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It seems like a best 2 out of 3 race might be in order.
So we would have the populas vote of the people, then the electorial but what would the third one be?
As we grow nearer to the time when the xprize will be won we need to ask those would be Astronauts to Weigh Acceptable Risk as they prepare for flight.
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It's a tiny drama in the history of space flight -- an argument between a do-it-yourself Canadian astronaut and doubters alarmed he's about to foolishly expose himself and others to harm by blasting off in a largely untested rocket ship.
As we grow nearer to the time when the xprize will be won we need to ask those would be Astronauts to Weigh Acceptable Risk as they prepare for flight.
snipet:
It's a tiny drama in the history of space flight -- an argument between a do-it-yourself Canadian astronaut and doubters alarmed he's about to foolishly expose himself and others to harm by blasting off in a largely untested rocket ship.
As we grow nearer to the time when the xprize will be won we need to ask those would be Astronauts to Weigh Acceptable Risk as they prepare for flight.
snipet:
It's a tiny drama in the history of space flight -- an argument between a do-it-yourself Canadian astronaut and doubters alarmed he's about to foolishly expose himself and others to harm by blasting off in a largely untested rocket ship.
So now what do you think about the heavy lift of the Boeing Delta IV at the +40T provided under the CEV topic as being an alternative to some of the others we have sort of cludged together.
I feel that it has possibility but why not make a manned version of the same unit for crew transport.
You may find these others equally fascinating.
New Mars Eagle Has Flown, and Landed, in Oregon Test
http://www.space.com/busines....20.html
Mars Airplane Soars on Earth
http://www.space.com/busines....-1.html
Astronotes:
May 1
Proposed Mars Airplane Stretches Wings
NASA has ordered a full-scale prototype of a proposed Mars airplane. The craft is one of four concepts being considered as the first Scout mission to the red planet, slated for liftoff in 2007.
The Mars Scout Aerial Regional-Scale Environment Survey (ARES) mission involves flying the first airplane in another planetary atmosphere.
Aurora Flight Sciences Corporation of Manassas, Virginia is building the full-scale prototype aircraft. In addition to Aurora, the ARES team includes NASA Langley Research Center, the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, the Charles Stark Draper Laboratory and Lockheed Martin Astronautics.
The new Mars airplane is to be a full-scale version and will demonstrate flight-weight components. The prototype plane is scheduled to make its first flight later this year with a deployment test in the thin, upper reaches of the Earth's atmosphere - to mimic the aerodynamic regime of Mars.
Aurora Flight Sciences specializes in design and production of high-altitude unmanned air vehicles (UAVs) - part of an armada of high-tech equipment used in the recent Iraqi war.
Along with the airplane, an orbiter, an atmospheric sampling mission, and a polar lander are also being considered under the Mars Scout program. NASA will decide later this year which mission will head for Mars in 2007.
It appears that the server access is case sensitive. This one is a 12 page file.
Thanks to Andy McSorley for info on as posted from another site.
Boeings plans for Heavy Lift are taking shape. See Links
http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/spa … flash.html
http://www.spacecongress.org/2004/Panel-4/2Collins.pdf
Thanks to the Orbiter Simulator Forum members for finding these.
With this I've been flying the CEV already :-)
How we will feed our crew on the long journey.
Farming for the Future
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/space/prepar … rming.html
Well keep the cat in the bag and I will pretend to be one of the monkeys with his ears and eyes covered.
Thanks for changing the gloom to sunshine.
The second part of the electoral college was due to delay from the remote voting sites to pass there voters information directly to the congress. The third part was a weighting system to compensate state size to population.
But in a state like NH which predominately vote republican we get only 2 votes in the college when other state have 50. Some would ask how far is that. These like you noted do not take into account voter apathy for any further weighting of the populas vote tieing back to head counts turn out.
Nasa appears unwilling to share the space knowledge it has gained from that era and the many years that have followed under the cloak of national security and of fear.
Nasa has shown time and time again that it can do better than what they are doing with the examples of there space probes but they have floundered since there last trip to the moon so many years ago.
But can we wait forever for Nasa to get the sufficient funding to start the cev?
So lets look at what is needed by private industry to get to space since it would be developing it from scratch.
1 cryrogenic fuels and oxidizers facilities
2 solid fuels or other fuels for initial stage boost
3 machining capability to create the tanks for the fuel
4 launch pad and support infrastruture
5 rocket assembly an construction buildings
6 licencing documents
7 funding
I sure this list is much longer than I have but it highlights some of the difficulties in front of the private companies to come.
