North Korea Blew the NUKE !!! DPRK tests the bomb ?

Mars_B4_Moon · 2006-10-10 02:07:53

N. Korea Nuke Test Shocks World Markets
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/fn/4246555.html

Pakistan “deplores” North Korean nuclear test, denies links
news
“There is absolutely no link between the nuclear test conducted by North Korea or what might have gone on between Doctor A.Q. Khan and the North Korean government,” Aslam said.
“North Korea’s programme is plutonium-based and Pakistan’s is mainly uranium-based.”
Khan admitted on national television in 2004 that he passed atomic secrets to North Korea, Iran and Libya. He transferred nearly two-dozen centrifuges to North Korea, President Pervez Musharraf said in his memoirs published last month.

N Korea nuke move puts Indo-US nuke deal to test
http://www.ibnlive.com/news/n-korea-nuk … 631-3.html
Foreign policy experts also say that the developments in the Korean Peninsula might end up complicating India's planned nuclear relationships with the US.
In a way, there is little justification in India's condemnation of North Korea's daredevilry as both India and North Korea were not members of the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty when they conducted their first nuclear test. Under the circumstances, New Delhi's criticism of North Korea sounds more hypocritical than anything else.

EuroLauncher · 2006-10-10 09:16:10

John Howard has called for UN sanctions against North Korea, and has proposed trade and travel restrictions as world outrage grows at the Stalinist regime's announcement of a nuclear test today.
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/s … 21,00.html
Russia condemns N. Korean nuclear test, urges talks
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20061009/54655232.html
Iran Blames U.S. for N. Korea Nuke Test
http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/ … 24412.html

Palomar · 2006-10-10 09:26:07

I heard N. Korea's test device was only 1 kiloton in power. Compared to the 6 to 12 (? IIRC) kiloton devices detonated by Pakistan and India a year or so ago (can't recall precise dates).

So, it seems N. Korea's was a pipsqueak pop by comparison. ::shrugs::

Mars_B4_Moon · 2006-10-10 10:17:58

The Onion : "To me the bomb isn't as troubling as the giant catapult they're constructing to fling it."

U.S. Geological Survey records 4.2 magnitude event
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/10/ … _Quake.php

could they have blow up a suitcase sized bomb or "SADM" portable Nuke ?
http://www.nationalterroralert.com/suitcasenuke/
It has a 3-to-5 kiloton yield, depending on the efficiency of the explosion.

Tom Kalbfus · 2006-10-10 11:37:14

What if North Korea just got together 5 kilotons of TNT and blew it up underground and then said it conducted a nuclear test?

The liberal news media is still busy chasing gays out of the halls of Congress, and obsessing about the latest 21-year-old ex-page that Foley had sent lurid instant messages to. I ought to thank Kim Il Jung for trying to pry the liberal News Media off the Foley story. But for the libs, nothing is more important than Mark Foleys private sexcapades, not even the potential deaths of millions of people.

EuroLauncher · 2006-10-11 06:59:31

What if North Korea just got together 5 kilotons of TNT and blew it up underground and then said it conducted a nuclear test?

No, I don't think its a fake because normal explosives wouldn't normally be that big a bomb, plus at Magnitude 4.2 or 4.3 at 0 km (~0 mile) depth sounds like a Nuke, there was also suspicious activity picked up by satellites a few days before.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/rec … ustqab.php
http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/national/ … 8000c.html
And we have also known the DPRK have had a WMD program for many years. The Nuke may have been a small one but it compares to some of the test done by Pakistan or the US explosions at Nevada, and the scale of Kim's Nuke is still more than dozens of times greater than the most powerful conventional weapons. It sounds like they had a little problem with the detonator timer, because without "crushing" the core of the device in just the correct way, the inward-moving wave of the explosion will not yield the devastating impact intended ( 10-30 Kilotonnes ? ) the nuclear bomb needs to explode within one-millionth of a second after ignition . For dictator Kim Jong il to get the most out of his bomb he requires high-precision detonator technology and it sounds like the timer is a little off (hence the smaller explosion). Anyway he's still got plenty of material for more Nukes and he's got to get his ICBM working properly if he wants to hit Washington (only his shorter range 2,000 km Nodong-2 missiles work)

DonPanic · 2006-10-11 09:24:55

LO
Now, ask the question: would had been North Korea so eager to get nukes if it hadn't been listed on the "Axis of Evil", watching what are the results of war at Iraq,
would Iran too ?

