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#1 Re: Life on Mars » Animals supported on mars. - Could it work? » 2003-08-19 19:07:12

wow I'm back after a looooooooooooong break. like 2 years. sweet. anyways.

You mustn't forget the pressure and the gravity are lower on mars, too. Besides, why would u need animals there at this stage?

#2 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Hey, hey, hey, wait up - Mars is not a country » 2002-07-03 11:42:30

You argue for slavery, I argue against it.

This is getting annyoing.
Slightly constitutional monarchy (Russia in the late XIX and early XX centuries) is as much a slavery as a democracy. I state that and I state that again and I think I already made my point why. You seem to be ignoring it.

A. Arbitrary- any "leader" can be one that is looked up to, so a Monarchy should not be considered solely for this reason.
B. Blaming someone for something is unproductive- it seems that you are suiggesting that a monarchy would make people feel better since it would absolve them of any responsibility for how they must live their life- how is this sensible?
C. Just as arbitrary as reason A and can be achieved using any type of leader.

A. A President has to be always with the people, people he is a leader od a democracy - country ruled by its people. Thus you almost always see everything a President does or doesn't do. A King, on the other hand, can be much more secret, although, of course, he has to reveal himself pretty often. THis makes him more mystical, people start to give him traits that he doesn't have. Some give him bad traits, some good. IF you think of him as sort of a savior, it's much easier to look up to him than to a president.
B. If you give him bad traits, you can blame him for everything. Although  it IS unproductive, I'd rather curse at Putin for a few hours and blame him for what Russia is right now than just not do anything and feel sorry for my country. I did curse at him many times, it made me feel better, but that did NOT stop me from making my own movement, and even encouraged me to do so.
C. Again, a King can hide his bad deeds and make it easier to praise him.

Personally, I think it is short sighted to choose a form of government based on its potential "rallying cry". "Gee, we are slaves, but at least we have this really cool cheer!"  tongue

It is not a matter of life and death, but it does add a lot to the patriotism, which results in better military AND economy. As for the last part of it, I'm not even going to answer that. Look at the very top of my post.

Then how can you legitametly support your position?

Democracy is not perfect either, but you somehow are able to support your position. Every form of government has its own strengths and weaknesses, and it always has some very strong points and very weak points. The heir thing is one of the very weak points of monarchy. BUT as Peter I has ordered (and what was the rule until the Revolution), the heir is chosen by the Czar, and the age doesn't count anymore. Thus, if one of your sons/daughters is a bad Czar, you can always choose another one.

Mistakes can be repeated, why allow for that possibility?

First of all, the age of assasinations passed. Great rulers are now rarely assasinated, and a fear of that should not be that strong in a ruler of today's world. And besides, if another Bloody SUnday occured today, the ruler of the country will be harshly punished by other countries and will loose the respect they had for him.

What if I don't belive in the "church" teachings? Should people be forced to support a belief system they do not agree with?

First of all, I hardly believe a powerful church will ever be organized on Mars. Second, as I said, today the church is less powerful. Peter I declared that the patriarchal system of the church (where it is ruled by one person: the patriarch) is bad and made a new system where it is ruled by many people (Sinod) and thus makes the church much weaker. By the XX century, the power of the church was feasible, although most of the Russians were very faithful believers. I mean, if your parents believed in the same faith since the IX century, I would think it would be easy for you to believe, too. As for those who believed in other faiths, non-orthodox churches (or other places of worship) were allowed in Imperial Russia.

We are saying the same thing- however, I am pointing out that the Monarch does not need to fear the revolution if he is able to maintain enough force to quell a rebellion- if he has a willing army

Army in Imperial Russia consisted of peasants. If peasants are unhappy, the army is unhappy, and you will never have a willing army with unwilling peasants. Today, the Russian draft rule is this: if you don't go to college one year after graduation from school, you will be drafted. If you did go to college, you can be drafted in times of war. If you're not drafted until you are 27 years of age, you will never be drafted. WHo doesn't go to college? People who have neither money or good education. WHo are those? Peasants, only peasants of the modern world. Thus even today the army consists of peasants, and if they're unhappy, you wll not have a willing army. USA, where there is no draft, is a bad example, since it is a very powerful country by itself and does not need to draft people currently. THus most of the people who go to the army still get a good education.

That's why monarchies suck.

That's offensive. I never said that "democracy sucks", although I certainly feel so. Sometimes.

