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1. Because the day night cycle is 2 weeks - with the exception of a few areas of "eternal light" such as near Shackleton crater, the planned location for the Outpost - and even there, there's only solar power for about 80% of the lunar orbit. Nuclear power also can provide the high levels of power for ISRU.
2. For food production water is needed, that's a more critical resource than food and needs to be produced first - ISRU can do it with enough power.
The Moon actually causes wobbles in the Earth's rotation and tilt, without it the Earth would be more stable. It does however help to protect Earth from asteroid impact.
One of the key ID arguments is that there's a glaring lack of fossil evidence for the failed mutations that would have been necessary to produce the species that were successfully selected by their environment. Given the wasteful nature of evolution, there should be vast numbers of unsuccessful offspring. So where are they?
On reflection the answer may be clear. There are no intermediary species, that's why there are no fossils. Every living organism belongs to a species, offspring are always slightly different due to mutation and genetic variation however when they die, they are essentially still the same species. Fossils won't show these tiny changes in each individual or they simply appear as variations in the same species. When sufficient changes occur in a subset of a species it's unable to interbreed with the rest of the species and a new species appears, so there is no intermediate species.
Wow, nice find RickSmith.
A few more details to stimulate some interest:
The hunt for superheavy elements has focused banging various heavy nuclei together and hoping they’ll stick. In this way, physicists have extended the periodic table by manufacturing elements 111, 112, 114, 116 and 118, albeit for vanishingly small instants. Although none of these elements is particularly long lived, they don’t have progressively shorter lives and this is taken as evidence that islands of nuclear stability exist out there and that someday we’ll find stable superheavy elements.
But if these superheavy nuclei are stable, why don’t we find them already on Earth? Turns out we do; they’ve been here all along. The news today is that a group led by Amnon Marinov at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem has found the first naturally occuring superheavy nuclei by sifting through a large pile of the heavy metal thorium.
What they did was fire one thorium nucleus after another through a mass spectrometer to see how heavy each was. Thorium has an atomic number of 90 and occurs mainly in two isotopes with atomic weights of 230 and 232. All these showed up in the measurements along with a various molecular oxides and hydrides that form for technical reasons.
But something else showed up too. An element with a weight of 292 and an atomic number of around 122. That’s an extraordinary claim and quite rightly the team has been diligent in attempting to exclude alternative explanations such as th epresence of exotic molecules formed from impurities in the thorium sample or from the hydrocarbon in oil used in the vacuum pumping equipment). But these have all been ruled out, say Marinov and his buddies.
What they’re left with is the discovery of the first superheavy element, probably number 122.
If this is confirmed, this will have consequences all over chemistry and physics.
Well written Commodore, however, the Arab-Israeli conflict situation is far far more complex and doesn't fit nicely into such a simple analysis. Many factions are involved on both sides, each with their own agenda. Several external powers have stakes too, and of course there's regional spill over and links to other conflicts. As if that wasn't enough, there are powerful religious, political and racial factors.
Deporting the Palestinians, or even the Israelis, into Sinai won't solve the problem either. Can you imagine the reaction to the forcible relocation of millions of people, and who would do it? Land rights are central to this conflict, people will fight and die for their own few square meters, their religion, their culture and their country. When two groups both claim ownership over the same piece of land, conflict usually continues until one side is defeated.
If there was a simple solution it would have been found a long time ago.
To bring this back on topic, what is Obama's solution?
Rayed Crater in Tharsis Region (MRO/HiRISE) - imaged 11 Apr 2008
This image shows a small rayed impact crater, about 160 meters (530 feet) in diameter, in the Tharsis region in the northern hemisphere of Mars.
Relatively recent impacts form rays of ejecta that spray out radially from the crater. In addition to relatively fine material, large boulders and smaller secondary craters are visible in the rays surrounding this crater.
Secondary craters are recognized by their shallow depths (in comparison to primary craters), irregular shapes, and appearance in clusters and linear chains.
Asteroid Steins observed by Rosetta’s OSIRIS camera
First observations of Rosetta’s flyby target 2867-Steins - 20 Mar 2007
Asteroid 2867-Steins will be visited again by Rosetta on 5 September 2008 from a distance of just over 1700 kilometres. This encounter will take place at a relatively low speed of about 9 kilometres per second during Rosetta's first excursion into the asteroid belt. On 10 July 2010 Rosetta will pay its second visit to asteroid 21-Lutetia, passing within about 3000 kilometres of it, at a speed of about 15 kilometres per second.
