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Well considering that Israel HAS done it and the reaction to it was just a simple outrage and then ignoring it. I would say morality isn't a question here. Just who your friends are. Israel would never have been allowed to get with the war crimes if America wasn't protecting them.

Isn't that what they did in Lebanon? They couldn't find the captured Israeli Soldiers so they randomly bombed Lebanese towns. Bush and Blair were protecting Israel in the UN. In fact a remember a famous quote a british journalist asked our prime minster.
"Can I be clear prime minster what your message is to Israel. Stop now! Because has you said what is happening is a catastrophe or Is your message carry on until this international plan is developed."

This was at the height of the Israeli bombardment of Lebanon. Bombings that served no strategic or morale purposes.

It clearly did.

How about the fact that no one helds the US responsible for it's actions. USA  and the UK invaded Iraq a sovereign nation and faced no consequence. TWO world wars were started because two useless good for nothing European countries that no one has ever heard of were invaded. But suddenly what Happens in the Middle East is different? USA along with the UK started a coup against a legitimate Iranian government and forced the Iranian people to suffer for years under the Shah. When the Iranians removed him USA sanctioned them. They  had to learn the hard way like the Cubans did. Brown skinned people aren't allowed to change dictators unless approved by USA or the UK.

Kinda hard when all the of the guns belong to Hamas. Got any better ideas? Global warming can be solved by not breathing out Carbon Dioxide?

Notice how he never answered any of my points. Just focused on the Russians. Russians who were invited in an immigration scheme to make the Arabs are permanent minority. There is international laws against that.

Why should they? Because It was the Arabs that helped them defeat the Turks. It was the Arabs they promised would be allowed to live free. It was the Arabs who died to fight in a war didn't actually concern them much. It was the Arabs who were the only Allied fighters to end up worse after winning the war then before when they were under Central Power occupation.

Prior to the Holocaust. The Jews who championed Zionism were the same ones who were championing integration. They were secular jews. When they realised that Europeans didn't like them they decided to move out. Apparently Kenya wasn't suitable because the local Africans living there wouldn't take it to nicely if they came and took it over. So the Arabs had to suffer. Instead of integrating with the Arabs like the Middle Eastern cousin they deluded themselves that they were superior to the Arabs and the Arab would appreciate being led by people with better culture.

No you don't. It was Fatah that tried to launch a coup. Don't try to say otherwise. There are leaked documents.

Oh thats a terrible tactic.    How obvious and sad. That would have only worked if the state of Gaza was the same before Hamas took over. Well we all know it's not.  Before Hamas even took a single political action their budget was gone.

In case you haven't noticed. The Conflict is still ongoing. All though I have to mention that Israel has had the luck of being given billions by USA and high tech military equipment by France,Germany and USA. Give the Palestinians the same including training and lets see who would win.

You don't call that control of Gaza? Because thats what it sounds like.

How? Give me an example of one thing that Hamas has done wrong.  That isn't related to the Israeli Blockade or the loss of AID money that the PA has been getting for years.

1: The conflict is on going. It never ended. Unlike you Palestinians see Gaza has a part of Palestine. Which means that the occupation of West Bank is still in play.
2: No truce or agreement that Hamas would stop firing.
3: It's impossible for Hamas to do anything until they get access to money and the Gazans are allowed to trade with the outside world. Only a fool would think that it's possible to build a good economy within a nation alone.

Indiscriminate in loving good people and hating bad people.

Nope. Your problem is that you know what the right solution is. You never get anywhere if you don't hear both sides of the story. But are afraid that you will be seen has weak. So you cling on to a position that is stupid and pointless.

Look at McCain. He was for talking to Hamas. Hamas hasn't changed from 2006 and 2008. It's still the same group with the same tactics. Now that he is a nominee he's a hardass. Because he doesn't want to appear weak.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09ATuxuebh0.

THATS RIGHT. MCCAIN WANTS TO TALK TO HAMAS.

I made it big so that nobody would miss it. This is a big post.

No they wouldn't. Germany and USA would sit by and watch Israel get defeated.

Why shouldn't you support them? How about the fact that they cause their own troubles? They claim they want peace yet don't listen to the international law. They are trying to annex the West Bank. They are making the lives of Palestinians in the West Bank unnecessarily difficult. They are making the lives of Gazans unnecessarily difficult. If they were serious about peace they wouldn't be building settlements and land stealing walls. If you support them then you support their actions.