EXACTLY! The people have the means to have their voces heard- the President can only maintain his power by satisfiying the People who vote for him- democracy in this form empowers the individual and prevents the abuses that we see in a dictatorship/monarchy.

Yes, but in today's world, a monarch will be risking by not satisfying people. And again, he would not be a tyrant while he knows for sure that a revolution will occur if people grow tired of him.

SO to sum this up, you just have to stop being stubborn and acknowledge that Monarchy is not necessarily (sp?) slavery. I know that every person has his own beliefs that he cannot change (I, personally, don't need reasons for why monarchy is good, but I can think of those reasons if needed), but please, believe me, Monarchy is NOT slavery. You are looking at monarchy of the medieval times. Those time passed. It's much different today.

#3 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Hey, hey, hey, wait up - Mars is not a country » 2002-06-29 18:58:45

Again sorry for not replying in so long. My connection went down.

In what way would it be emotionally good? Why is it so neccessary?

As I said before, a monarch is a person you can:

a. Look up to.
b. BLame for everything and thus take your anger out on him in private (not that is very good, but at least you stop being so unsure of yourself).
c. Praise for everything and thus raising your spirit.

Personally, setting aside my monarchist belief, I would not go into to battle yelling "For the president" or "for democracy", but rather "For The King/Czar!" or how the famous Russian saying goes "For the Czar, For the Country, For the Church!"
(It's actually "for the belief" but that doesn't sound right in English, I think).

What is the difference? Why should the role of executive be determined by heredity? What sense is there in this? Just becuase one man is good does not mean their children will be good, or better- yet that is what we must expect from a Monarcgy, in any form. A Monarchy is also a statement that certain individuals are chosen by God to rule over Us- how can you establish a seperation of church and state if the executive power is established by a mandate from God?

Difference is a big one. Why do you think the manifest of 1905 saved Russia from the revolution for another 10 years? Most people (at first) didn't even think that there should be anything besides monarchy. After Czar Nicholas II agreed to give up the throne, more than a half of the Russian people wanted a new CZAR and NOT democracy or any other state of government. There was  aproblem when the new Czar refused to take up the throne, and that's what the communists used to "convert" people. As for the children part - that is the weakest part of monarchy, I agree, and I cannot say anything against it. BUT if you noticed, unlike in other countries, the Russian Emperors never were overtyrannical to the people. True, Peter I, Nicholas I, and Alexander III were tough Emperors, but nevertheless, they weren't tyrannical. Basically, "Bloody Sunday" was the greatest mistake of the last Czar - people started to think of him as a Tyrant, and some even called him "Nicholas the Bloody".

As for the church, I don't see why such a separation is needed. In the government of the Russian Empire, the church played an important role, but towards the modern times, its power grew weaker. For example, if in the times of Peter I, the Czar had to ask for a permission to wage war on the enemies, Nicholas II never asked anyone 9except his counselors) to declare war on the German-Austrian alliance.

And I am merely asking you to justify this stance and this belief. I am hoping to learn, not neccessarily teach.

That is what I'm trying to do in all of the posts I posted here.

As long as a monarch maintains a hold on enough neccessary physical force to maintain his rule, the wishes of the general population are meaningless.

We have a problem here. I am saying one thing, you're just declining it and stating your idea. Every monarch was scared of the revolution, because he might loose his power. Revolution is usually made by the lower class. One way of stopping a revolution was to become a tyrant and sink the revolution in blood. That's what the European monarchs prefered most of the times. The Russian Czars, however, never prefered that, and used the other way: to try to make the people happy.

Imagine him as a Monarch- yet in the democracy his rule is prevented peacefully by allowing the Public to decide.

Well, in the french "democracy" people can't really do much, except vote. Otherwise, everything is up to the president. And besides, if they elected a president, they would probably elect a party that is a friend of the president.

Well, anyway, that's a republic. Democracy is when all the people make rules, which happened in Ancient Greece. Currently, I don't know of any country that uses real democracy as a state of government. Only republics. That's like it is with communism. Communism seems good, but it's basically impossible. Almost the same thing with democracy.

That is due to the resources located within the country, and not a direct product of the form of government.

Russia has more resources than Brunei, yet look what's happening to it with its "democracy".

Even uneducated individuals know what they need

Yes, but they don't always know the right ways to do it. And when they do, AND when that way is to tell the Czar, the Czar gives them what they want.