I still think that the bunch of chimps leading at White House have done the worst job any american presidency has ever done

Please, US citizen, get rid of him as soon as possible

John Creighton · 2006-10-11 11:19:21

The liberal news media is still busy chasing gays out of the halls of Congress, and obsessing about the latest 21-year-old ex-page that Foley had sent lurid instant messages to. I ought to thank Kim Il Jung for trying to pry the liberal News Media off the Foley story. But for the libs, nothing is more important than Mark Foleys private sexcapades, not even the potential deaths of millions of people.

Unless you were equally offended by all the hoopla about Clintons extra circular activities then you are clearly showing you’re party bias. And at least with Clinton it was between two consenting adults. If character tests matter at all for politicians folly clearly failed.

John Creighton · 2006-10-11 11:21:14

LO
Now, ask the question: would had been North Korea so eager to get nukes if it hadn't been listed on the "Axis of Evil", watching what are the results of war at Iraq,
would Iran too ?
I still think that the bunch of chimps leading at White House have done the worst job any american presidency has ever done
Please, US citizen, get rid of him as soon as possible

If North Korea believed the United States would respond by testing out their first strike capability they wouldn’t be so eager. Perhaps we are too much of a paper tiger. One of the alleged reasons for using the atomic bomb against Japan in WWII was to send a message to the Russians, “Don’t mess with us”.

Tom Kalbfus · 2006-10-11 12:44:38

LO
Now, ask the question: would had been North Korea so eager to get nukes if it hadn't been listed on the "Axis of Evil", watching what are the results of war at Iraq,
would Iran too ?

Yes. Horse before the cart! George Bush was reacting to what North Korea and Iran were doing, it was not a case of him calling them the villian and then them reacting by being the villian. If George Bush cannot use his freedom of speech and call a spade a spade, then what is the world coming to, and are we ever safer if he refuses to name the villians we face. Is it that if we don't name them, they'll stay in the shadows and not come out and bother us?

I still think that the bunch of chimps leading at White House have done the worst job any american presidency has ever done
Please, US citizen, get rid of him as soon as possible

Jimmy Carter did worse, he did not even try.

Tom Kalbfus · 2006-10-11 12:59:28

The liberal news media is still busy chasing gays out of the halls of Congress, and obsessing about the latest 21-year-old ex-page that Foley had sent lurid instant messages to. I ought to thank Kim Il Jung for trying to pry the liberal News Media off the Foley story. But for the libs, nothing is more important than Mark Foleys private sexcapades, not even the potential deaths of millions of people.
Unless you were equally offended by all the hoopla about Clintons extra circular activities then you are clearly showing you’re party bias. And at least with Clinton it was between two consenting adults. If character tests matter at all for politicians folly clearly failed.

With Clinton, it was worse, Monica Lewinsky was still working for him when they had the sexual affair, at least with Foley it involved ex-pages who were over 18 years of age. The media is making something out of nothing, because it wants to choose the next Congress instead of letting the people do so based on fair and unbiased information. Do you know what Democrats are going to do once they get into power? they are going to raise taxes and deliberately lose the war in Iraq. Thy'll knuckel under to Kin Il Jung and send negotiators to someone who threatened to attack us with nuclear warheads. I don't think North Korea needs to have diplomatic relations with us in order for us to tell them what will happen if they attack us with nuclear weapons, they know themselves. We have way more missiles than they have and they are of higher explosive yield. Let them blow up some left-coast town with their Hiroshima type bombs, and then we'll scour the Korean Penisula of them, burning their bodies to a crisp to get rid of them in revenge! I don't think we'll be feeling so kindly to the North Koreans after they have killed hundreds of thousands of Americans, do you? But we can survive whatever they have to throw at us, and they won't survive what we'll do in retaliation! If our missile arsenal isn't enough to disuade them from attacking us with nukes, then I doubt there is anything our diplomats can do other than paying their ransom. At least with a nuclear war between North Korea and the USA, we'll be rid of them, and they won't bother us any more. We can't just let them nuke our cities and not respond, hopefully they don't do this, but we shouldn't cower and give in to their demands to prevent it.

