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gaetanomarano · 2007-05-31 16:29:43

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AMAZING BBC NEWS:

"Fourteen space agencies have agreed to co-ordinate future space exploration of the Moon and Mars."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6708661.stm

this is the space agencies' list:

Asi (Italy)
BNSC (UK)
CNES (France)
CNSA (China)
CSA (Canada)
CSIRO (Australia)
DLR (Germany)
Esa (European Space Agency)
ISRO (India)
JAXA (Japan)
KARI (South Korea)
Nasa (USA)
NSAU (Ukraine)
Roscosmos (Russia)

could this international agreement be the "first step" to see something like...

the Orion launched with the Ariane5? ... http://www.gaetanomarano.it/articles/010arianecev.html

the Vulcain2 as Ares-I 2nd stage engine? ... http://www.gaetanomarano.it/articles/024aresF.html

a Lunar Space Station built with ESA and Russia modules? ... http://www.gaetanomarano.it/articles/009_LSS.html

a joined LSAM+Shenzhou moon mission? ... http://www.gaetanomarano.it/LSAMshenzho … nzhou.html

a "STANDARDIZED docking system" (maybe, the androgynous Orion's LIDS) as suggested ten months ago? ... http://ghostnasa.blogspot.com/2006/08/d … cking.html

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Yang Liwei Rocket · 2007-06-13 02:53:07

international doesn't automatically mean success, look at how slow the ISS has been coming along

cIclops · 2007-06-13 06:08:46

Yep and more expensive too. There has been international agreement already for Mars exploration through the MEPAG group as well as others, what's new in this agreement?

Fourteen space agencies, I wonder how much that "agreement" cost to produce.

SpaceNut · 2007-06-13 07:00:43

Sorry for the long post all but this info is important.

The group released a 25-page document, "The Global Exploration Strategy: The Framework for Coordination," http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/178109main_ges_framework.pdf that highlights a shared vision of space exploration focused on solar system destinations such as the Moon and Mars where humans may someday live and work. The document is the latest product of their Global Exploration Strategy discussions.

This is the pitch that was given for how a lunar base would be built.

So what shape are our partners in? Source quotes from Wikipedia note lack of info for NSAU

The partner space agencies include

ASI (Italy) http://www.asi.it
ASI provides Italy's delegation to the Council of the European Space Agency and to its subordinate bodies
The agency also has two operational centers, located in Matera and Trapani (both in Italy), and a spaceport, the San Marco platform, on the coastal sublittoral of Kenya. The ASI's annual budget is $900 million.

BNSC (UK) http://www.bnsc.gov.uk/home.aspx?nid=3191
The British National Space Centre (or BNSC) is a voluntary partnership between eleven UK government departments and research councils. Rather than being a full space agency as maintained in other countries, the BNSC consists of around fifty civil servants on rotation from other government departments. Much of Britain's yearly space budget of US$400 million is contributed by the Department of Trade and Industry or controlled by the partnership rather than the BNSC, and over half of that budget flows directly to the European Space Agency. The budget for BNSC headquarters is nearer US$2 million.

CNES (France) http://www.cnes.fr/ and in English http://www.cnes.fr/web/455-cnes-en.php
The Centre National d'Études Spatiales is the French government space agency (administratively, a "public establishment of industrial and commercial character"). It operates out of the Guiana Space Center,
the 3rd space power to achieve this distinction, sharing technologies with Europe to boost development of the Ariane launcher family. Administrator Budget $2.2 billion

CNSA (China) http://www.cnsa.gov.cn/n615709/cindex.html
China National Space Administration the space program of the People's Republic of China (PRC)
Administrator Sun Laiyan; Budget $500 million official figures by Luo Ge vice administrator of the China National Space Administration

CSA (Canada) http://www.space.gc.ca/asc/index.html and in English http://www.space.gc.ca/asc/eng/default.asp
The Canadian Space Agency (CSA or, in French, l'Agence spatiale canadienne, ASC) is the Canadian government space agency responsible for Canada's space program. The agency is a relatively modest federal establishment, with only 575 employees and a rotating student population of about 100 interns or summer workers. Eight Canadians have participated on 12 NASA manned missions to date with a 13th scheduled in 2007.

