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LO

I think that cons don't even realize that for very large part of the world, USA is synonim of Abou Ghraib and now, a country which trademark is shooting hatefully at wounded disarmed people. Reps like it so much that way, they are proud of that.

For almost rest of the world, that is reminded however the terrorists act, unhappily. 

3 more other countries to quit coalition, Nederland, Bulgaria and Romania.
British anger at Blair and Bush rising higher. Now 2 brits out of three want GB to withdraw from Irak

LO
First, gotta remember that freemasonery was the union the top leaders of the Corporations implied in Cathedrals building in all Europe.
Today's ceremonials in freemasonery groups is a copy of ceremonials marking the progress of each Companion in his own Corporation.

In the 13th Century middle ages, corporation leaders of cathedrals builders represented the top of Science and Culture, these men read and spoke latin, necessary to work in all Europe.
They knew mathematics and geometry, clockwork which was in the 13th century as advanced a science as robotic or genetic today. Stained glasses in cathedral windows needed alchemy deep knowledge.
Remember the freemason emblems were and are still the compas and the triangle.
To keep companions'high wages, all techniques were kept secret, treason of secrets was punished by death.

Today, a modern corporation-type association as "Les Compagnons du Tour de France"* who built the Eiffel Tower are never poor fellows, always have lot of work ahead. (Not any enterprise contacted by Eiffel had accepted to build it, "Les Compagnons du Tour de France"* took the challenge)
They invented counterplated wood panels, for instance, allowing to build over 70 yards long wooden arches.
Having a house built by "Les Compagnons du Tour de France"*  is a guaranty of zero fault and that this house will last many centuries...
* Nothing to see with "Le Tour de France" bike race

By end of 18th Century, whith the growing power of bourgeoisie they were the leaders, they admitted in the freemasonery members of the gentry and of the clergy who wanted scientific advancement.
Even King of France Louis XVI was a freemason !

Sorry it's late for me,    I'll speak of freemasons later on...

I really can't suspect GWB to be a top Science and Culture leader 

LO

The fact that Franco and Salazar were both monarchists and especially corporatists made their regimes essentialy fascists ones. Corporatism and fascism are tighly linked.
I you want to argue on European history, I'm your man...got many good volumes on that topic

LO

HA HA, that's conservative bigots who forbid to unplug all the machines that keep in artificial life fascist dictators

LO
Even in France, a strong opposition is rising against Europe seen as the promotor of wild economic liberalism and destroyer of public services, welfare state, employment, though the European Constitution to be voted should correct economic liberalism in a more social way, and a more parliamentary lead Europe against european technocrats.
The example of wild economic liberalism is British Railways privatization, that led to weak regional railways networks, unable to invest into railways modernisation, and as a result, many railways accidents with many victims.
In France, national railway society isn't seen at all as a transportation monopoly, because of trucks and coaches, and airways transportation concurrence.
Same with the french National Electricity Company, which delivers electricity at the same price to all families whereever they are located, the counterexample is the failure of californian electricity distribution system.
A yes to European Constitution is not acquired in France.

British public opinion on Europe isn't very rationnal, it's been manipulated for years by Murdoch powerful media group, french bashing campaining each time it can.
It's helped by french government attitude, relying on Frenh-German tandem.

LO

We know perfectly how much we pay for our social system free services : half of what we earn with our jobs.
Go tell the Spanishes how well you protected them "under your umbrella"...
You're getting paranoîac, India, China, Europe, need you for commercials, not for your so-called umbrella.
With one satellite launcher out of ten exploding at ignition, throw up these nuclear load satellites.
They start from your country.

LO

Do it    After all, if you have so much money to waste... YOU PAY, we watch

We prefer to have medicare for everybody, free schools, free nurseries, universities which's fare is 300 $ A YEAR. 
safe trains that go at 200 miles an hour, owning half the production of Soyouz, 52 nuclear plants that assure us cheap electricity

We're so stupid froggies

By the way, I said destroying missiles by laserbeams was very difficult, unless impossible,
I never said that destroying satellites by laserbeams was impossible...

Lo
Problem isn't the speed of light (300000 km/s), but the speed of the aiming system, atmospheric dispersion and deviation of laser beams, plus the laser beam power supply ???
In "Star Wars" 1 project, power supply was supposed to be a nuclear blast that would be turned to light energy that would fire laser beams before the "killer satellite" was destroyed.
Very irreallistic.

LO
Ha, Go fits to my brain, as I beated my Go teacher the day after he learned me the game (he had a 2 stones handicap)

Maybe there will be a strong scientists opposition to that new StarWars programm. Some of the rationnals for opposing "Star Wars" might still have the same value, as the difficulty of focusing a laser beam on a target going to more than a mille per second...
I was told that french missiles warheads had an helicoîdal trajectory to minimise vulnerability to laser and antimissiles attacks.
Not so amazing from a people which often opens bottles of wine 

LO
Looks like a kind of french "maginot line" fantasm
Would "space interceptors" have stopped 9/11 terrorists ?
Would space superiority stop a letter with bubonic pest germs ?
That's just a way to give their money back to weapon lobbies. ("retour sur investissement")
The countries which can send satellites are the ones that are the less eager to threaten USA...

LO

Gurlp    The Frenches did sale a nuke plant to Saddam, bombed later by Israel.
And Canada sold one to Pakistan.