Grypd · 2006-10-11 17:41:47

North Korea has the small man syndrome and to add to there woes there country is falling apart. North Korea cannot feed itself and there principle of army first means that come winter time a lot of people starve to death. Economically they have nothing to sell there traditional industries have collapsed and so to get the money they need to keep North Koreas political elite in the style they expect they sell weapons and illegal items like counterfeit money, stamps and of course drugs.

The average North Korean does not see that so graft is commonplace and state control is failing. North Korean soldiers are raiding there own warehouses to sell there fuel and food to the civilians and when they have nothing to sell they commit serious crimes like sell of there weapons. China has found North Korean troops coming across the border to commit bank robberies and to steal things.

Why is North Korea so intent on stirring the pot. Easy if it does not the illustrious leader loses his hold on power. He needs money and with the FBI and other similar agencies slowly cutting back on the illegal side of his fundraiseing he has ran out of money to keep the elite sweet. He needs to be seen to be a big dog and at the moment with not only his missile test a failure but likely the nuclear one a partial failure as well he may not be too comfortable.

Still his discomfort is a problem. China does not want the regime to collapse and in some ways neither does South Korea. If it collapses a lot of people will die and there is a good chance warlordism will ensue with these new North Korean warlords armed with biological and chemical weapons at the least. North Korea would bankrupt the South if they merge and try to get things sorted up north and China truly does not want a very friendly to the US state sitting on its southern border. Sanctions could collapse North Korea if they stop the illegal trade and the legal one of selling weapons and North Korea would fall apart. But im doubtful if China will allow this as it could cause a lot of problems for them. And with the North Korean border guards treatment of returned refugees even the Chinese PLA is angry at North Korea. I would not be surprised if the dear leader has a heart attack and his son who is currently in China (after falling out with his father, usually a very fatal occurence) takes over and North Korea moves to a lot more friendlier nature. Either that or the defences at the parallel which the US soldiers there call the Speed bump get to be tried out.

John Creighton · 2006-10-11 20:06:24

The liberal news media is still busy chasing gays out of the halls of Congress, and obsessing about the latest 21-year-old ex-page that Foley had sent lurid instant messages to. I ought to thank Kim Il Jung for trying to pry the liberal News Media off the Foley story. But for the libs, nothing is more important than Mark Foleys private sexcapades, not even the potential deaths of millions of people.
Unless you were equally offended by all the hoopla about Clintons extra circular activities then you are clearly showing you’re party bias. And at least with Clinton it was between two consenting adults. If character tests matter at all for politicians folly clearly failed.
With Clinton, it was worse, Monica Lewinsky was still working for him when they had the sexual affair, at least with Foley it involved ex-pages who were over 18 years of age. The media is making something out of nothing, because it wants to choose the next Congress instead of letting the people do so based on fair and unbiased information. Do you know what Democrats are going to do once they get into power? they are going to raise taxes and deliberately lose the war in Iraq. Thy'll knuckel under to Kin Il Jung and send negotiators to someone who threatened to attack us with nuclear warheads. I don't think North Korea needs to have diplomatic relations with us in order for us to tell them what will happen if they attack us with nuclear weapons, they know themselves. We have way more missiles than they have and they are of higher explosive yield. Let them blow up some left-coast town with their Hiroshima type bombs, and then we'll scour the Korean Penisula of them, burning their bodies to a crisp to get rid of them in revenge! I don't think we'll be feeling so kindly to the North Koreans after they have killed hundreds of thousands of Americans, do you? But we can survive whatever they have to throw at us, and they won't survive what we'll do in retaliation! If our missile arsenal isn't enough to disuade them from attacking us with nukes, then I doubt there is anything our diplomats can do other than paying their ransom. At least with a nuclear war between North Korea and the USA, we'll be rid of them, and they won't bother us any more. We can't just let them nuke our cities and not respond, hopefully they don't do this, but we shouldn't cower and give in to their demands to prevent it.

