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#1 Re: Meta New Mars » Active Members Of New Mars Please Vote! » 2005-12-15 23:02:23

Using all that red, you know, that's baaaad commie stuff, you know?

Clark was right, this is fun!

RobertDyck has been very polite in the way he brought up the issue, and again you start foaming at the mouth, yelling CIACONSPIRACY!!!!!!

HAHAHA! he changed the text color with the edit, didn't he???

If you sent the emails or not Ricky, it should be your responsability as the owner of the ISA name to clear it, namely, by sending out emails that correct the mistruthes that "TheMan" sent out in your name.

Edit: "Last edited by International-Space-Agenc on Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:59 am; edited 1 time in total"

Hey Ricky! Who's trying to Decieve and Manipulate now, since you are changing your own posts to decieve others!

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refuted his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred. to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

— John Hancock

New Hampshire:
Josiah Bartlett, William Whipple, Matthew Thornton

Massachusetts:
John Hancock, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Robert Treat Paine, Elbridge Gerry

Rhode Island:
Stephen Hopkins, William Ellery

Connecticut:
Roger Sherman, Samuel Huntington, William Williams, Oliver Wolcott

New York:
William Floyd, Philip Livingston, Francis Lewis, Lewis Morris

New Jersey:
Richard Stockton, John Witherspoon, Francis Hopkinson, John Hart, Abraham Clark

Pennsylvania:
Robert Morris, Benjamin Rush, Benjamin Franklin, John Morton, George Clymer, James Smith, George Taylor, James Wilson, George Ross

Delaware:
Caesar Rodney, George Read, Thomas McKean

Maryland:
Samuel Chase, William Paca, Thomas Stone, Charles Carroll of Carrollton

Virginia:
George Wythe, Richard Henry Lee, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Harrison, Thomas Nelson, Jr., Francis Lightfoot Lee, Carter Braxton

North Carolina:
William Hooper, Joseph Hewes, John Penn

South Carolina:
Edward Rutledge, Thomas Heyward, Jr., Thomas Lynch, Jr., Arthur Middleton

Georgia:
Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, George Walton

#2 Re: Meta New Mars » Spammer » 2005-12-14 12:24:22

(smug face)

I just kicked out my first spammer! (Qolyan)


Mwuahahaha!

_________________
The Mars Society and your great leader sold their sole to the devil, and now if they do not tow the line, they will be swamped, and all funding will be revoked in a heart beat. (c) sdc1

Rxke, Good Job Little Buddy!  Dr. Zubrin and the Zubrinites will be proud!  wink

Here is some more SPAM for you to chew on!  roll

The Future Mars Society at Work!:
http://www.ushmm.org/outreach/propag.htm

The Mars Society and Propaganda:
http://www.chgs.umn.edu/Educational_Res … ganda.html

Some SPAM has more FAT than OTHERS!

Thanks for deleting and altering the International Space Agency listings on the New Mars Wiki!  NOT!   :evil:

Ad-Astra!  To The Stars!
In Peace For All Humanity!
So Say We All!

#3 Re: Meta New Mars » Spammer » 2005-12-14 12:14:43

Must...resist...temptation... Must...not...go....over...to...the...dark....side...


Bwuaahaha!!!

_________________
The Mars Society and your great leader sold their sole to the devil, and now if they do not tow the line, they will be swamped, and all funding will be revoked in a heart beat. (c) sdc1
  :shock:

Rxke, thanks for telling the masses the truth!   roll

Rock stars love roaddies like you, Mr. Zubrin must be proud!  wink

Personally, I will only continue to support the MS if it supports a ruthless colonization and terraformation of Mars.

*Hi.  Are you a registered, dues-paying member of the Mars Society?  I am, for 2-1/4 years now.  If your answer is "no," then how do you perceive yourself as "supporting" the Mars Society?  I mean -other than- via words (i.e., registering at this forum and sharing your views  -- which you are certainly entitled to do, of course)?  smile

It seems that (pardon me if I'm in error) you are framing your statements within the context of membership.  I'd prefer only actual members do that, especially when it comes to the sometimes "touchy" topic of terraforming.

And in my opinion, "ruthless" measures by humans (throughout history, irregardless of geographical location or race) usually if not always leads to misery and failure. 

--Cindy   smile

Cindy,

"*Hi.  Are you a registered, dues-paying member of the Mars Society?  I am, for 2-1/4 years now."

The International Space Agency, and a number of its Board Members were at one time DUE PAYING MEMBERS of the MARS SOCIETY.

However, after Zubrin, and his Government Secrete Society Colleagues, attacked and slandered the Founder of the International Space Agency, and its ( DUE PAYING MEMBERS of the MARS SOCIETY ), we are no longer ( DUE PAYING MEMBERS of the MARS SOCIETY )!!

