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#1 Re: Other space advocacy organizations » International Space Agency?!? Yes? No? Maybe? » 2005-12-16 01:04:29

I am crazy. But then, I'm not the one calling *you* a CIA agent or claiming there is a vast conspiracy of global proprotions set out against me. I mean, there could be, but I don't go around claiming it.  lol It's probably only regional anyway.

Anyway, Mr. Dobson, you are not important enough to warrant a conspiracy against. The only reason anyone gangs up on you is simply because you are annoying and obnoxious. You have few redeeming qualities, or, at least if you do, they have not been demonstrated.

You are combative, closed minded, and unwilling to approach any subject from any perspective other than your own. You are an adult, yet demonstrate that you are incapable of dealing with any type of critque or critiscims of your ideas in anything but an immature manner.

In effect, you are here, with a chip on your shoulder, looking for attention. If you want attention, you have it. Here it is, attention. See, you are being noticed. You seem so desperate for human interaction, any kind, here it is. Look, this is what it will always be like. Why? Because you are an anti-social chump that probably smells. This is all you will have. This is all is will ever be like unless you change how you choose to interact with others.

You think you might have learned by now, but I'm guessing you were home schooled and never had the opportunity to learn some social skills. Only child too I bet. Don't worry, you can safely blame it all on your parents, assuming of course you actually know who they are.

In short, stay crazy, but grow the f*ck up.

Please!  And Your Mommy Wears Combat Boots!
Get A Life!

#2 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » What Type Of Government Should Mars Have?? - Mars Government » 2005-12-16 01:01:25

Yes Mars will always start with a degree of autonomy. It cannot be micromanaged from Earth like we can do in LEO or even the Moon but then again also those on the planet will be forced to rely on themselves as it would also take the "cavalry" a long time to come and pull there fat out of the fire and this will also influence thinking.

The best analogy is that of the European colonies in the 19th century where due to the speed of the only transport in this case steamships the colony was run by a governor appointed from Europe. This was also the main way the Romans ran there empire too. But unlike the Romans the Europeans and the Mars colony would be able to send messages to home a lot faster than it takes for a person to actually arive. Of course this wont be true one to one communication but messages would be able to offer advice and practical suggestions as well, Also of course there will be the stupid ones too as often only the man on the ground has an idea of what is actually going on, He also has a tendency to be close to the problem too so Earth will benefit a Mars colony as a place removed and able to see a problem with clarity.

Interesting?

#3 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Vision & Dreams! -MEET- Power & Greed! » 2005-12-16 00:59:21

Please!  You make me cry!
NOT!  You make me like steel from soft iron!
There are many who support ISA, and that support is growing!
Your lies and name calling only makes ISA stronger!

#4 Re: Human missions » What should be the focus of human space society/exploration? » 2005-12-16 00:54:45

We are glad to see that this topic has finally started to address the important topic of this post!

And not wasteful destructive non-sence!

This is indeed an important topic to debate and discuss, and is why it was started in the first place!

I would very much like to participate, but if I tried, I would only be attacked, slandered, and demeaned, and this would distract from the good debate underway!

I support this debate, and am enjoying the input by many persons from different viewpoints!

Ad-Astar!  To The Stars!

That is after all the whole point of this post!

I hope you all enjoy this post, and its contibutions to thought and debate.

In Peace For All Mankind!
So Say We All!

#5 Re: Human missions » International Space Plane (ISP) Assisted Launch Program » 2005-12-16 00:46:01

hey mods, could we prehaps get ISAs account blocked or something?

Purdues, United States Airforce, Guy!

Censorship! Censorship! Censorship! Censorship!

From a member of the United States Airforce no less, SHAME ON YOU!
Above all the others!

This is the very thing the President Eisenhower warned about!

As a former member of the United States of America, Naval Aviation, who fought for the Ideas Of Freedom, I find that the comments of a Purdues, United States Airforce, Guy, as a violation and betrayal of his sworn oath "Under God" as a member of the U.S. Armed Forces to Protect Freedom.

SHAME!  SHAME!  SMAME!

The Military Now Sees Its Own Citizens As The Enemy, and a future Civil War will surely result if this is not stopped.  The Military serves the Citizens, not the other way around.  The NAZIs tried that, and see where that got them!