From what I heard in the press he was talking inappropriately to someone under the age of 18. If that is not true then he should launch quite a few liable suites. Although, I cannot attribute the character of a whole party to the actions of a few, for a party that prides its’ self on family values and likes to thump the bible the stench of hypocrisy is disgraceful.

DonPanic · 2006-10-12 03:25:32

LO
Now, ask the question: would had been North Korea so eager to get nukes if it hadn't been listed on the "Axis of Evil", watching what are the results of war at Iraq,
would Iran too ?
Yes. Horse before the cart! George Bush was reacting to what North Korea and Iran were doing, it was not a case of him calling them the villian and then them reacting by being the villian.

Don't you see where is the horse end the cart ?
I don't call him the vilain, I call him the chimp, not to have understood that Pakistan was the real ennemy, feeding North Korea and Iran with nuke technology, feeding terrorism in its madrassas koranic schools, as well as Saudia spreading islamism the world over thanks to petrodollars
So tiny straight minded from so many to keep eyes down on political men sex affairs when Earth safety is on first line

Jimmy Carter did worse, he did not even try.

Typical short sighted argument to go and seek 15 years old souvenirs when the problem is here and now.

DonPanic · 2006-10-12 03:57:55

LO

One of the alleged reasons for using the atomic bomb against Japan in WWII was to send a message to the Russians, “Don’t mess with us”.

Doubtful, too many US soldiers lives were to be managed...

Commodore · 2006-10-12 17:08:18

LO
Now, ask the question: would had been North Korea so eager to get nukes if it hadn't been listed on the "Axis of Evil", watching what are the results of war at Iraq,
would Iran too ?
I still think that the bunch of chimps leading at White House have done the worst job any american presidency has ever done
Please, US citizen, get rid of him as soon as possible

Oh please. Leisure Suit Kimmy was trying to get the bomb more than a decade ago. For the same reasons. Clinton nearly went to war over it in 1993, then backed off and gave NK reactors, oil, food, and god knows what else, on the promise that the UN would watch and make sure there was no funny business. They failed. They are failing in Iran. And you know why, cause Saddam was able get away with stuff for twelve years. And now because the rest of the world fought so hard to not inforce it's own rules in Iraq, forcing us to do all of it, the madmen in NK and Iran think they can get away with murder.

I know Continental Europe hates it when Bush calls a spade a spade. I guess when you folks assume that if you can't see the tanks ready to roll over you, the world is all puppies and butterflies.

Grypd · 2006-10-12 18:22:08

LO
Now, ask the question: would had been North Korea so eager to get nukes if it hadn't been listed on the "Axis of Evil", watching what are the results of war at Iraq,
would Iran too ?
I still think that the bunch of chimps leading at White House have done the worst job any american presidency has ever done
Please, US citizen, get rid of him as soon as possible
Oh please. Leisure Suit Kimmy was trying to get the bomb more than a decade ago. For the same reasons. Clinton nearly went to war over it in 1993, then backed off and gave NK reactors, oil, food, and god knows what else, on the promise that the UN would watch and make sure there was no funny business. They failed. They are failing in Iran. And you know why, cause Saddam was able get away with stuff for twelve years. And now because the rest of the world fought so hard to not inforce it's own rules in Iraq, forcing us to do all of it, the madmen in NK and Iran think they can get away with murder.
I know Continental Europe hates it when Bush calls a spade a spade. I guess when you folks assume that if you can't see the tanks ready to roll over you, the world is all puppies and butterflies.