Cindy, why don't you ask your good freinds the Zubrins, if the International Space Agency was a due paying member or not??

If you like we can post a scanned copy of the donation reciepts to the MARS SOCIETY from the Corporate Visa Accounts for the International Space Agency if you would like!?  In all we gave $1214 in Donations over a 5 year period!

For that support, we get attacked, slandered, and censored by the MARS SOCIETY!

Zubrin has generated hate, because he has not kept his people in line, or better yet turned his attack dogs onto those who stand in his way!

The International Space Agency was in negotiations to have an Officer of the Mars Society join the Board of Directors of the International Space Agency, and this was destroyed by Government Dirty Tricks!  They intercepted communications between the Mars Society and the International Space Agency, and altered and fabercated false messages, which triggered a major incident!  Before both sides were aware of what was done, it was too late, and a war between the Mars Society and the International Space Agency was started!  And seems it continues to the present day!

This is a direct reflection on the Zubrins, firstly because they never attempted to correct this incident or even investigate it, secondly because they turned against due paying supporters of the Mars Society, both of which shows the Zubrins have an agenda, and are in bed with the Government, ie: NASA and DOD!

They use the Mars Society supporters like cash cows!  They do not care about the Mars Society supporters!  Ever tried to get a reply from the Zubrins?  You never will, as they will take your money lickty split, and then see you later dummy.

Cindy, like I said before, praise be to the Doves!

But my dear, learn whom and what you are supporting before you become a hollow sacrifice for someone elses agenda and gain!

The International Space Agency is a Noble & Historic effort, and the fact the Mars Society has not supported this, shows that it is not as good meaning an organization as it advertises to be!

Humanity will never get into space in any Scale or Scope without a focused Global Effort!  This is just a real fact.  The United Nations is not the proper organization to do this.  Also, the Nations will never cooperate willingly do to the lust for power and control, and so a neutral International Space Agency is needed to funnel Government & Private resources and efforts in a focused, organized, and peaceful manner, or nothing of scale and scope will ever happen, never.

That is a very real fact!

That is why the Founder of the International Space Agency, and the ISA vision and efforts have been so ruthlessly attacked and slandered by the powers at be, which is clear Zubrin has laid in bed with!

It is clear Zubrin has sold his sole to the Devil for Fame & Money!
Sooner or later, he will have to pay the Devil his dues, or more likely when the Devil is done with him or no longer needs him, Mr. Zubrin will find himself, like Mr. Dobson, under attack and slander.  That is Mr. Zubrins fate oneday, its not a matter of IF?, its only a matter of WHEN!

Cindy!  Best Regards!

Ad-Astra!  To The Stars!
In Peace For All Humanity!
So Say We All!

#4 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Vision & Dreams! -MEET- Power & Greed! » 2005-12-10 22:25:47

I know I should usually ignore trolls, but you dued have seriously lost it.  You should seek help and get away from the keyboard, seriously.  Accusing random people on the internet of being members of the Skull and Bones society?  You give us to much credit, we are the normal every-day kinds of jerks, not the world dominating secret society having kind...

Or are we  8)

Seriously though, seek some help man, you are seriously delusional and paranoid.  And these webforms are just feeding into that problem.  They have some really good medications now that can help.

----

On another note, the admins should just ban him and his 4+ alter egos.  For his own good.

Yes, Mr. Austin Powers, you would love that, wouldnt you!

Me, a Troll?!  Please, nice try donkey 007.
Sorry, the fart, you know the bad smell, in the room aint me!

My 4 identities, please!

They tell me that folks like you, you know the government creeps, do not come here with several user names and bully people making people think they have a majority, when in fact its just one agent manipulating people, and group think.

You are a good example of that!

Ban and Censor the Troll!
When in fact you are the Troll.

I, or any of the ISA folks, have never attacked or slandered anyone here, or anywhere else, but in fact have been the victoms of government creeps and agencts like you time, and time again.

Our responces have been only in reply to slander, propaganda, and lies.

You are the vanguard of the government creeps who come here with many user names, and decieve and manipulate these good people, who do not know you as we do.

We have endured about 50 slanders here on this board in just the last few days, of which no action was taken or said, and the continued slander was finally met with a terse reply, outing you evil little turds.

The action should be taken against you and the other ataganosts and trolls, but it will not, as this message board is controled by those who are benefiting from this.

And so the evil continues.

If the Mars Society was really the good meaning organization it make people think it is, then they would enforce a policy of no-slander and troll attacks.

But they not only allow it, but they encourage it.

Why, because the Mars Society and your great leader sold their sole to the devil, and now if they do not tow the line, they will be swamped, and all funding will be revoked in a heart beat.

So, they allow attacks on the International Space Agency, and any one who supports it, because their masters tell them so.  So you and your evil brothers are turned loose and allowed to do as much damage as possible, with no restraints.