As for what you are trying to demonstrate, you are missing the point- a job denied to everyone is equality- no one gets preferential treatment

Ok, but if you grow up in a society where it's just impossible to grow up to be a Czar I don't think many people want to be one. It's just something that is carved into your head. It's basically called brainwashing, but here it's not on purpose. That's something you grow up with and something you usually never think about it. Now, if you DO, lets see why you might want to do that. To have power. You can achieve the highest rank possible and control the Czar yourself, basically doing anything you want through him. If you're smart, it'll work out. If you're not, it won't, but in order to be a Czar, you have to be smart. That's why mentally disabled heirs to the throne were the last option as a heir. You might want to be the Czar to become famous. Well, there are many ways to become famous. Suvorov, for example. I knew of Suvorov BEFORE I knew about even Peter the Great, and I'm not talking about Boris Godunov or Nicholas II. You might want to do so to make the people of your country to love you, but you can do the same without being a Czar. Vitte, for example, was loved by the people of Russia.
And the Czar could be anyone he wanted, he could even give up the throne if he wanted to. But if he didn't want to give up the throne, that's his problem. He can be whatever he wants to be AND also be the Czar at the same time. Peter the Great, for example, was a Czar, a soldier, a shipbuilder, AND he could speak many languages.

No, in a monarchy, the peasants are the servants of the master- all that they possess belong to the master.

Ahem, no. In absolute monarchy, yes, but in a slightly constitutional monarchy, a Czar had no right to do that. Peasants owned their stuff. Period. If the Czar wanted to take away a peasant's house or whatever, he would make a conspiracy against that person and take it away as they take it away now for breaking a law. But, anyone could tell on another person, so basically, the Czar wasn't very special there. And in Russian monarchy, Czars taking away your stuff just because they wanted to stopped waaaaay before the end of slavery.

In a democracy however this just isn't the case- by exceling at whatever you do, you can attain status- which is not related to the amount of money you aquire.

In a monarchy, by excelling in what you do you can easily purchase a title and move on. It doesn't cost that much. Right now, a title costs $2000 max. Back then it might have costed $5000. But even I can earn that, if I excel in what I do. For example, wealthy peasants (farmers) often bought their titles, but they really didn't need it, since they did farming, got their money, and were happy. They earned as much, and sometimes even more than noblemen did, and really had no use for a title. Craftsmen could easily gain that amount of money if they tried and excelled in what they do. Anyone could. On the other hand, people who didn't, never could gain a title. Noblemen who didn't do good at controlling their lands often lost their money, broke the law and lost their titles. But if you do something good, you can EASILY get to the top if you wanted to.

If the King decides there will be no demonstration, for whatever reason, there willbe no demonstration.

I don't think a smart King would do that. Look at what Nicholas II when he did that.

So only those revolutions that are capable of overcoming a tyrant are good ones? Otherwise, hey, it's not a problem.

That just means that most of the people are still satisfied with the old government.

You are wrong. Even the titled nobility were beholden to the Czar- they were still slaves.

If you are smart, he won't break you. Vitte was smart, and he never was broken. Smart noblemen who know when to be stupid and when to be smart can stay where they are or even achieve higher heights.

Personally, I think that this is going nowhere. We will always have something to argue about and something to respond with to each other. But whatever. I don't know.

#4 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Hey, hey, hey, wait up - Mars is not a country » 2002-05-28 12:56:10

A society of sycophants? Hero worship aside, is this really a credible reason to instutite a form of government that is predicated on a master-slave relationship? While I may be able to accept the rationale that individuals may wish for a "shining leader" while they become acclamated to Mars, isn't it a bit of a jump to instutite this desire as the means to enact public policy?

Not really. I'm not saying worship. And I'm not saying forever. BUT giving the power to the most powerful-mided person would be emotionally good for the people, I think. Probably not absolute monarchy, but constitutional monarchy would be good. Even a monarchy where the King has only a bit more rights than the Queen of England would be good. That's just my theory. You may have yours.

So you would have a society that violently changes administartions? In the system you are suggesting, dissent from the Exeutive, ie the Monarch, is made through usurption of the crown by another who will make the populace more content- wouldn't the wiser course be to instuttite a system whereby people can peacefully affect a change without having to resort to physical force?

No. I mean that by knowing who has the real power, the Monarh will be sort of forced by that thought to try and make the peasants happy.

Shouldn't we demonstrate our knowledge of previous experiences by avoiding systems that are historically unstable?

