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Part 2
Now we know that time for process on Mars is not like time on Earth and wind is the main atmospheric event. Sublimation is the main phase change event and wind sculpting would be evident, it is or will be. Water ice or slurry. Slurry is just a combination of water and dust, or mud.
The rover gave us a hint of what water eruptions would look like. This is from Opportunity sol 101. It is a lot warmer here but still damn cold.
Ice Dunes or slurry in Endurance Crater
Image 4

The next image shows my analysis of phase change in accordance with mass and expected change of photon reflection. Photon reflection is what causes glint and rainbows.
Area I- This area shows high definition between surface material and dune material with photon reflection evident. This would mean there is something in the dune that changes its characteristics with both the surface and the interaction with light.
Area II- This area shows a return to surface material characteristic with no photon reflection. This being smaller with less mass would be first to sublimate or melt. It did. If water Ice was present and is no longer there, then photon reflection would dissipate. It did.
Area III- This is just a repeat showing that the process in area II was no fluke.
Vincent
Image 2

Part 1
Now we rarely get a take on water process on Mars from different prospective, we did hear
The first is a MOC image that first showed a possible liquid component to the equation. Now as in previous rants and more to come gray-scale will give us some interpretation of image but what is dust and what is snow is left out of the equation, Thanks NASA. I recon use regular guys must put together the pieces.
In this image we see disturbance at the crater rim, erosion patterns and pooling at the crater floor. No thermal or pressure data accompanies this image.
Image 1

The second image is a MRO image of a similar crater rim feature,
Image 2

The third image is a context image of the above
Image 3
Vincent

5 days 7 ½ hours but who is counting.
Vincent
This makes me yawn.
Yep , I want some.
Vincent
It seemed like the right thing to do.
Vincent

Part 1
Let me give you a helping hand.
Now scientist are burdened with the proof of scientific process. That is a lot brother. Us regular guys can debate anomalies.
Now most people can not comprehend a meso-scale civilization on Mars including myself our knowledge is still based in our environmental and physical equilibrium. This being said there are a few questions that need to be answered. Give the damn Devil his due.
Where is MARSI
Where is HiRise.
How many false color images of defrosting dunes can we stand. We got a high resolution imager orbiting Mars. Point it at these images or your credibility is suspect.
Point it brother. Just one today, I got more.
Vincent
Image 1

Now as I ponder the possibilities of life on Mars I am presented by some Earth anomalies.
There are places in Central America near the death road, goggle it, that is above 15000 feet nothing grows. This got me to thinking, God forbid. This data was presented by Nat Geo. One of my favorite TV stations.
Now at 15000 feet on Earth the atmosphere is still 75 times stronger than Mars. The diurnal relative humidity is 1000 times grater. As we say down south, “What is the deal Lucile.”
Relativity? Now I know Einstein came up with that years ago but I think it applies. A mighty Oak tree would never survive in Death Valley California. Maybe life takes advantage based on relative environmental factors and evolution of such, what a concept.
Still groaning.
Vincent
cIclops said
They say it "went supernova about 140 years ago" so yes that's ERT (Earth receive Time)
As it's 25,000 LY away, the light would have been traveling for all that time before it could have been detected on Earth, but no one detected it until 1985 - about 120 years after the first photons arrived.
Now I like to, “relax,” and look into the telescope as much as the next man. Now how is that for political correctness?
Now your siffering is impressive but we still got a few n’s in the equation. The last time I checked them there photons do not always travel in a straight line. They may be bent or redirected by them there gravitational fields.
Now I called my cousin Bubba in West Virginia and he aint much let me tell you. He got expelled from the third grade and never went back He said this thing is in the center of the galaxy and it is obscured in Noise. I ask him what he is talking about and he said that them there photons can be beaten to death until they are no longer visible in the visible light spectrum. Well I don’t know about all of that. His cousin Jethro says he can tell atmospheric make-up and temperature by solar transit of a planet 100 light years away. Take the jug away please.
I am with you brother, I think it is a straight shot from the center of the galaxy to us. I recon I will do anything for a groaner.
Vincent
Not here Vincent, you know that.
Now you've wasted my time cleaning up your mess.
Learn to use the message delete feature, and use it often.
Now cIclops, that’s not very nice. First of all the delete button only appears in the last message frame. I try and clean up after myself but I will need your help. Sorry to be such a pain, seems I say that a lot.
Now I believe we were discussing water ice at +212F.
Vincent
Still no bolonium
Well I think there is plenty. LMFAO
Vincent
Now as I watch the possible landing of Phoenix on Mars and I do hope it lands ands gives us more data this brings us to reality.
The last cIclops post on this thread.
Posted Tuesday May 13 4:17pm
http://www.newmars.com/forums/viewtopic … &start=160
This makes me go into logic mode. As Spock would say.
Task 1
Land a buggy on another planet and give probabilities of landing in eclipse on satellite topographic relief map of said plane millions of miles away.
Task 2
Take a picture.
I just don’t get it.
Vincent
noosfractual,
I believe the green color on Earth was the oxidation of Iron elements in the water. This occurred as oxygen levels increased in response to photogenic process.
I am way over my head here. Is this correct? If so then what is the acidic connection?
Vincent
cIclops,
Without a subterranean understanding of Mars the rationale for chains is up in the air. If you see Mars as a frozen dust covered ice ball like me then you see collapse features.
Break up of the comet impact on Jupiter occurred before atmospheric interaction and was gravitationally induced. Post atmospheric entry would require a thicker atmosphere in my opinion and result in plasma reconciliation before impact.
Volatile phase change and collapse would be a more viable explanation.
Vincent
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2000/pdf/1332.pdf