Turning Moondust Into Air and Water - 5 May 2008 - Planetary Radio interview (about 15mins)
Gerry Sanders, Manager ISRU project, describes in detail NASA's ISRU work and how lunar ISRU helps prepare for Mars.
Overview of ISRU Architecture (PDF) - 14 Jun 2007
Initial ISRU Capabilities to be pursued during early Outpost (first 5 years)
Pilot-scale oxygen production, storage, & transfer capability (replenish consumables)
Pilot-scale water production, storage, & transfer capability – assuming hydrogen source/water is accessible
Excavation & site preparation (i.e. radiation shielding for habitats, landing plume berms, landing area clearance, hole or trench for habitat or nuclear reactor, etc.)
Demonstration of In-situ fabrication and repair demonstration
Mid-Term ISRU Capabilities - Exploration growth (“Hub & Spoke”)
Propellant production for LSAM, robotic sample return, or propulsive Hopper from Outpost
Consumables for long-range pressurized rover
Construction and fabrication demonstrationsPossible Long-Term Lunar Capabilities (Settlement)
In-situ manufacturing and assembly of complex parts and equipment
Habitat and infrastructure construction (surface & subsurface)
In-situ life support – bio support (soil, fertilizers, etc.)
Power generation for Moon and beyond: beaming, helium-3 isotope (3He) mining, etc.
NASA has a budget request for work on Exoplanet Exploration including TPF this year. There's a new mission called Kepler that will fly next year. Before TPF there's another mission called SIM that will probably start around 2010. With an increase in funding we can continue human exploration beyond LEO and speed up the search for exoplanets.
It's hard to see how this can get back On Topic, it was going to be moved to Space Politics but now it's drifted away even from that - how about Free Chat?
Solicitation - 29 Apr 2008
The NASA Science Mission Directorate (SMD) has directed the Marshall Space Flight Center (MSFC) and the Johns Hopkins University’s Applied Physics Laboratory (APL) to implement one of what is expected to be a series of missions to put in place an International Lunar Network (ILN). Hence, the Government is requesting information pertaining to existing subsystems and/or other component elements that are capable of transporting and delivering science instrument packages to the lunar surface. The term “existing” refers to hardware development levels equivalent to flight spares, engineering units, and/or high technology readiness level (TRL3 or greater) hardware that could be flight qualified and flown as part of the ILN, anticipated for launch in the 2012-2014 time-frame. In the event that flight spares or engineering units are not available, the Government is also interested in “build to print” or “scaleable” possibilities from existing flight hardware. Hardware that would deliver science instrument packages to the lunar surface, hereafter referred to as “landers”, would include such things as penetrators and hard or soft landers. The Government is also interested in other innovative existing hardware solutions extensible to the placement of science instrument packages on the lunar surface.
The short development schedule and limited budget preclude extensive lander or technology development. Hence, NASA mission planners must focus on mature, functioning hardware, including flight spares from other missions, engineering units of existing flight hardware, or high TRL hardware that can easily be flight qualified, “built to print”, or that require limited additional development. Please see the document (NPR 7120.8 App J - TRL Definitions.pdf) accompanying this RFI on FedBizOpps for definitions of hardware and technology readiness levels.
The ILN represents a series of US and International Partner provided surface packages (sensing nodes), which act as common science nodes in a lunar geophysical network that will address Agency science goals. The NASA SMD expects that each node in ILN will provide a minimum core suite of two instruments and will include a lander to deliver these nodes to the lunar surface. Additional measurements and/or instruments may be accommodated provided adequate mass, power and budget margins exist. The mission addressed by this RFI encompasses two landers (i.e., anchor nodes). These first two nodes of the ILN will likely be placed at high lunar latitudes.
The landers are expected to be small. For planning and RFI purposes, the following represent approximate anticipated payload/instrument accommodation considerations and constraints that will be used to assess lander capability and sizing applicability.
Mass: 25-50 kg Power: 1 W continuous, 2 W peak G-Load: 40 g Data Rate: 100 Mbits per Earth day (transmitted or stored)
Seeing the large payloads capable by the Ares I+V, I don't think propulsion is that much of an issue. Its keeping all those people alive for the transit. That requires a lot of consumables.