To date over 1 million posts and news stories about the International Space Agency have been sensored by you and your Skull & Bones buddies.

Be a part of evil and sell your sole to get good jobs and acceptance, and one day you will have to pay the reaper his just rewards.

Every single post by the International Space Agency and our supportes here, all very positive and worthy topics, have been routinely slandered and ruined by you and your secrete society cronies.

This has not only been allowed by the CIA/NASA sell outs here at the Mars Society, but has been encouraged and supported.

Enter our posts, slander and destroy, and then Censore it!

Standard operating proceedure for you folks.

People like you cause deep seeded hate, strife, and wars, and it is always the little people who pay the price as you hide in your secrete places eating $100 meals on gold dishes.

You and your secrete society cronies push people to violence and eg people on to tear each others eyes out as you stand back and enjoy your evil deeds.

You control the media so the little guy will never have a voice, you control the courts so the little guy will never have even a remote chance for justice, and you control the banks so the little guy will never have even a slight chance to succeed.

Why dont you crawl back into your secrete hiding place, from where you slithered from.

I, or any of the International Space Agency people never attacked anyone here, and in fact where attacked over and over again, to the point that any conversation or meaningful debate was impossible!

It is you, my CIA freind that needs to leave, and go bother someone else.

The only trouble here so far has been you and your CIA/NASA cronies, not I, or any of the ISA folks.

You, and those like you, enjoy attacking and slandering people in places like this, because you feel safe and protected hiding behind your fake usernames and identities.

If we were in the same room now, you would likely get a black eye or bloody nose.

You are sneaky little cowards, hiding in your secrete little hiding places.

Someday, I assure you, you will reap what you have sowed, and those whom deal with you one day will likely not be good natured and honorable like I, or the ISA folks.

Christ warned!

Do Un To Others As You Would Have Them Do Un To You!

or better said!

Live By The Sword Die By The Sword!

I would rather spend my time here talking about humanities great opportunities in the Vast New Space Frontier.

But instead, I have to waste my time with evil spirited nim wits like you.

I say a very special prayer for your type!

Lord, I Pray, Give Unto These, As They Give Unto Others! Ahem!

Powerful Prayer, and may it find you in your secrete hiding place.

#5 Re: Human missions » What should be the focus of human space society/exploration? » 2005-12-09 19:31:34

SC wire is not magical, you can't make an SC wire infinatly thin and transmit an infinite amount of current. Infact, they really aren't much thinner then normal cable when you add in the extra cladding. SC "wire" isn't really wire at all actually, its a solid with the consistancy of pencil lead, which is compressed under high pressure into the core of conventional metal wire. Then, these thin strands of SC wire are rolled into a single cable like ordinary wire. The usual metal for the cladding, by the way, is solid metalic silver. Even copper-clat SC wire, we're talking tens of billions of dollars... and thats just to buy it, not to get it there.

The distance that SC wire can conduct electricity isn't infinite either, since the SC wire contains imperfections. A perfect wire is impossible, simply installing it is bound to cause imperfections. As you add more and more cable, you add more and more imperfections along the entire network, which decreases the amount and consistancy of electricity available more and more.

A solar farm every 10km? Um.. thats like 1,100 solar farms. You want to build a farm big enough to power a base or a mining operation or whatever eleven hundred times over... because you don't want to put your base near the poles? That doesn't make any sense at all!

It would be much, much better just to build your base near one of the poles, or else have a large nuclear reactor built for each and every base. Remember, you can only operate a small number of these installations at a time.

"but the potential for there use is incredible"

No, it really isn't. This is a pretty bad idea.

No! Bad GCNRevenger Troll! Bad GCNRevenger Troll! Go Home!

ie: No! Bad Grasshopper!  Bad Grasshopper! Go Home!

Ref: http://www.fortunecity.com/bennyhills/p … dot39.htm#
Ref: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/ … e/Atta.htm

#6 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Vision & Dreams! -MEET- Power & Greed! » 2005-12-08 15:37:34

The Masons?  Know a few of them, they are not against ISA.

The Masons, like George Washington, and most of the Founding
Fathers, built America.  They believe in God, and serve humanity.
I am not a Mason, and would never join a secrete society.
Philosophers have a code about joining any group, they do not
join any groups, as this clouds the ability to think outside the box.
You know the loyalty and secrete hand shakes create a conflict
of interest in the free thought area.  Can not go against the
brotherhood you know!

When you think because you hide in the shadows using fake names
and striking out at others, just know that any idea or vision has
supporters and enemies.  If you think you can out wit and abuse
a simple Philosopher who is meek and humble, and get away with
it, be warned there are big fish out there with teeth, who can find
you if they really want too, and will do unto others as you do un
to them.  In a more down to Earth and simple phrase, "What Goes
Around Comes Around!"