Who says democracy is stable? Look at what's going on in France right now with the Le Pen guy. Yet look at Brunei where the Monarch is both the Sultan AND the Prime Minister. Brunei, by the way, is a very wealthy country. At least it's average GPA is 7 times greater than that of Russia.

Who is a better judge of what is needed by you, you, or someone else?If we are all human, and all equal (more or less) in capabilities, how is the wisdom of a titled individual more correct than your own?

Those men were uneducated. If the monarch declined what the guy was asking for usually meant that the guy could do everything by himself. BUT stuff like "My landlord is beating me" or "taking bribes" or "being mean" or "raping my wife" or whatever was not overlooked. If enough letters came that landlord was thrown to jail or even sentenced to death, or a person might be sent there to look if those guys weren't lying.

How would you feel about living in a society where you can be anything you want except a Doctor.

Well in this country you can't be a prostiute. Probably if you think more you'll get a good list of jobs you can't be in this country.

No, they were not. The peasants were slaves to the Czar. All that they owned ultimelty belonged to him. If the Czar made a decree that they must gove up their wealth to him, they had no choice but to comply. A slave can own nothing, just as the peasants never really owned anything.

No. Their property was their property after the abolition of slavery. It could be taken away the same way it could be taken away in US. Peasants DID own stuff.

Those who were NOT were just lazy to do anything.

Isn't this a bit of overgeneralization?

Sadly, it's almost not. If you tried to work hard, you could've easily gotten a lot of money, especially during the wars, since food was greatly needed.

Why not? Look at the system they lived in...

That question was answered by my replies above.

There was no "abolition of slavery". there was only an exchange of masters. Instead of many individuals having slaves, there was only ONE individual having slaves- that is the change- yet the slavery still exsists.

Officially, yes. Physically, no. Closer to the end of the XIX century - beginning of the XX century, the Czar didn't really abuse his right in that way. For example, instead of just raising taxes to get money for War (as Peter I did), the government now issued bonds.

Poor does not equate with lazy as many of your statements imply. There are many reasons why someone can be poor that have nothing to do with their work ethic.

It does. There WERE some men who were not able to do anything about their income, especially those who were far away in the east. Yet after the industrialization of Russia, hand-made jobs were highly paid. In fact, some craftsmen made their way to the top very easily - first they earned enough money to ger themselves a little boy who would help. Very soon he could hire more men to help. Then he formed his own company. Then he collected enough money to buy himself  a title. It's almost the same thing people do today, except instead of a title they get a mansion or whatever.

Why communism won was because they said they'll divide the land between everyone evenly. With a lot of land, even poor peasants could easily get enough money. Also, they were envying the wealthy peasant class, so they were glad to see the wealthy man's land taken away.

What do you call a man with ANY master?

That was answered in another answer.

No, in a democracy all people decide together what is the best course of action

All? No. The congress is not all people. And even though we elected them, they don't always make good laws.

...but there is a peaceful way to demonstrate our approval or disapproval with their conduct- no such means exsist in a Monarchy...

No. Demonstrations were allowed in Monarchy. In fact, they were usually listened to.

And if the peasants are unable to overthrow the Czar? What then? Are you condemning them to a life of servitute with no hope of ever breaking free from the slavery? The system you discuss is built on this idea of "overthrowing" the government when it no longer makes the people happy- what if the people are unhappy and still unable to overthrow the government?

THe slavery part I already discussed. And if they failed, that's their own problem, because if they tried they could. The working class was always had the most people. Besides, there was an escape from your so-called slavery - getting a title. THere were many ways to do it, only you needed to try hard enough.

If it was so perfect, why would they have a revolution?

Because it was perfect for the world of the 1890s. Not the 1910s. In the 1890s, no one even THOUGHT about a revolution of any kind, not even the peasants.

Not the Czar's fault? Wasn't he in charge? If the Czar is the one running the show, making the laws, enforcing the rules- dosen't it neccessarily mean everything is his fault?

If a Doctor receives a patient with a new kind of a desease and that patient dies, is it the Doctor's fault?

They were tired of working themselves to death. They were tired of the endless wars they were forced to fight in. They had no right to speak their point of view. So you might say they were tired of being slaves. How can you be a slave and not be oppresed?

Weren't workers in America working themselves to death, too? Wars? Wars happened, but it again was the problem of the new politics. The same reason WWI occured. The people received their right of speech in 1905.