A single Ares I will only be able to launch six people into orbit and two Ares V are needed to transport them to Mars! It would be a one way trip as even two Ares V cannot transport the return vehicle. So 24 people, one way to Mars would effectively require 4 x Ares I and 8 x Ares V. When they arrived at Mars there would be nowhere for them to live and nothing to breathe, drink or eat unless Habitats and supplies had been established. Each six person Habitat would require 2 more Ares V launches, this would provide supplies for about 18 months.
From Intense Testing Paved Phoenix Road to Mars - 9 May 2008
NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander has a scoop on the end of its Robotic Arm. A motor-driven rasp can be lowered at an angle through a small opening in the bottom of the scoop to aid in gathering shavings of hard-frozen material. In this image, Lori Shiraishi, an engineer at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, inspects the scoop while the spacecraft was being assembled and tested before its Aug. 4, 2007, launch.
Flying True Enough to Skip One Scheduled Adjustment - 9 May 2008
NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander continues on course for its May 25 arrival at Mars. After targeting its certified landing site with a trajectory, or flight path, correction maneuver on April 10, the spacecraft's performance has been stable enough for the mission's operators to forgo the scheduled opportunity for an additional trajectory correction maneuver on May 10 and focus on the next such opportunity, on May 17.
The Phoenix navigation team at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., made that recommendation after assessing the trajectory this week and mission management accepted the recommendation late Thursday. Phoenix has performed three flight path correction maneuvers since its Aug. 4, 2007, launch. Besides the May 17 one, the final opportunity for adjusting the course to hit the targeted landing area will be in the final 24 hours before landing.
The first possible confirmation time for the spacecraft's landing on May 25 will be at 4:53 p.m. Pacific Daylight Time. The event would have happened 15 minutes and 20 seconds earlier on Mars, and then radio signals traveling at the speed of light will take 15 minutes and 20 seconds to cross the distance from Mars to Earth on that day.
As with any commodity, the price of oil is set by the demand and supply. There has been increasing demand from China and India in the last few years and generally throughout the world. As the price of oil is traded in dollars, the falling value of the dollar has also increased the trading price. Increasing price will stimulate more production and less use, and the price will fall again.
This has been the situation for a long time, NASA will probably never have all the funding they want or even need. Fortunately NASA aren't depressed, they get on with it and do amazing things.
Do you mean force them to watch primary debates?
(i edited the last sentence after you quoted it)
It's not easy to get good cost numbers for the new system as it's a long way from being operational - Ares I is planned for 2015, Ares V for 2018 . Even a Saturn V is hard to put a price on. Costs are not just manufacturing, but also operations and of course the enormous development budget needed to design and test.
Basic cost for a Saturn V is quoted as $135million in 1967 dollars ($850m in 2007 dollars) An Ares I was said by NASA to cost about $200m and an Ares V between $200 and $400m. However these numbers do not reflect operations costs. It's a main design driver to reduce both types of costs. An Ares lunar mission ought to be fraction of the cost of an Apollo one.
Reliability is also difficult to put numbers on. Reliability is about launching on time and non fatal mission failures. Ares will benefit from far newer technology and many years of experience, and again reliability is one of its key design drivers. NASA are aiming for a significant improvement factor in reliability. Loss of Mission (LOM, crew survive) for Ares I is estimated at about 0.2% and 0.8% for Ares V. For comparison Soyuz and Shuttle LOM are estimated as 1%.
This is a big subject, how many difficulties do you want?
Indeed, separating cargo and people makes a lot of sense, that's one of the main reasons for splitting the new system into two parts. A smaller, safer system for people, which makes it expensive, and a cheaper larger system for cargo.
The BIG problem is propulsion. Currently LOX/LH2 technology is the best available yet it's too inefficient to propel the enormous quantity of mass needed to transport and sustain more than a few people and their luggage to Mars.
20-100 people consume a huge amount of water, food and air, so a closed life support system will be necessary. A fast transporter would be helpful too to reduce the exposure to inspace radiation whereas cargo can take its time. More speed and mass both need more propulsion.
The Ares lunar transportation system will be much safer, more reliable, cheaper and provide more than double the capability of Saturn V.
ATK engineer checking the mold for forming the forward segment of the 5 segment motor
From Ares Projects Quarterly Progress Report #8 - May 2008 - youtube video - 4:32 mins
Wind tunnel testing this quarter obtained data on the vehicle configuration with full protuberances on the model. These protuberances provided engineers with a more accurate idea of how aerodynamic forces will affect the vehicle during flight.
Work began this quarter on refurbishing Marshall's Dynamic Test Stand, used for vibration testing on both the Saturn rockets and the Space Shuttle. Crews began refitting the facility, removing structures used for the Space Shuttle and clearing the way for Ares. The main testing bay doors were lowered for the first time in two decades.
