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1. i personally respect kbd
2. this is fuc&king stupid

So you all accept science and how that works, or you don't. Maybe you are the special group that says science can be ignored when it doesn't jive with your political ideology.

Believe what you want. America today is not grounded in science; opinions or personal beliefs are as just as sacred as f*cking facts. So vaccinations are voodoo. Masks are a sign of oppression. How the f*ck any of you explain how a rocket works is beyond me. You all know better. I'm sure your years of experience with studying virology is paying dividends now. stop being stupid.

Dear 2017, thank you for allowing dumb suggestions. "Scientocracy" deserves a vacuum death.

I'm only slightly insulted that you think you know people like me. If originality hadn't died with Warhol, I would be in tears.

Before you reply, look up irony.

Anyways, science fiction isn't really considered literature because, like fantasy, the environment is entirely made up. Author is God, and you can wave a magic f*cking wand and just say this is how the universe works. Not saying I agree, but I do think there is a valid point.

Hard SF at least tries to apply the rules of our universe to the story, but the problem still is that we are all imagining how we might experience the human condition in the environment never experienced by human beings. It is contrived.

Anyways, my prior statement stands. Characters matter, a sunset or a mountain range never made a story someone wanted to read.

dream of mars. fill in the blanks.

So we accept science on colonization of mars, but reject science on a disease that is transmutable.

You are fuc*king idiots.  Morons look at relevant data and say it doesn't apply. You are a moron.

You are gibberish KBD. you are sad. WTF is wrong with you? louis is in your camp. Do you understand what that implies? Politics has been inserted into what should be a scientific argument, but here we are with scientific leaning folks who make the poor mistake of playing politics. You are better than this, KBD (louis is probably not). Be better..

I reply against my better judgement because, kbd, you seem consigned to reality.

"No, but the umbrella manufacturers would never be permitted to claim that their products prevent anyone from getting wet,"

No vaccine manufacturer claims this. No scientists that reviewed the clinical studies claims this.  Vaccination decreases odds of getting covid. Which you know.

"How many young healthy adults have died from COVID in your hospital versus old and fat people?"

Approximately One-third. One out of three.

"It sounds to me like you're relaying evidence that the vaccines have not done a good job of protecting your staff from COVID.  That's not good news.  Maybe it's time for your doctors to learn that prevention, however important, is merely a single aspect of medicine? "

"my doctors" are trying to save lives. Just like the nurses. We took the vaccine in the hopes we could be protected. For a time we were. But now it's a fu*king fire burning the forest down. Myself and my family will be fine, because I'm in healthcare, but the rest of you are fu*ked. I can get a bed if I need to, you jerks are going to stand in line. Why do none of you see this?

"This is nothing like coercion used to evacuate people from a burning building.  We know with 100% certainty that 100% of the people who remain in a burning building will die there.  We know from historical evidence that 97% of COVID victims survive their ordeal while the other 3% who die generally fall into a category of people who are either so compromised by other illnesses or so old that almost any serious illness would kill them.  We're coercing 97% of people to act in a way that might save the other 3%, or it might not, because anybody who claims they know what will happen 10 years from now to those who are vaccinated versus unvaccinated is a big fat liar."

So 3%, of 300 million, being 9 million, we should just say what the fuc* whatever?

"The real question is whether or not governments have the power to coerce people into participating in a pharmaceutical company's medical experiment with a vaccine after another company created a designer virus in a lab and then released it into the wild due to negligence.  I voluntarily participated in the vaccination experiment because of China's designer virus experiment, which I was involuntarily subjected to.  I can understand if others don't want to participate, but I still think it's foolish not to take the vaccine after a lab engineered super virus has been spread into the wild by a bunch of filthy communists.  Are scientists allowed to set occupied buildings on fire so that their peers are then allowed to test new fire retardant agents to put out Screaming Alphas?  That seems like an egregiously bad idea to me, although I never claim to be an expert."

The real question is what level of lizard people you should be followed under.

I get your point, but my mind always wanders with binary statements like "destructive behavior does nothing useful for self or society". Is this true? Boxing as a sport is destructive, but is enjoyed by society. Demolition experts routinely destroy buildings so new ones can be created, or dangerous ones removed from causing future harm. We euthanize animals and people, with the death penalty ostensibly to make society safer. We have tortured people to gain information to prevent future or greater harm. We have waged war for a greater good.

So, what I am saying, is that destructive behavior does have uses, or at least given enough context, it can.

The higher one goes in leadership, what you personally want is always relevant, however it is tempered by the need to meet the needs of those above and below you, unless of course you are an autocratic jerk. At least that's been my personal experience.

kbd, if you use an umbrella in the rain, would you be surprised if you still got a little wet? Vaccinations reduce the opportunity for the virus to replicate. You want to eradicate it, like polio, then we need near universal immunization.

And contrary to the narrative that only fat or old people are at risk, this disease is killing healthy young adults. People in their 20's, 30's, 40's and 50's. Saying "i got it, and I'm fine, no big deal" is a bit like saying you got cancer and are fine so wtf is all the fuss. My hospital, we are all vaxed and boosted, but are suffering a staffing shortage due to covid- we are now taking triage measures and altering our operations. We are a level 1 trauma center. This is a place that handles mass casualty events.

The issue that largely gets ignored here is that you may survive covid, but a large percentage require hospitalization. Where are you going to go when you have chest pains and all the hospitals are full with covid patients? Do you know what it is like to talk about adjusting triage protocols for deciding on how we ration care for adults and children?

The risks with any of the vaccine are significantly smaller than what covid represents. Orders of magnitude smaller.  And yes, people are being coerced to take the vaccine- this isn't done often and it isn't done lightly. If a neighborhood is in flames and we order people to evacuate, we cooerce those who want to sit in their burning house. This is the same damn thing.

So if the government banned all sales of lead based paint, that would be a bad thing? How about they ban the sale of asbestos as a part of construction in schools? How would we feel if the government passed a law that stated we couldn't install lead pipes in the city water system?

You can take different positions on the matter of combustion engine vehicles, but the premise that rights are abridged is disingenuous. But hey, smoke that cigarette on an airplane. I'm sure everyone around you doesn't mind. OR. We achieve these changes in behavior after years of experience and science tell us, collectively, that this is a better way forward.

Don't worry, lot's of people still love the Amish. You will be in good company.

I too follow orders. A sentence rich in steeped history.

The owners are at best dis-interested dead beat dads. Good for a payment now and then, maybe an occasional life lesson of general value, but the eyes always belie the truth, resentment of mistakes made and a societal expectation they burden under.

Thanks, once again, for doing the interminable. I recognize your role and function. I lay no blame at your feet.

I feel for you in trying to maintain basic human respect here given the penchant for outright racist comments made from afar, made in polite, civil, terms. I am unconstrained as you are, so will navigate accordingly.

so be it. your mars will b e splendid in the imagination of  trolls. i will tack into the wind.