So apparently "writing a letter to the Czar" was not enough. Go figure.

If the Czar knew what was coming, it would've been enough.

P.S. Chill, you don't need to be agressive here.

P.P.S. You need to understand that Russians do not think the same way as Americans do. Communist leaders, for example, for were like Monarchs too. Even some orders of the president today are followed by the people.

#5 Re: Other space advocacy organizations » Colonizing asteroids » 2002-05-26 12:56:51

wow, good point with the miscalculations there. Anyway, I think what they will do is instead of shipping those asteroids to Earth's orbit, they will use some other planet like Jupiter. Jupiter can hold bigger asteroids, too. And if a miscalculation happens, there is nothing on Jupiter that we really care about (excpet for the storm thingie).

#6 Re: Civilization and Culture » Naming Martian Settlements - What would you suggest? » 2002-05-25 12:49:33

SF authors is better. It's enough to have like 50 cities with the same name in the world. We don't need to trash Mars with them.

#7 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Hey, hey, hey, wait up - Mars is not a country » 2002-05-24 22:20:38

Of course you are.  What about those "bad" monarchies? Why allow that possibility?

I did not say we NEED monarchy as a fact. I was just saying that in a new Marsian society people might like to look to some hero-like person who will lead them for some time until they settle and get adjusted to the environment.

Is the Monarch required to read the letters? Is the Monarch required to even Act?

Yes. He is. Otherwise he's risking to be overthrown. You must not forget that although peasants have low poilitical power, they DO HAVE the greatest physical power. I'm sure after the lesson of so many revolutions the Monarchs will be willing to do that. Still, it's up to the Monarch to decide whether the person really needs what he asks. Usually though, it doesn't require much thinking.

So you are advocating for a system that precludes certain people from a position they may want, and forces certain people into a position they may not want- why not simply make it open to everyone so those who wish to do the job are able, and those who do not, do not have to- letting the rest of Society decide who is BEST for the job?

That is a strong point in your post, I must agree. Again, as I said, anyone except the Czar had the possibility to become the "top guy". There were many proffessions available to them, you know.

In fact, most of the peasants in Russia WERE wealthy. Those who were NOT were just lazy to do anything. That is actually true. Most of the peasants prefered blaming the czar for everything. Those who worked hard had a good amount of money, probably higher comparing to the farmers of today. Those men were the blood of the economy. The lazy men were not.

But none of the nobility or the Czar himself is required to represent the will of the people- the peopel exsist only to be ruled, to follow the dictates of their masters- that is what the system you advocate for IS!

Czar is the only master they had since the abolition of slavery by Alexander III. Again, those poor men were lazy and they had to follow their land owners' will because those people gave them money. Wealthy peasants, on the other hand, were independent, and again, had no master except the Czar.

Now if you take a plain normal person in a democracy. Doesn't he has to follow the orders of the president+congress?

No. The Czar had to make the people who maintained his ability to rule through the control of force happy. As long as he had sufficient strength to crush any opposition to his rule, there is no need to even consider the "peasants".

Yes there is. How did the peasants overthrow the government in 1917 then? Every soldier in the army was drafted from the non-nobles. Nobles were already made officers. Thus, without peasants happy, the country will have no:

1. Work Force
2. Military Force
---> 3. Money and Land

As said in the encyclopedia I have (a very good one, too, they talk about history without giving preference to one side or the other), Russia forged and polished its government system for a long time, reaching almost total perfection. It was sort of not the Czar's fault. This worker uprising thing happened for the first time in the world, almost. Right now it DOES seem obvious what to do if that kind of a problem arises. Back then it wasn't. The workers weren't really opressed, they were just tired of working and working and working and war and war and war and no rights of speech.

A light constitution had to be given out earlier. Much earlies. Only a light one. That would've been enough. The right of speech that was given out to the people in 1905 did have some effect - it postponed the revolution until 1917.

#8 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Hey, hey, hey, wait up - Mars is not a country » 2002-05-19 13:04:23

I'm talking about a good Monarchy. Before bloody sunday the Russians PRAYED for the Czar, they loved him, they thought of him as a person who they can depend on, who will support them when they need help. The Russian Empire's hymn said "God save the Czar... blah blah blah... Help the protector of the weak....". People thought exactly like that, because before you could write a letter to the Czar asking him to do something. For example, if the nobleman you were working for was mean and stuff, you could write a letter to the Czar and he would punish the nobleman. That really happened. In fact, most of the Day the Czar spent on reading these letters.

