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#29351 Re: Human missions » Post central for information on CEV 2 - ...continue here. » 2004-11-10 07:25:51

Yup cheaper access to space for people, since we do not measure us in pounds as done for cargo and head counts are more important to the per price of the passenger to rocket cost.

#29352 Re: Human missions » The need for a Moon direct *2* - ...continue here. » 2004-11-10 07:22:02

Just another article referencing Mining the Moon, the Gateway to Marsand beyound.

In-Situ Resource Utilization (ISRU), the using of native materials and energy sources collected and processed to support human and robotic exploration, would be crucial to the success of manned space missions as ISRU-derived materials would replace those that otherwise would have to be hauled from Earth.
Propellant, energy, water and oxygen, building materials -- all these ISRU products were the topic of discussion at the Space Resources Utilization Roundtable, held here November 1-3 at the Colorado School of Mines.

NASA has recently scripted a trio of piloted design reference missions to the Moon: a single short stay of 7 days duration near the Moon’s equator; multiple short stay missions, but with astronaut crews having access to other lunar spots; and a scenario whereby explorers stay on the Moon for short and medium-length time periods at one area -- preferably at a lunar pole locale.

#29353 Re: Unmanned probes » Cassini-Huygens *2* - ...more Saturn/Titan... » 2004-11-10 07:15:41

It is great what we have already learned of Saturns rings and more surprises are in store.
New wrinkle found in Saturn's rings

Titan has no breaking waves

#29354 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Spitzer Space Telescope » 2004-11-10 07:11:47

Well not much news on this particular telescope in quite some time but Telescope may have seen star birth.

Scientists excited by Spitzer images

Spitzer Sees Ice and Warm Glows in Dark and Dusty Places

The proof to how our own solar system may have formed.

#29355 Re: Unmanned probes » Interstellar Probe » 2004-11-10 06:44:45

Thou no specific probe or mission is stated at the start of this thread it however has a beautiful solar sail.

Cosmos 1 is closing in on that magical date to show that a sail can be pushed by photons, costing under 4 million. So how cheap is that russian sub rocket?

Planetary Society’s Cosmos 1 Solar Sail Ready for Flight

#29356 Re: Human missions » solar sail - solar sail » 2004-11-10 06:42:20

Cosmos 1 is closing in on that magical date to show that a sail can be pushed by photons, costing under 4 million. So how cheap is that russian sub rocket?

Planetary Society’s Cosmos 1 Solar Sail Ready for Flight

#29357 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Japan launches Solar Sail - at last someone did it! » 2004-11-10 06:41:10

Cosmos 1 is closing in on that magical date to show that a sail can be pushed by photons, costing under 4 million. So how cheap is that russian sub rocket?

Planetary Society’s Cosmos 1 Solar Sail Ready for Flight

#29358 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Genesis, Stardust, Etc.:  Snag & Bag » 2004-11-09 15:35:22

Nasa Stardust home page

The what is Aerogel page

Well from the web pages it will land in the same manner by parachute in UTAH, it was launched on a Delta 2 and is still 432 days to returning.

The Stardust mission spacecraft is derived from the SpaceProbe deep space bus developed by Lockheed Martin Astronautics. Virtually all of the technologies used to create the spacecraft were either already operating in space or were flight qualified for spaceflight before Stardust took advantage of them.

I would have said the same about the other Lockheed product but wel know how that ended up.

#29360 Re: Not So Free Chat » Another metaphor - for the "War on Terror" » 2004-11-09 14:20:13

My point was for only safe keeping, while those steps are taken. Not all is needed and can be returned as needed be in some for see able future.

#29361 Re: Human missions » Funding space - How much do Americans pay for sneakers? » 2004-11-09 13:46:29

What would it be like to take a six-year trip around our Solar System? A major new science series from the BBC imagines just such a journey.

Pushing frontiers in TV space A Space Odyssey - Voyage To The Planets

Space Odyssey: Voyage To The Planets starts on BBC One at 2100GMT on Tuesday 9 November.

Gee: Something that I would have watched had it been on my cable system here in america. sad

#29362 Re: Human missions » Post central for information on CEV 2 - ...continue here. » 2004-11-09 13:38:52

Saw the unofficial release rumor earlier in the week but here is the official one now.
Northrop Grumman, Boeing Plan Space Exploration Team
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/041109/northrop … ing_1.html
http://www.spacetoday.net/

The Northrop/Boeing team will most likely compete against Lockheed Martin for the DEV contract, which may not be awarded for several years: NASA officials have previously stated that they are planning a "flyoff" of two CEV designs in 2008, after which NASA will choose one for full development. Unmanned test flights of that CEV design are scheduled for 2011, with human flights beginning no later than 2014. That schedule is dependent on full funding of the program by Congress; initial versions of NASA's 2005 budget in the House and Senate have made significant cuts in the CEV program.