WTF? Why does it matter? Well lets see. If the Police are after you because you stole an iPod and you give back the earphones. Do you think they would let you go?   

Nope. The West Bank pull out stalled long before Hezbollah got the idea to kidnap soldiers. The pull out when Sharon came out with it wasn't even sincere. It was  symbolic action that left large and numerous amount of settlement in the Bank. What Olmert did was just take the piss. He's to scared of nervous polls.

I think you mean Neo-con are never logical.  When Hamas were elected Israel pressured the world to stop financing the PA budget and refused to give to Hamas the Taxes they take from Palestinians who have to cross checkpoints. Hamas voted to allow Abbas to negiogate with Israel and Israel kept on refusing. Common sense says that Israel was never serious.

Or have talks with the legitimate Palestinian government (Hamas). Thats what most serious nations would do.

Peacefully? How about the way the Jews in Palestine lived during Arab and Ottoman rule? Thats right. Before arrogant/racist European Jews came to Palestine. Jews were living in Palestine with their Arab neighbourhoods side by side without plans to take over and subjugate the Arabs. Until their European cousins came uninvited.

Ask the Israelis not me. They seem hell bent on Giving Abbas a swiss cheese of a West Bank. Where the Palestinians aren't allowed to use roads that the settlers use meaning you would end up with several bantustans in the West Bank.

I think anyone who willfully accepts and supports the deaths of innocents and the breaking of international laws should be kicked out of their country and put in a tiny boat in the middle of the ocean.

Sorry for double posting.

This is either unintentional mistake or your just lying. I'm going to hope it's the former.

1: Israel pulled out UNILATERALLY. They didn't talk to anyone about it. They just pulled out. Hamas and Fatah fighters went to the Israeli settlements and made sure that the looters didn't take necessary equipment like electrical cables.
2: Olmert was elected on West Bank disengagement. That was the election issue. The platform for Kadima. He has failed to achieve that. After he took down a few settlements he stopped. He built more of them. Which basically negated anything that he has done before. All because a bunch of extremists who harass Palestinian civilians every single day called the soldiers Nazis.
3: There are no plans to get rid of settlements in West Bank. In fact the Plan so far is to steal has much Arab land in the West Bank has possible through the Israeli Apartheid wall. If Israel was serious about pulling out. The Pre-67 border would be have been adhered to.

A good example of how Israel isn't being honest is to look at America. Parts of the American border wall were accidentally built into Mexican territory.  It was only a few feet. Not much to make the Mexicans upset but the entire part of the wall which was on the Mexican side was torn down and built on the American side. That cost millions.

Thats an exaggeration. Hitler would have never blushed at what Hamas does. Probably laugh at the way some of the kidds mascot always end up being killed by Israelis,Israeli actions or Fatah. Other then that I don't see anything that would stand up to reason. Hamas and Israel haven't signed a peace deal or a truce. Why should Hamas stop? There is nothing obligating them. Israel tries to block Gaza to make the people in Gaza resist. It fails. They then punish the entire  Gaza community. Despite the fact that Hamas isn't affected much.  They have smuggling tunnels that go into Egypt. They are getting a steady amount of Israeli fertilisers from Egypt.

Israel has no internationally recognised sovereignty over the West Bank. Yet Russians who have dubious Jewish backgrounds can build a house in the West Bank while Palestinians face the fear of having their house tore down just because they didn't get a permit. Which is next to impossible for an Arab to get.

Has a minority.

I blame the British for backstabbing the Arabs. I also blame them for allowing Jews to immigrate knowing that they wanted to take over the land eventually and not live peacefully with the Arabs.

Tell that to the nation that is trying to annex West Bank in a fait accompli move.

You have consistently proven your self to know nothing about Islam and Muslims. You prove to me and everyone here who have sane brains that you don't do any research. You tar everyone with the brush of what you hear  from dubious sources.

If this was in 1908 instead of 2008. I bet you would be talking about how Black men rape white women and that they can't control their urges.

I see what you did there. So obviously stupid. For anyone stupid enough to fall for it. House of war (yeah it's called house and not land) is an area where Muslims can't practice their religon without persecution. Europe that fantastic continent I live in isn't House of War while Burma where Muslims get killed by mobs agitated by supposedly peaceful Buddhist monks is.

If the cooperated then the space exploration can go very far. At this moment the  Gulf countries have trillions. They are so filthy rich that they are scared of spending it in case inflation destroys them. So they lock it up in accounts and invest it in American and European companies so that in the future when the oil runs out they will be able to keep their lifestyle. The other problem is that their population are to used to being lazy. If we could encourage them to slice of nuggets from their cash mines and invest it on companies and research groups. It would be well worth it.