Now why am I comparing noblemen and peasants to wealthy/poor people? Because basically, if in Monarchy a peasant couldn't become a Czar, in Democracy, it's very hard for a poor person to become the president for one simple reason. They don't have the appropriate education. Most of them.

As for the only one family being the Royal Family... being a Czar is WAY harder than being a president and not everyone wished to be the Czar. I personally don't want to be that. I'd rather be his advisor or something. Nicholas II called his Crow his Cross. He said it was his burden and he had to do it although he did not wish to. All the Czars are very hard workers. Peter the Great slept for only 3-4 hours a day, sometimes he didn't sleep at all. He had that much work.

And as I said, poor men are NOT depended on the noblemen to represent their views. They can just write to the Czar. That is their God-given right.

Besides, not all noblemen had power. You could be wealthy and have many servants, but have no political power whatsoever. In order to gain it you had to climb up the political ladder. Which means you had to start out as some low-rank person and by hard work achieve higher-level ranks.

Vitte, for example, started out as an unknown railroad station manager. But when Nicholas II was traveling around the country, his train was going very fast and Vitte warned the Monarh that it's dangerous, because the rails are not completely finished yet. The Czar didn't listen and his train went off the tracks. The family barely survived. Nicholas remembered that Vitte warned him and raised him in ranks very quickly. Thus Vitte became the most important politician in the country. He issued some reforms and by the 1870s, Russia was one of the economically leading powers in Europe. Nicholas then started to dislike Vitte, because he seemed to outsmart the Czar. So the Czar "fired" Vitte but later was almost forced to bring him back. And then again he fired Vitte. But Vitte was strong enough to get back into politics.

And almost all politicians started out like that. They HAD to be low-ranked before they actually became important men.

So every class had its power in its own way. The Czar issued the rules. The politicians helped him. The noblemen made sure the peasants are working enough, but not too much. The noblemen also paid the tax from their wealth. The peasants "punished" the evil noblemen and as we could see also could overthrow the ruler if they disliked him. Thus the Czar had to make sure that everyone is happy.

Again, sorry, my post is a little disorganized. I'm just very tired of everything (I need to think and solve problems too much lately) so it's hard to me write something well-organized and well-written. sad

#9 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Hey, hey, hey, wait up - Mars is not a country » 2002-05-16 16:25:10

although democracy does sound better, it's a bit different - the wealthy class rules the world. Still, though, you can become one of that class if you try.

In Monarchy, the Monarh is a respected man, loved by his country. Al least in Russia it was so until 1905 (the Bloody Sunday). Although the population is still divided into classes, there is a great possibility of succeeding. For example, shortly after Alexander II, in Russia, restrictions as to a rank of a person did not exist. Yet, any person with the rank of Leutenant or higher was supposed to be a noble. Thus any man successful enough to be raised into the rank of Leutenant became a noble. The noblemanship was not passed onto his decendants and neither did this man receive any special title, but I think Generals could pass on their noblemanship (I'm not sure though) and usually by that time they received some kind of a special medal from the Czar giving them a title.

The only problem with that was that a non-noble could not achieve anything without going to the army. Still, once he's a noble the doors of court and civilian positions were open to him. Then he could achieve the same by climbing the ladder.

Of, course, poor men still will have a much harder time getting what they want, but so it is in democracy. Rich people can easily pay for tuitition to good schools, use their influence. Poor people can't.

It still mostly depends on the people. THe European monarhs were very mean to their people. The Czars, on the other hand, were not as brutal. In fact, only two Czars are most famous for their strictness - Ivan IV the Terrible and Peter I the Great. Still, they were so mean out of need - the people were at their highest level of "illegalness". And Russians are used to following ONE man, while other countries dislike giving others that power. Still, I think, colonists in space will need one man to look up to, at least for some time.

Hope that all made sense, I'm not in an english-writing mood right now.

#10 Re: Water on Mars » Water ice on Mars. - Elaborate breakdown of the polar caps. » 2002-05-15 17:58:23

maybe it's just me, but I feel like saying "you're full of shit". Or, maybe, "Those sites are full of shit". No offense, but it's true.

#11 Re: Other space advocacy organizations » Colonizing asteroids » 2002-05-11 15:04:10

or mars... Mars is so rich in Iron that it'll take millions of years to mine it all out. And since it's dead anyway... I think Mars will be an industrial planet if we ever colonize it.