#7 Re: Human missions » What should be the focus of human space society/exploration? » 2005-11-29 14:30:36

Evil In Sheeps Clothing!

http://www.newmars.com/forums/viewtopic … 4226#84226

Attack and destroy what you do not understand!

Defame and slander what you cannot control or manipulate!

Spread lies and propaganda to manipulate the unsuspecting!

Same People!  Same Evil!  Sad! Very Sad Indeed!

This is why humans will always kill and destroy each other!

The only way to pry the aristocrats and secrete societies off the back of good in this world, is they need to be exposed and destroyed!

The forefathers of America knew this, and had no choice but to fight against this evil of privileged aristocrats and secrete societies.

Anywhere on the internet where large numbers of people come or gather to talk about new ideas and a new and better future for humanity, like here on NewMars, this evil will come and influence the thinking and minds of those who are unaware of their presence or not savvy enough to identify these evil wolves hiding in sheep’s cloths.

True space activist are very few anymore, and today are replaced by propaganda agents and front organizations acting for the interests of Government & Mega-Corporations!

The internet, and indeed space message boards like NewMars, is supposed to be a forum to explore new ideas and options in the public conscience.  However, these are ever more controlled and manipulated by powerful Government & Mega-Corporations and their agents who hide out in these places to attack any idea, person, or organization, which poses a threat to their control and power.

We need more space activists, and less secrete agents!

Don't be fooled and deceived by propaganda and lies!

Wake up!  Learn to think, and try to ignore those who seek to deceive and use you for evil purposes.

Evil never likes to be exposed!

#8 Re: Martian Politics and Economy » Vision & Dreams! -MEET- Power & Greed! » 2005-11-29 14:29:04

Evil In Sheeps Clothing!

http://www.newmars.com/forums/viewtopic … 4226#84226

Attack and destroy what you do not understand!

Defame and slander what you cannot control or manipulate!

Spread lies and propaganda to manipulate the unsuspecting!

Same People!  Same Evil!  Sad! Very Sad Indeed!

This is why humans will always kill and destroy each other!

The only way to pry the aristocrats and secrete societies off the back of good in this world, is they need to be exposed and destroyed!

The forefathers of America knew this, and had no choice but to fight against this evil of privileged aristocrats and secrete societies.

Anywhere on the internet where large numbers of people come or gather to talk about new ideas and a new and better future for humanity, like here on NewMars, this evil will come and influence the thinking and minds of those who are unaware of their presence or not savvy enough to identify these evil wolves hiding in sheep’s cloths.

True space activist are very few anymore, and today are replaced by propaganda agents and front organizations acting for the interests of Government & Mega-Corporations!

The internet, and indeed space message boards like NewMars, is supposed to be a forum to explore new ideas and options in the public conscience.  However, these are ever more controlled and manipulated by powerful Government & Mega-Corporations and their agents who hide out in these places to attack any idea, person, or organization, which poses a threat to their control and power.

We need more space activists, and less secrete agents!

Don't be fooled and deceived by propaganda and lies!

Wake up!  Learn to think, and try to ignore those who seek to deceive and use you for evil purposes.

Evil never likes to be exposed!

#9 Re: Other space advocacy organizations » International Space Agency?!? Yes? No? Maybe? » 2005-11-29 14:26:37

Evil In Sheeps Clothing!

http://www.newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5

Attack and destroy what you do not understand!

Defame and slander what you cannot control or manipulate!

Spread lies and propaganda to manipulate the unsuspecting!

Same People!  Same Evil!  Sad! Very Sad Indeed!

This is why humans will always kill and destroy each other!

The only way to pry the aristocrats and secrete societies off the back of good in this world, is they need to be exposed and destroyed!

The forefathers of America knew this, and had no choice but to fight against this evil of privileged aristocrats and secrete societies.

Anywhere on the internet where large numbers of people come or gather to talk about new ideas and a new and better future for humanity, like here on NewMars, this evil will come and influence the thinking and minds of those who are unaware of their presence or not savvy enough to identify these evil wolves hiding in sheep’s cloths.

True space activist are very few anymore, and today are replaced by propaganda agents and front organizations acting for the interests of Government & Mega-Corporations!

The internet, and indeed space message boards like NewMars, is supposed to be a forum to explore new ideas and options in the public conscience.  However, these are ever more controlled and manipulated by powerful Government & Mega-Corporations and their agents who hide out in these places to attack any idea, person, or organization, which poses a threat to their control and power.

We need more space activists, and less secrete agents!

Don't be fooled and deceived by propaganda and lies!

Wake up!  Learn to think, and try to ignore those who seek to deceive and use you for evil purposes.

Evil never likes to be exposed!

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