Now for some clarification before I descend into the abyss.
State of matter is dependent on pressure that can change thermal expectation. For example water ice can exist at +212F or 100C under the right pressure.
Then we have delay of process to consider that may regulate the existence of these islands. For example if you take a 300 lb block of ice and place it in a hot dessert on earth it will not disappear instantly. It requires time for process. We do not lack for energy on Earth but in the deep regions of space then energy may be limited and require more time for dissipation of any unstable state.
I recon I am still in the mood.
Vincent
Breakup of a meteor in the atmosphere would be most unlikely to result in a linear chain
Not a chance brother. Unless you have a sub-terrain profile
This is good stuff.
Vincent
noosfractual,
Thank you.
Vincent
cIclopes.
Yes indeed. High atmospheric Earth clouds. Talk to me weatherman.
Vincent
The bottom line is formation.
Islands of stability is a state of equilibrium nothing more.
Sorry to go past the state of sanity for humans, that’s a lie. I want to cut off an ear.
Vincent
At the risk of irritating you Vincent
Oh cIclops, I am sorry that you see me as the grumpy old man I am.
temperature and pressure are not factors inside the nucleus
Now that is just plain ignorance brother. As ignorant as me with social skills.
Vincent
Real images?
You can not have a 95% CO2 atmosphere coming in to contact with a -125 atmospheric condition without some condensation. This from an old weatherman
A true image from HST.
Vincent

Secondary craters are recognized by their shallow depths (in comparison to primary craters), irregular shapes, and appearance in clusters and linear chains.
Now this is pure speculation with total disregard to the sub-surface environment. Atmospheric break-up could result in clusters or chains but heat induced collapse from phase change could produce the same image in a frozen Mars tundra.
Vincent
Heimdall
Yes indeed. That is the fuel for the conspirators. Why no high resolution images? Your post did inspire a post on lake Steadman in the Mars water today thread.
Now are they playing us for funds or hiding something.
The next conspiracy will be the death of the rovers. The media leak was NASA funds need to be cut. There was an uproar from the wanttobe scientist like me.
Now Opportunity is stuck in a rut and Spirit is losing power in winter. Throw another log on the fire.
Vincent
Temperature and pressure are the architects of equilibrium and state of all matter.
Islands of stability would just be the third part of the equation or time.
Vincent
Not many eyes have had the ability to see this sight. As far as space images go I think it is the most beautiful other than Earth.
As the sun reaches red giant phase the habitable zone will move outward. Just a thought. The beauty is there none the less.
Vincent

Dr. Levin’s does understand atmospheric process and the water cycle on Mars today. This is a link to his rendition.
He states that the atmosphere is too cold to allow water vapor high into the Mars atmosphere. This would be correct. Phase change from a gas to a solid or liquid would release heat called the latent heat of condensation. The phase change of a solid to a gas or liquid would cool the atmosphere in a process called evaporative cooling.
The temperature would drop off rapidly a few feet of the ground in this thin atmosphere. A link to his theory.