There's that budget word again a the years just seem so far away for getting the CEV built and useable.

#29363 Re: Not So Free Chat » Another metaphor - for the "War on Terror" » 2004-11-09 13:26:03

Question, Why leave the weapons there at all? Ship them back out of Iraq, off the war arenas playing field. Then all you are guarding is what you will use and the others only long enough to get them out of the country.

#29364 Re: Human missions » ISS Woes & To-Mars » 2004-11-09 13:14:42

The article reference a minor pay out of 8 million I think. So one might assume that there is now some sour grapes between the two over its loss. Especially since they will not be needing them anymore, for all remaining flights must go to the ISS only or to at least there orbital plane as I understand it.

#29365 Re: Life support systems » Eat Like a Martian » 2004-11-09 11:28:34

A lot of the same problem we are experiencing aboard the ISS. What goes up should never come down and that includes the cargo ship even if it is a russian progress. Canabalize it for what can be safety reusued before sending it on its way. I would even go as far as melting it down if possible for reuse.
On the senerio of food all food types are need and genetics probably should not be introduced for a while at least.

#29366 Re: Life on Mars » (Non-)Official Life on Mars Poll - Does it exist? » 2004-11-09 11:17:57

Well put, Shaun Barrett with the more than hypothetical simultaneous planet development and most likely sharing of biological matter.

#29367 Re: Mars Gravity Biosatellite » Who calls the shots? » 2004-11-09 11:04:25

Thank Rxke:
Just one more reason to keep virus scan definitions up to date. Symatec indicates bloodhound.exploit.6 current version will quarantine the item but not fix it. Clear internet files from temporary files and complete the deletion process.

#29368 Re: Human missions » ISS Woes & To-Mars » 2004-11-09 10:03:20

Thou this is not about the ISS directly it would be a direct factor barring its out come to Nasa and future use of this corporation.

Spacehab Files Tort Claim For Losses on Space Shuttle Mission

SPACEHAB, Incorporated today announced that it has filed a formal claim against NASA under the Federal Tort Claims Act seeking restitution of its losses totaling in excess of $79.7 million resulting from the tragic destruction of the Space Shuttle Columbia on February 1, 2003.

#29369 Re: Human missions » Post central for information on CEV 2 - ...continue here. » 2004-11-09 09:21:52

Found thanks to another web blog site some one elses thought on the cev developement.
Labeled on the first page Journey to Mars and beyound is a movie of vessels for thought. Other pages contain space stations and other space ship.

http://www.bambam131.com/

#29370 Re: Space Policy » Space fairing Nations - The ever changing view » 2004-11-09 08:45:26

Dart program flight scheduel moved up to today if all goes well.
NASA Reschedules DART Spacecraft Launch

Edit
according to nasawatch yesterdays posting date.
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=15460

The launch of NASA's DART spacecraft aboard an Orbital Sciences Pegasus XL scheduled for Tuesday is postponed.
A review of projected loads data, or the G-forces the payload experiences upon ignition of the Pegasus second stage, is being re-evaluated to ensure mission success.
A new launch date is under review and will be announced as soon as determined.

Not sure what to think about this on again, off again stuff.

#29371 Re: Science, Technology, and Astronomy » Heliopolis » 2004-11-09 07:48:08

What are the streaks that show up a few seconds in an orbital plane around the sun after each explosion. Are these real peices of the sun being ejected?

#29372 Re: Interplanetary transportation » Tethered Space Stations » 2004-11-09 07:22:07

Another use for tethers in space.

Electrodynamic Tethers: Getting into the Swing

An electrodynamic tether (EDT) is a simple idea, but one with an amazing number of uses. An EDT system is made up of two masses in orbit connected by a long, flexible, electrically conductive cable; the tether is essentially a wire that moves through the magnetic field of the Earth (or another planet or large body). An EDT takes advantage of two basic principles of electromagnetism: current is produced when a conductive wire moves through a magnetic field, and the field exerts a force on the current.

#29374 Re: Space Policy » Space fairing Nations - The ever changing view » 2004-11-09 07:12:23

Well the Russian have launched there Modernized soyuz 2 rocket. Russia Launches Soyuz-2 Test Rocket

Advances in computer technology mean that launch teams can be cut from 70 people to 20. Only two experts are needed to guide its flight, compared with 40 previously.

I wonder just how long they have been working on this and how much cash was need to do the modernization?

Contract on Soyuz lift-offs from Courou to be signed by year-end

#29375 Re: Human missions » solar sail - solar sail » 2004-11-09 06:55:21

Devising a Way to 'Sail' to Mars
While this may seem a little far fetched it however would be a possibility for cargo. Article mentions cosmos 1.

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