#12 Re: Other space advocacy organizations » Colonizing asteroids » 2002-05-10 20:04:36

Yes indeed. Although I never heard of mining steroids. Well anyway. I think colonizing asteroids is as pointless as colonozing comets, and almost as dangerous.

#13 Re: Other space advocacy organizations » Colonizing asteroids » 2002-05-08 16:21:09

Good point there. One thing though, why do we need to colonize asteroids? They are just flying around and we don't have any control over them...

#14 Re: Other space advocacy organizations » Colonizing asteroids » 2002-05-07 16:53:44

my list of favorites grows longer and longer every day. heh.

#15 Re: Human missions » Mars Mission. Step 1 » 2002-05-07 16:46:35

Did you want to new zealand? Australia? Brazil? Russia? Wherever? I sure did. And I think to see a new PLANET, not a new COUNTRY, however the same it might be, will be worth a two-month living in increasing gravity conditions.

#16 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Hey, hey, hey, wait up - Mars is not a country » 2002-05-05 12:45:40

monarchy in England is not monarchy, actually. By monarchy I mean a givernment where the ruler has most of the power, if not all of the power. In England physically he almost has none but still stays an important political figure.

And what is KSR?

#17 Re: Space Policy » A March on The Capitol » 2002-05-04 15:04:15

LOL! hehehe, that made me laugh. You know, making me the Tsar won't be such a bad idea! Yeah, well anyway. Good that you support us.  wink

#18 Re: Space Policy » A March on The Capitol » 2002-05-04 13:22:56

I support that. It would be hard to get all the "marsians" to the capitol city though.

#19 Re: Other space advocacy organizations » Colonizing asteroids » 2002-05-03 15:15:48

Here is an interesting webpage (skimmed through it, so don't blame me if it's bs). Tells how to colonize asteroids. :0

#20 Re: Human missions » Mars Mission. Step 1 » 2002-05-03 14:56:18

If we develop artificial gravity by the time we colonize Mars I think children born on Mars should go through a few months of adjusting to higher gravity by slowly increasing it. And anyway, even those children and grown-ups who never leave Mars should go through this kind of a therapy every now and then to increase bone and muscle strength.

P.S. Sorry about all that bragging. Internet in Russia is very expensive and since I couldn't afford a magazine subscription, everything I knew was from books. When I came to US I was barely interested in science at all, and only now my interest in it came back. Thus I missed a lot of new inventions, etc.

#21 Re: Human missions » Mars Mission. Step 1 » 2002-05-02 21:31:39

Ahem. Gravity does not make your bones weak. Gravity is the pull of any object. Mars' gravity is weak, and that means that probably the martians will be easily jumping around. It will be hard for them (at first) to walk on Earth, because they have to use more force to move their legs. Probably children on Mars WILL have weaker leg muscles.
As for weak bones and muscles other than on legs, that's not true. At least, according to science it's not. For such stuff to develop you need the martian low atmospheric pressure. But, I hope, humanity will be able to fix that.

#22 Re: Human missions » Mars Mission. Step 1 » 2002-05-02 13:52:01

umm, no. As long as mutations don't happen, your weight will be normal on Earth and very light on Mars. THeir weigth will not be measured, but their MASS will. Mass, as you know, is the same anywhere. Of course, it will take you some time to adjust to more gravity, but you certainly won't weight 180 pounds on Earth if your mass is not 180 pounds.

#23 Re: Human missions » If we start a crash program today.... - Earth to Mars timeframe? » 2002-05-02 13:45:47

I guess so. 10 years minimum, but I'm afraid no one's going to do that. So as a representative of the "new generation", I'm afraid if I ever go to Mars I'll be 40 years old by then.

#24 Re: Meta New Mars » Your comments are wanted! » 2002-05-01 15:45:44

I know. I run one small monarchist site without any articles (yet) and it's already hard for me. smile

BTW, I have an idea: you should add a mars information site or something like that where you can collect info on Mars.

#25 Re: Mars Society International » How and what to join? - Not really sure about the forum, but... » 2002-05-01 13:52:49

yeah, I looked at that list, but the problem is that I have to pay, and I'm short on money right now. I have planned out what to buy, so probably until august I won't be able to join and then if everything goes fine I'm leaving to a boarding school on Sept. 4th. Won't be able to do much in one month. But, yeah, you're right, the Russian Chapter site sucks and if they accept me I'll ofer them my help.

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