#6 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Vision & Dreams! -MEET- Power & Greed! » 2005-12-10 18:57:35

Vision & Dreams! -MEET- Power & Greed!

We at the International Space Agency, like most space organizations and space activists & enthusiasts, hope to see Humanity enter the Space Frontier in Meaningful & Peaceful Ways with in the Very Near Future.

However the reality of human nature, politics, military, and profits are, and have been for 20 years, standing in the way.

*Hello, welcome to New Mars.  Yes.  And unfortunately the realities of human nature will likely persist (stand in the way).  I think you're correct in boiling it down to "dreams and visions" vs. "power and greed."  And it seems power and greed nearly always win out.  Something can begin based on a dream or in a visionary sort of way; noble and with good intentions, and then the rats swarm in...

What about those Snobbish Academics with 50 Degrees, who think they are gods gift to the world! And the rest of the world is dumb helpless heathen?! Lets see, ah thats right! What about Benjamin Franklin, Edison, Tucker, Singer, Hughes, Graham Bell, Wright Brothers, and other Inventors, Visionaries, and Dreamers. Do not misunderstand me, I have great respect for those who are lucky or privileged enough to get a formal education.

Ben Franklin doesn't really, IMO, belong in that class.  He was, for his time, born on "the wrong side of the tracks"; very humble birth, not at all in the social classes of Washington or Jefferson.  Franklin associated/identified himself much more readily with the "common" workaday person than the pretentious and vain upperclassmen, and wasn't a snob.  He was simply a brilliant genius who stood out and shone -- from everyone.

If, and Only If!, Its One For All, And All For One!

When we stop name calling, pointing fingers, and chest thumping, we will already be on our way to Mars, and Much, Much, Much More!

I for one would like to see a unifying factor within space advocacy.  Unfortunately we've seen plenty of people tossing over Mars in favor of Luna (regardless of any Presidential "initiatives", etc.).  There are other examples.

--Cindy

Cindy, Palomar

You are a dove among vultures.

I hope you stay positive.

I also used to be a dove, but, have sadly, had to be an eagle with claws to contend with the vultures.

They, and there fellow vulture brothers, will never let a new idea which they do not control or influence, ever go free of attack and slander.

The International Space Agency, and all it represents, presents a threat to those who presently weld power in the space community.

These are mostly, the United States, Russia, Key ESA Members, and now China.

They do not want to share power, they wish only to dominate.

They do not want to cooperate or colaborate, as this is a vile thought to them, and their agenda to control for their own selfish purposes, even at the very danger to humanity as a whole.

Pick up a video called "SKULLS" which is a video about groups like Skull & Bones at Yale.  There are many such groups of many flavors and in many countries.

This is how power is welded in Society, Past, Present, and Future.

This culture of secrete societies, the Heads, is totally invested into the space community, because anything to do with space either has Military Uses, or is controled by the Military.

The best we Tails can ever hope to achieve, is to stay informed, stay alert to disinformation & propoganda, and to never give up in the face of adversity.

We Commoners, the Tails do have power, as the Secrete Societies, the Heads, always must contend with each other, other secrete societies, in secrete battles for power that most Commoners never know exist and likely will never will, as well as with in these Secrete Societies there are always the White Knights and the Black Knights battling it out for control and influence.

These people, the Secrete Societies the Heads, who control and manipulate the Space Community and Space Societies, are always present on these message boards keeping the peasents, us Commoners the Tails, in line, and under control.

Propose something which threatens their control and power, and the will Slander and Defame you, count on it.

The Doves must remember these vultures are here, and to be ever alert so as not to be used as an unwitting pawn in their games and slanderous activities.

Think, Question, Learn, Explore!

Cindy, Palomar

Our Best Regards!

The ISA Global Team

Ad-Astra!  To The Stars!
In Peace For All Mankind!
So Say We All!

#7 Re: Intelligent Alien Life » First Contact » 2005-12-08 04:33:49

Hello,

Recently, I've seen a History Channel program that talked about the possible first contact protocols developed by governments and private groups. I'd like to know what you folks think would be a good first contact procedure, assuming that an alien civilization would send an embassy team to Earth in the near future.

Cordially,

EarthWolf

We have a very good first contact procedure which has worked very well for a very long time!

