (possibly driven by a giant wind turbine).

#960 Re: Human missions » ISS Woes & To-Mars » 2005-03-19 04:54:42

The ISS must become a colony where the colonists are employed to assemble bigger and better space stations. That means ethical (not millitary, gun in the safe, dictatorship), with Work for Room and board, Commonwealth. All with an annual colony budget of one million billion dollars a year, As Issued by a recognised Galactic Commonwealth.

ps. what makes a gyro draw more current than neccesary? a bad solder link or continuous exposure to fluctuating electromagnetic radiation. Either way, someone didn't do their job right.

#961 Re: Not So Free Chat » Corporal Punishment on Mars - Should it be Permitted or Not? » 2005-03-19 04:39:37

I abhore physical violence and execution as a method of punishment. There is only one possible penalty that will end very quickly the decay that exists on this planet. Expulsion. Can you imagine the anguish and torment that comes from looking up out of a pit, the only human there, and understanding that you will never again know human contact as you look up at the Earth from a Lunar Colony where you will be left to fend for yourself or die?
Check out the very bottom of Government-galactic commonwealth vs Corporate warlords. That is what real punishment looks like. Considering children won't get to go into space until they have achieved some level of ethics that is beyond most adults, That is the burden of responsibility that will comes with just applying for citizenship.

#962 Re: Civilization and Culture » Let's lay out a hypothetical colonization plan - Nuts and bolts » 2005-03-19 04:19:15

Galactic Commonwealth allocates ten million billion per year (for a thousand years) to the Mars Society to send fifty colonists every year to establish a rover dependent civilization with a network of automated refueling stations and a zeppelin for emergency rover retrievals and a single city where all the food is grown and the ceramic tools and building materials manufactured powered by coal fired power stations for terraforming purposes.
Following the responsibilities that come with citizenship in the Commonwealth.

Now all we need is recognition of the Galactic Commonwealth.

#963 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Who Governs Mars? - Corporate Warlords vs. Commonwealth » 2005-03-19 03:15:40

You wanted to know where the flower children went? They are standing outside Paramount Studios crying over a squandered opportunity.

I'm offering something that doesn't invlolve a millitary dictatorship, secret police, or membership in a cult. I'm offering Commonwealth as the only way forward for all of us. It is better than anything you can offer in its place.

#964 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Who Governs Mars? - Corporate Warlords vs. Commonwealth » 2005-03-19 02:29:05

Galactic Commonwealth

1.Citizenship

Commonwealth citizens would be equal shareholders in the benifits and responsibilities of Citizenship. Ethics and Equality are compulsory requirements. Most importantly, you are a Government employee for life and your wage is room and board. Personal growth adds to the Cultural development of a Spacefaring civilization.
Of course no other Nation or it's people will be allowd to leave the earth. Commonwealth citizens would go to stay, So tourism is out of the question unless the Commonwealth runs it to encourage citizenship.
Unless you wish to become citizens of the Galactic Commonwealth. That will be the furthest you will get.

Nations Can surrender to the Commonwealth. That of course would require a non secret vote by all of your citizens where every one of them said yes without intimidation. Not a majority. All.
They will also have to let their own citizens apply for a change of nationality. That is not going to be to popular with totalitarian states and super powers with galactic empire dreams.

2.Economic Benefits

Under the Galactic Commonwealth, Corporations dont leave planet earth. They will however get very rich off contracts that will pretty much be fourty million billion a year dumped back into the world economy for heavy lift projects, Habitats, labs, lease of equatorial launch facilities, rovers, space stations, terraforming projects, Food production.
Ten million billion a year will be for funding Research in Science and Engineering (real antigravity- it's out there hiding under a scientific rock waiting to be discovered by mathematicians, engineers and scientists), as well as maintaining some level of international Government.
Of course, all profit carries risk. If you default on a contract, your corporation will be surrendered with all assets to the Galactic Commonwealth.  Nations wishing to benifit from contracts will will have to surrender to this consequence. One can thus hope that they have taught their people some level of ethics (Based on the rate of Default and criminality amongst modern Industry, I envision The Galactic Commonwealth owning everything within the first fifty years. Of course when the multinationals start defaulting, they will probably push the nearest superpower into going to war against the Galactic Commonwealth. Of course I could be wrong. Corporate contractors might actually be honest, ethical organizations who will never default on a contract or manipulate the economy to cause others to default on their contracts or start wars for personal benifit).

3.The burden of personal responsibility

Most importantly though, the responsibility of the citizenry to participate in what is essentialy doing the right thing for the benifit of all, is at the core of such a civilization. Folks out for themselves need not apply for citizenship. The right of the individual citizen to self government in the face of self serving treason is an absolute right and if your intent is to subvert that for your own interests or those of a group, nation, or agency, then the only thing you will get is a charge of treason, global media exposure of your identity and those of your 'friends', and a oneway ticket to our lunar prison colony in plain view of any 'earthling' with a telescope. There you will get to live without a space suit at the bottom of deep pit (with all the other traitors) breathing the planet's only atmosphere, and growing your own food (tilling the soil by hand) until the day you die.

#965 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Neutrino Propulsion Systems - Superconductors have a use afterall. » 2005-03-19 00:17:00

It's not that far off. Nasa put primitive version I sugested to an italian university in orbit only to have it pull free of the shuttles robotic arm.