The Ares I-X first stage team is building the new forward structures that will connect the solid rocket motor to the upper stage. This work utilizes both conventional welding and state-of-the-art coordinate measuring to ensure that the parts are built in line with the original design.
At ATK, engineers began upgrading the T-97 test stand for use with the Ares five-segment solid rocket motors. The refurbished stand will withstand the greater thrust of the Ares motors, and will have additional instruments for measuring loads during testing.
Back at Marshall, engineers calibrated the load cells for the T-97 test stand to ensure the accuracy of the thrust measurements. These tests were intended to verify that the stand can take the load required for full-scale testing. The results were a success, with the load cells meeting all specified requirements for Ares testing.
Engineers at ATK performed a dry fit of the mold that will be used to shape the forward segment of the motor's solid propellant. The twelve fins of the core will determine the final shape of the solid rocket fuel in the motor. Tooling and process changes have been made for this procedure to improve performance of the motor as well as streamline the manufacturing process from previous Shuttle experience.
Manufacturing demonstrations continued this quarter for the gore panels of the upper stage liquid hydrogen tank dome. After being stretched and then cut to the right shape, thickness measurements are taken over the entire panel. Large discrepancies are ground away, and then the panel is dipped in a masking material. Lasers are being used to create a topographical "map" of the panel, and the masking material is cut away from thicker areas. The panel is then dipped in a caustic solution that dissolves excess metal. More of the mask is cut away and the process is repeated until the entire panel is of a uniform thickness. The final pieces were delivered this quarter for Marshall's world-class friction stir welding facility, with the arrival of a vertical weld tool and completion of the robotic weld tool assembly. These tools allow engineers to manufacture test hardware on-site, verifying procedures and materials before full-scale upper stage manufacturing begins at Michoud Assembly Facility in Louisiana.
Tests continued this quarter on the heritage S-IVB vent relief valves. The valves are pressurized using gaseous nitrogen and subjected to various flow rates to see how they react. Knowledge gained from these tests will help designers working on valves for the Ares I main propulsion system. Future testing will include cryogenic fluids for more "flight-like" results.
The J-2X engine team continued work on powerpack testing this quarter, with a series of test burns of increasing length. These tests will validate the performance of heritage hardware to help reduce early design risk on the J-2X and keep the development schedule on track.
The 'Vision' is in trouble says Hill panel - 7 May 2008 by Mark Matthews
WASHINGTON -- NASA needs more money and new ideas to accelerate its new space program, several witnesses told Congress this morning.
Among the ideas: greater cooperation with international partners, more investment in private industry and a greater focus on education and technology that could lead to new rockets and spacecraft.
The brainstorming session was part of a U.S. Senate hearing on Wednesday aimed at examining the Vision for Space Exploration, a 2004 plan unveiled by President Bush to return American astronauts to the moon by 2020.
Hanging over the discussion -- as is the case with most NASA’s hearings -- was the issue of money.
Critics, including U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson, have argued for years that NASA does not receive the funding necessary to build the space station, construct a new spacecraft and do science and aeronautic research.
"NASA is in trouble. This little agency has been asked to do too much with too little. And that is the problem. It is my hope that within the last eight months of the Bush administration that we can get the president … to adequately fund it," said Nelson, D-Fla. Nelson is pushing to add an extra $1 billion to NASA’s proposed budget of $17.6 billion in 2009.
Similar measures have failed the last two years and Nelson was candid about its chances this year. “We don’t have a prayer without White House support … but I believe in miracles,” he said.
We don't even know if there has been contact. The panspermia theory says we are the aliens.
One of the best SF stories and movies ever explored the idea that there are many ET advanced civilizations, if you haven't seen it, stop reading this and go see them now! The book and the movie are called "Contact" by Carl Sagan.
From Phoenix Press Kit (PDF 3MB) - dated 8 May 2008 - excellent overview of the project
Phoenix keeps oriented as it flies toward Mars by using a star tracker and pair of sun sensors mounted on the cruise stage. The same type of star tracker is used on Mars Odyssey, a camera that takes pictures of the sky and has computer power to compare the images with a catalog of star positions and recognize which part of the sky it is facing.
Update from dmuller's page
10-May-08 02:14:06 NOT REQUIRED: Trajectory correction maneuve [4]
Next event: Trajectory correction maneuver #5 on 17 May