It is called "TOP SECRETE" & "EYES ONLY" and tell anyone anything, and your ruined "Besides No One Will Believe You If You Did Tell Someone!" or just one day no one knows where you went?!

#8 Re: Space Policy » Idea - Infiltration » 2005-12-08 04:22:47

I was talking to my mate and he suggested that maybe we could inflitrate lower levels in politics, if we join forces with other space groups, and try to pull some strings. It's a bit absurd but I'm bored. tongue

Just chucking around ideas.
What are your thoughts?

Do Un To Others As They Do Un To You!  Good Idea!  :-)

Infiltrate the big boys, when they already have you infiltrated!?  ;-)

Getting other space groups to work together?  Good Luck!  :-(

Pulling strings?  Be careful, as those strings are spring loaded!

Bored, what have you done to support the Space Effort?

Absurd, yep, because you would never infiltrate the big boys!
As I already said, they already have you infiltrated, so why
would that bother them in any way?  They would just send you
on a wild goose chase or manipulate you.

Words are easy, but action, that is another matter all together!

Good Luck!  And keep your head down!  Lest it be chopped off!  ;-)

#9 Re: Other space advocacy organizations » International Space Agency?!? Yes? No? Maybe? » 2005-12-08 04:04:40

Rxke,

Yes, please know that no one at ISA has said anything bad about you.

And, yes, we thank you for your help!

#10 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Vision & Dreams! -MEET- Power & Greed! » 2005-12-08 03:59:14

Oh boy, now Ricky has latched onto the "CIA goons after me are satanists" and "ISA = Space = God"

ISA is more than just Ricky Ticky Tavy, and is growing every day, in spite of your best efforts, and those like you!

ISA has computer resources which are indeed used by more than just Ricky!

So, what makes you think that I, or any of the ISA Global Team or ISA Supporters, are always Ricky?

ISA does = Space, and yes most in ISA are men & women who believe in "God" and a Creator.

But we do also know that GCNRevenger = Troll

#11 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » What Type Of Government Should Mars Have?? - Mars Government » 2005-12-08 03:45:50

Speak truth to power!

Power does not seek or speak Truth?!

Only seeks more Power and will speak anything to get it!!

So why would anyone want to speak Truth to Power!?

Just a waste of time and effort.

#12 Re: Human missions » What should be the focus of human space society/exploration? » 2005-12-08 03:38:44

Commodore:  I know we've discussed the lunar mass driver before.  I can't remember the exact details but I believe your electromagnetic launcher has to be miles long in order to build up enough speed to escape the moon.

Wouldn't a lunar space elevator be better?

An elevator would be best for things that do not take kindly to high acceleration or high gs. After a year on 1/6g I don't think I'd put crews through a sudden high g ride. But for dead weight its the ideal solution, at least untill an elevator is up. Its relatively simple to contruct and could be done pretty early on.

The trouble with the elevator is it would require an anchor. You'll spend decades launching enough mass from Earth to do it. An effort to bring one anywhere near earth would have to be a highly controlled and extremely difficult under any circumstance. One could agrue you would need the moon with mass drivers to launch either the mass, or perhapes the fuel to propell it, if thats even possible. Certainly a worthy goal, but something that would not be needed right off to acheive other goals, and would be easier if we do other things first.

Commodore,

A Mass Driver, ie: Magnetic Repulsor Technology, ie: Rail Gun, would not only be important for moving raw materials, but also in launching space craft from the surface of Luna and Mars.  This technology only requires the launch system (Ramp & Repulsors) and a power source (Nuclear Preferred).  This system would not have the restraints of a chemical fuel system or technology, once built and in operation.

This can also be used on the Earth as a First Stage Launch Element for SSTO Reusable Space Planes.
http://www.international-spaceplane-program.org

A Mass Driver, ie: Magnetic Repulsor Technology, can also be used to move materials, space ships, and space facilities around the asteroid belt, using the materials in the asteroid belt as a propulsion mass.

I support your ideas for a Mass Driver, ie: Magnetic Repulsor Technology, as this will give great capability for range and transit in our solar system.

Large asteroids can act as a core structure on, and in, which manufacturing and operations bases can be established in a safe and shielded environment.

Also, asteroids and near Earth orbiting large objects can be used by space ships to latch on to with tow lines and sling shot space craft or push off in a desired direction, using the mass of these large objects.

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