CSIRO (Australia) http://www.csiro.au/
The Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation (CSIRO) is the national government body for scientific research in Australia. Chief Executive Geoff Garrett

DLR (Germany) http://www.dlr.de/ or Washington office http://www.dlr.org and in English http://www.dlr.de/en/desktopdefault.aspx/
The German Aerospace Center (DLR) (German: Deutsches Zentrum für Luft- und Raumfahrt e.V.) is the national research center for aviation and space flight of the Federal Republic of Germany and the German Space Agency. DLR is the assigned space agency of Germany bestowing headquarters of German space flight activities and its associates. The German Space agency budget $1.0 billion, DLR keeps $240 million and $750 million is going to ESA (European Space Agency).

ESA (European Space Agency) http://www.esa.int/esaCP/index.html
The European Space Agency (ESA), established in 1974, is an inter-governmental organisation dedicated to the exploration of space, currently with 17 member states. ESA has a staff (excluding sub-contractors and national space agencies) of about 1,900 with an annual budget of about € 3 billion in 2006. In comparison with NASA's budget of sixteen billion dollars (€13 billion)

ISRO (India) http://www.isro.org/
The Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) is India's national space agency. With its headquarters in Bangalore, the ISRO employs approximately 20,000 people. The Indian Space Agency has $815 million official budget according to The total ISRO budget for the year announced by Finance Minister P. Chidambaram (space news 06 March 2006).

JAXA (Japan) http://www.jaxa.jp/index_e.html
The Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency JAXA with annual funds of €1.6 billion ($2.0 billion)

KARI (South Korea) http://www.kari.re.kr/english/
The Korea Aerospace Research Institute (KARI) is the aeronautics and space agency of South Korea.
KARI had a 2003 budget of 156.4 billion won ($150 million USD).

NASA (USA) http://www.nasa.gov/
The National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) is an agency of the United States federal government, responsible for the nation's public space program its annual funding for fiscal year 2007 (FY2007) amounts to US$16.8 billion.

NSAU (Ukraine) http://www.nkau.gov.ua/nsau/nkau.nsf/indexE
The National Space Agency of Ukraine, or NSAU is the agency of the government of Ukraine responsible for space policy and programs.

Roscosmos (Russia) mixed English page http://www.federalspace.ru/index.asp?Lang=ENG
The Russian Federal Space Agency or Russian Space Agency (RSA) which incurred a considerable boost in funding in 2006 with an annual federal budget of Over 35 billion rubles or $1.3 billion in 2007.

gaetanomarano · 2007-06-13 15:00:26

international doesn't automatically mean success, look at how slow the ISS has been coming along

true, but they have learned from the ISS experience and should not repeat the same mistakes (however, the way is always open for new ones... )

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gaetanomarano · 2007-06-13 15:06:04

Yep and more expensive too.

not if each space agengy builds parts of the hardware with its own funds

There has been international agreement already for Mars exploration...

recent ESA evaluations shows that a Mars missions plan should cost (at least) $500 billion (and I think it's still an optimistic evaluation) so, that kind of missions will be possible ONLY with an international effort

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gaetanomarano · 2007-06-13 16:15:00

ASI $900M + BNSC $400M + CNES $2,200M + CNSA $500M + CSA + CSIRO + DLR $240M + ESA $4,000M + ISRO $815M + JAXA $2,000M + KARI $150M + NSAU + Roscosmos $1,300M

the sum ($12.5 billion) is about 75% the NASA annual budget, so, if they will cooperate, an (alternative, cheaper and better) "international ESAS plan" (and moon missions) could be possible

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SpaceNut · 2007-06-15 20:21:51

You can sum the money until you are blue but the method of exchange is of bartering and that is of like kind services.
So when comparing apples to apples the amount of cash for one versus the other is scaled by the difference to get a balance equation of value.
So even thou the partners have close to the total there individual power are on the order of 16/1 or 16/2 for multiplier factor.

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