While not being a cutback due to reduced shuttle flights it how ever is effected by when will it actually go on the ealiest possible one.
A room with a view for the International Space Station: Completion of the cupola observation module
http://www.esa.int/export/esaCP/SEMZH40 … dex_0.html
The cupola project is the outcome of a bilateral barter agreement between the European Space Agency and NASA, under which ESA is providing the cupola for the ISS in exchange for Shuttle transportation of European equipment and experiments to the station.
While not being a cutback due to reduced shuttle flights it how ever is effected by when will it actually go on the ealiest possible one.
A room with a view for the International Space Station: Completion of the cupola observation module
http://www.esa.int/export/esaCP/SEMZH40 … dex_0.html
The cupola project is the outcome of a bilateral barter agreement between the European Space Agency and NASA, under which ESA is providing the cupola for the ISS in exchange for Shuttle transportation of European equipment and experiments to the station.
For lack of a better place to post news.
Firm may help fight bacteria in space
Special fabric undergoes NASA tests
http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps....1
Definitely needed for the long journey to Mars and on the ISS
Lack of funds blocking Brazil's space program
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004- … 917110.htm
Nasa is not alone with this problem.
I had remembered some other space planes for mars scout missions from various Universities. One has done the research needed to deploy after re-entry without landing to get ready to fly. It blew an inflatable set of wings up and then cured them in the martian atmosphere by UV.
I would gladly eat crow though I was not intending for a bet if it meant that some company would finally do space the right way at minimal cost and often for all. But I have been since the Apollo era wishing for such a trip myself.
I stayed up many a night watching the old black and white video of them on the moon and have seen the chance for that to happen slip away with the years.
Nasa appears unwilling to share the space knowledge it has gained from that era and the many years that have followed under the cloak of national security and of fear. Nasa has shown time and time again that it can do better than what they are doing with the examples of there space probes but they have floundered since there last trip to the moon so many years ago.
So lets look at what is needed by private industry to get to space since it would be developing it from scratch.
1 cryrogenic fuels and oxidizers facilities
2 solid fuels or other fuels for initial stage boost
3 machining capability to create the tanks for the fuel
4 launch pad and support infrastruture
5 rocket assembly an construction buildings
6 licencing documents
7 funding
I sure this list is much longer than I have but it highlights some of the difficulties in front of the private companies to come.
It has taken 40 years plus just to get to where nasa started with human flight not robotic. With that pace we will all be dead before private industry will even try for orbital flight even if it were robotic. No destination for human endevers means no need for heavy lift and no need for infrastructure.
Oh by the way when you go to a place like McD's or Burger k do you throw out the plastic cups for the large soft drink as it is miningless when though.. Think poor and the jobs will get done. Recycle as much as you can or as often as you can when possible. Things do have value but maybe not to deep pockets. They can just get or ask for more.
Cover the top of the balloon with a thin film solar cells and make an electrical heater element to make the co2 rise to provide the lift. Or possibly use some form of nuclear reaction to generate the heat.
So what if the end of the tether is an anti gravity or magnetic repulser system being constantly recharged by solar panels or from a nuclear reactor. Does that change the equation of drag versus the need for rocket boosting fuel use.
ya maybe to star trek ish with the tracter beam idea but just a thought.
So basically the counter balance part of the stationis a higher orbital speed but matching the orbital speed of the Earth to syncronize it over one spot. The delta in speeds being from end to end a relationship to how far in orbit about the Earth with regards to each others end of the Tether. Would not centrifical forces come into play also on such a design.
Nothing say that the tether has to be kept as a small diameter cable. This could also be of other functions. Depending on how low in orbit it would get or if it could into the atmoshpere it could then lessen the amount of oxygen needed to be transported to the station by creating a syphon system to pull in the needed O2.
Well here is the page from space Island Group that really spells out why they can not have shuttle external tanks.
It is also the main reason while private industry is held out of the game and must re-invent the wheel when it comes to Rockets and of Space exploration.
Well here is the page from space Island Group that really spells out why they can not have shuttle external tanks.
It is also the main reason while private industry is held out of the game and must re-invent the wheel when it comes to Rockets and of Space exploration.
I was surprised that it was not being process initially aboard the ISS but that would mean a lot more expense and real science work to be done.
The samples should prove very interesting but I think they will show simular results when compared to the lunar samples brought back so many years ago.