That sounds a whole lot like USA in Space. Why don't you just call it the United States of Planets. The amount of people who would actually want it  would most likely be very low.

I foresee a more European style. A Union where there are common practises and common rules which each member follows but it wouldn't infringe of the sovereignty of individual planets. The Capital would be a useless Planet which isn't powerful economically or militarily.

Continuation war. Finland a democratic nation joined the war against the Soviet Union to get back the last that was taken from it by the Soviet Union in 1939. The Allies pretended to care about Finland when it was the opposite. Once the Soviet Union become an Ally nation there was a state of war between the UK and Finland.

Well do me a favour when you find those quotes and you check the Quran. Check whats above the specific line and whats below it. I have embarrassed to many people who tried to pass of the Quran has a war book by just simply copying and pasting the full sentence to show the part about peace.

Thank you for pointing that out your self. I was going to go on my usual moral relativism response on how in many cultures girls married very young. Thats including Europe.

First you all you need to get your facts straight. There is no such thing has Jordan,Iraq and Syria. That was the invention of the Europeans who back stabbed their allies. What is not in question is that the Arabs were  living in the area called Palestine until the '48. The reason why they are called Palestinians is because they lived in Palestine like you said your self. Where have I made a mistake?

Well when your house is taken by thieves and they only give you back the  the closet. You kinda want more. I'm sure you wouldn't understand considering that you live in a country who believed that they had the right to kick and kill any Indians living in any territory wanted by White Americans because God deemed the White man superior.

Have you looked at the maps of the villages that are depopulated? Those villages aren't in Jordan. They aren't in Algeria. They aren't in Egypt. They aren't in Somalia. They aren't in Saudi Arabia. They are in modern day Israel. Tell those people to forget the land their family have spent farming several centuries before English smugglers decided to throw cheap tea into the sea and call it liberty.   

This is the worst come back I have ever seen in all the time I have debated with people about Palestine. Most people realise this and they choose to avoid it. Where in Gods name does this fly? If the French were kicked out of France would tell them to live in Germany?

Thats not everything to the oil prices. Have you ever noticed when something happens near an oil producing nation prices always jump? When Israel invaded Lebanon prices jumped. Despite the fact that neither countries produced any oil. When an Iranian ship had an exchange with an American ship the prices jumped. When Nigerian militants attacked pipelines prices. Prices jumped. It's those nervous speculators who see doom and gloom in everything that happens.

Yes and the punishment for anyone that breaks that rule is to have their right side of their space craft cut off. Let seem them live with half a ship. Oh wait. Would they even be alive?

Why would a ballon be over Mecca? The only reason for it to be over there is probably to piss off the locals under or maybe to attack them. The same reason why a Christian would choose to be above Mecca. Probably try to convert them.

Well the biggest  Church in the world is in the same country where 20% of the population is muslim and is surrounded by Muslim countries. Is that enough to get you stop asking stupid questions like that?

Oh and btw. Isn't the worlds tallest building being built in Dubai? It will would have more Christians in it then Muslims.

Well I personally gave up discussing with people on New Mars cause they tend to be the kinda people who put their heads in the sand a long time ago.

Looking at your post is a good example. Wow. It's absurd that a regime would kill it's civilians when they hit a snag. Oh horrors. Lets ignore the opinion of someone who actually studies the holocaust every single working day (not me the israeli guy).  I'll think I trust a bunch of guys on the net.

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I would also like to mention that anyone who actually thinks that Obama is unpatriotic because he refuses to wear the American Flag shouldn't be taken serious. I would never want to live in a country where you can't be patriotic without having to wear a flag. It's sounds like a shit country and thank God that not all Americans think like that. Those people sound like they don't actually like their country but try to rectify it by overdoing it. Jesh. Expect for the Anti-English in parts of the UK most people keep their flags at home or don't even have one. They buy it and show it off when it's football season.

Also calling Obama unpatriotic because of Wright is also stupid. Obama is a grown man and he can make his own decision. If you don't call out John McCain on his nutcase then I'll consider you racist. The only problem with Obama is that he barely attacks Hillary,his repetitive speeches and his plan to cut NASA down.