#966 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Neutrino Propulsion Systems - Superconductors have a use afterall. » 2005-03-18 09:51:44

considering that the neutrino is a carrier field for magnetic energy, I would point out that it's use in enhanced nuclear fusion drives will be at a premium. If you saturate  basic elements with neutrinos, fusion is aided by an intense applied magnetic field as well as compression.

#967 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Neutrino Propulsion Systems - Superconductors have a use afterall. » 2005-03-18 09:46:02

Type 2 superconductors produce a field in opposition to an applied field. A neutrino, being an applied field decellerates across the supercunducting antimagnetic boundary and is captured within the confines of a bottle. Propulsion is achieved by 'pulling the cork from the bottle'. I came up with it in 1996. Zero interest by sqirmy intelectuals though. Considering you cant calculate the dv because neutrino has no mass, and no one can tell me how to calculate dv based on one field being repelled by a mass generating a mirror field. I'd post the pic i drew but that process is beyond my frustrated ego.

#968 Re: Interplanetary transportation » How do "we" get back from mars? - for my essay » 2005-03-18 09:34:54

We dont come back. We go to stay. Comming back is a waste of resources. Plant the flag of the Stellar Commonwealth and enjoy your 'job for life' employment plan.

#969 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Who Governs Mars? - Corporate Warlords vs. Commonwealth » 2005-03-18 09:27:08

The only reliable way to expand into space is to establish a Goverment that will have total dominion over the rest of the Universe. Having borrowed fifty million billion per annum to fund the Galactic Commonwealth, The Government (independent of all other Nations on this planet) would train its citizens for off world colonization. And contract out to the nations of the Earth for the purpose of launching resources at the rate of fifty tonnes per day for no less than a thousand years. That vast loan will be paid back twice. and be of benifit to the world as it funds global stability through contracts for food and resources that will force six billion people to come to terms with one another as equals and not masters and slaves.

#970 Re: Water on Mars » Ground Water on Mars? - Opportunity photos - very water-like » 2005-03-18 09:14:44

the iron oxide is purely a result of permafrost glacier breaking up and reacting with the iron on a chemical level. The amount of energy involved in the iron stealing the oxygen from the hydrogen is much lower than melting and evaporation.

#971 Re: Terraformation » The Spirit of Mars, or - Nuke those red bugs? » 2005-03-18 09:06:02

If we use nukes in terraforming, it will be to achieve decay in toxic elements that would take too long remove under any other conditions.

#972 Re: Terraformation » The Spirit of Mars, or - Nuke those red bugs? » 2005-03-18 09:02:47

Terreaforming is purely for the purpose of spreading life. There is no way we can possibly acieve personal gain from something that will take between one thousand years and eight billion (depending on the level of resources we are willing to waste). Terraforming Mars is in it's final result a self sufficient hole in the dirt for a few to hide while the rest of us duke it out. Using up the only two resources we have left. Uranium and Life.

#973 Re: Terraformation » Terraforming Titan - Fate of Methane Atmosphere? » 2005-03-18 08:49:21

With the terraforming of titan, the best alternative will be to use methane eating bacteria or nanofungus. If you have ever seen Anthrax under the electron microscope, you might get the idea that it has a useful purpose to it's existance. It will feed off the wet and hostile methane conditions on Titan and change it in a way that is beyond any machine we could hope to produce. It wont be safe to go there but that wasn't going to be an option anyway.
Terraforming Venus on the other hand will require of us nuclear technology. We will need to decay the Sulphur content of the Venusian atmosphere into some other elements. Like Titan it wont be colonisable but it will be a beginning for the emergence of other life.

#974 Re: Terraformation » Terraformers Take Note - ...(unintended consequences) » 2005-03-18 08:28:14

also, when we start getting electrcal storms, we will probably want to leave mars. With that much iron oxide the electrical path to ground is going to be through anything taller than a rock.

#975 Re: Terraformation » Terraformers Take Note - ...(unintended consequences) » 2005-03-18 08:25:30

considering that most of eqatorial Mars is a permafrost glacier consisting of iron oxide which forms due to slightly lower valency energy of chemicaly assisted breakup of H2O by Fe. The energy allows for low temp escape of hydrogen into atmosphere and formation of ironoxide permafrost. Vallis Marineris is simply an equatorial evaporation zone as the planetary glacier becoms two polar glaciers based on the idea that what has already occured took five billion years, The whole process achieving glacial break up will take another eight billion years. It still wont have reached earth like conditions but it will be close. If we terraform, it will be to encourage the conditions for life that isn't human.

It will take a million tonnes of coal a year (for one thousand years) , launched annualy and either dumped into the martian atmosphere or burned on the surface in coal power stations to supply energy to a civilization to melt the CO2 ice cap. This will trigger a massive surge in greenhouse gasses making conditions close to 'switch on' for the initiation of life. Electrical storms, ect. Nitrogen is going to be the other half of the project. We will need to plunder the outer planets for this. That means robotic bulk carriers and orbital gas plants. If we go to Mars, we will be sending 50 people a year as colonist/guardians to proliferate life and monitor the changes we create on Mars.
The rest of us will be building and living on self sustaining space colonies in Solar orbit.

Our job as a species must be to spread the conditions for life across the Universe.

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