Wait. What has this got to do with mass public transit? You know what private companies do? They always take the easy way out. When petrol was cheap the American can industry decided to focus on big cars that waste petrol while the Japanese and the Europeans who were facing stricter fuel economy law made cars that complied with the law. What's happening now? The Japanese and European cars can be sold around the world while the Americans car companies are dying because the only big market for their cars is suddenly drying up.

Now to my original point. No private company will decide to make a public transit system unless the government is involved. For the Government it isn't about short term benefits. It's always the long term for them. Expect for American politicians like McCain and Clinton.

Without taxes it would be just another example of Tragedy of the Commons. Which is exactly what is happening in USA. When the Canadians didn't stop their fishermen from overfishing. The Fish stocks collapsed and the overfishing fishermen lost their jobs and had to move out and leave their family behind to get jobs. The economic damage to the states they kept a blind eye to the overfishing was enormous.  This is the same thing that is happening in the US. The government didn't increase taxes on fuels. The people didn't think ahead and foolishly moved out of the cities and bought big cars. Now that the oil prices are high they are upset. They have to change their lifestyle. SUV sales have dropped and the sales of small fuel efficient cars are increasing. Prius has become famous. This would have never happened if the petrol prices were low.

Oh and my population my take it up the ass. But at least we aren't suffering.

Wait. Are you acually defending the right of people to live very far away from work? That makes no sense. It's stupid and it's not even practicable.. If this was Saudi Arabia where Petrol costs less then a dollar maybe but no in a country that imports the vast majority of it it's oil.

I think it's great that UK contributed a lot to America but it's a bit unfair on the Germans who are the biggest group in your country.

This is only half true. Has I said earlier businesses will always take the easy option. If fuel taxes are barely non existent. What will happen is that they won't focus on fuel efficient cars but on cars like SUVs. After prices increased and people can't afford to drive a 15 mile per gallon car. Hybrid cars like Pruis are popular.  This would have NEVER happened. People have bad memories. In the UK there was a housing crash in the early 90s. During the early 00s people forgot about it and borrowed like mad thinking that the good times will last.

It's very easy to say market force but there has to be a driver. Affordability is a big driver.

The problem with global warming isn't the damage to the Planet or the animals and plants that will be killed off by it. It's the damage done to Humans. When I went on a trip to Iceland I met an old man there who used to ice fish every single year since his father took him at the age of 7. But now days he has to stop. Because the ice is to thin thought the winter. Thats only one slice of the effect Global Warming is having. It's very easy to say we will adapt. But think about it for a moment. How do you expect poor countries to adapt when they don't have the money? What is Bangladesh supposed to against cyclones? Tell it's poor people who need the sea to stay away from the coast?

If more Katrinas happened I don't think you would have that kinda attitude.

Edit: It looks like relative high petrol prices are doing to Americans what fuel taxes did to the Europeans.

Looks like high fuel taxes do serve their purpose after all. London getting a $32 billion railway and American cities are struggling keep up with public demand with what they already have.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/10/busin … ei=5087%0A

Well actually the Nazis didn't think about exterminating the Jews until the 41' offensive on Russia failed. I'm not pulling this out of my ass. An Israeli holocaust expert said this in an interview to Der Spiegel. So If the Americans and the British did mind their own business the germans would have invaded Russia and conquered it easily.

Just about every leader they have had.

Well there is a one thing to consider. Did the person give orders or did they take it? If they refused to take orders would they have been in danger and could they have changed the objective? The allies didn't try the actual nazis who did the crime. Only those who gave the orders. Despite public perception "I was only following orders" worked for many people.

It's not inconsistent.  During WW2 Goebbels printed propaganda after propaganda saying that the Alies came to tear done Germany piece by piece. Well in the end He turned out to be right. The Americans discovered the effect of the propaganda when in every single German town they entered they had to face well dug in Germans who refused to surrender. If those soldiers knew that the only people who would be affected if the war was over was the government then they would have surrendered easily. After all at their height the Nazis only got around 40% of the vote.

Those were examples. Eisenhower was only General so I thought by adding him and some leaders it would make it obvious that I wanted them all to face justice. Roosevelt and Stalin should  have faced justice. In fact I can't think of two non Axis leaders who deserve to be hanged other then these two. Stalin for his ethnic cleansing,persecution and allowing his men to rape 2 million German women. In fact he encouraged it.

Roosevelt for being not knowing the what neutrality actually means and allowing the ethnic cleansing of Germans. Oh and interning Japanese,Italians and Germans who haven't done anything during the war. The last one was released in 1948 If I remember properly. 3 years after the war ended.