The difference is that North Korea can actually roll those tanks over south Korea. Do we honestly want to see Seoul destroyed cause that is what will happen in the first barrage of the North Koreans they have that many artillery pieces aimed at the south. Ask the soldiers what they call all those border fortresses they guard. There nickname is the speedbump for them and for a very good reason too.

And it is not the west that is giving the Norks there Oil or Food that is the Chinese and for good reason too. They have no wish for the North Korean regime to collapse its potential for regional catastrophe is far too high. Even south Korea gives lip service to the idea of a reunified Korea the cost would bankrupt the south. The North is so devestated it would make the German reunification look like a meeting of old friends

John Creighton · 2006-10-12 19:30:21

The difference is that North Korea can actually roll those tanks over south Korea. Do we honestly want to see Seoul destroyed cause that is what will happen in the first barrage of the North Koreans they have that many artillery pieces aimed at the south. Ask the soldiers what they call all those border fortresses they guard. There nickname is the speedbump for them and for a very good reason too.

If the US stuck first are you sure they couldn’t take out those artillery pieces fast enough?

Commodore · 2006-10-12 22:00:28

The difference is that North Korea can actually roll those tanks over south Korea. Do we honestly want to see Seoul destroyed cause that is what will happen in the first barrage of the North Koreans they have that many artillery pieces aimed at the south. Ask the soldiers what they call all those border fortresses they guard. There nickname is the speedbump for them and for a very good reason too.

At this point, I'm just wondering were it ends. I don't see this regime going down peacefully. I don't want to see Seoul destroyed, but I don't want to see Tokyo, Okinowa, Pearl Harbor, or LA destroyed either. IF we wait, and he gets a deliverable nuke, then our only defense is MAD. The longer we wait the fewer choices we have.

As for the tactical situation, I don't think the North Koreans would get all that far if they crossed the border. They rely on mass waves of easily destroyed equipment. Our Abrams will clog the roads with dead NK tanks before they can get a shot off. NKs only hope is to saturate an area with artillery in hope that we'll pull back. Once were out of range of their pre placed guns, the battle swings massively in our favor. Give the Air Force a week or 2 to clean them out and the battle is over.

EuroLauncher · 2006-10-13 01:10:28

Clinton nearly went to war over it in 1993, then backed off and gave NK reactors, oil, food, and god knows what else, on the promise that the UN would watch and make sure there was no funny business. They failed.

You blame Clinton for the whole thing ? I regret to inform you Commodore that old 'Bill' hasn't been in charge for over half a decade, maybe your just a die-hard Republican-GOP fan no matter what happens.

Here's the timeline for those of you who gave a damn

PRESIDENT REAGANMid-1980s: First signs of North Korea nuclear program detected by US intelligence.
1986: North Korea produces plutonium in reactor.

PRESIDENT GEORGE H. W. BUSH1991: US begins talks with North Korea to end to nuclear program.
1992: North Korea has separated an estimated 0-10kg of weapons-grade plutonium, enough for 1 to 2 bombs.

PRESIDENT CLINTON1993: North Korea announces it will leave nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty; US prepares to attack nuclear sites.
1994: Clinton Administration reaches Agreed Framework, North Korea freezes nuclear production for the next eight years.
August 1998: North Korea tests medium-range Taepodong-1 missile.
December 1998: North Korea warns they will test another missile, but pressure from US dissuades them.
September 1999: Pyongyang agrees to long-range missile moratorium.
October 2000: Secretary of State Madeleine Albright is highest ranking US official to ever meet with Kim Jong Il.

PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSHMarch 6, 2001: Secretary of State Colin Powell says the administration will "pick up where President Clinton left off."
March 7, 2001: President Bush undercuts Powell, declares negotiations will take on a different tone.
January 2002: Bush labels North Korea a member of the "Axis of Evil."
March 2003: United States invades Iraq.
April 2003: North Korea withdraws from the Non-Proliferation Treaty; soon thereafter, they restart their reactor.
April 2005: North Korea appears to unload nuclear reactor with up to another 15 kg of weapons-grade plutonium.
September 19, 2005: In six-party talks North Korea agrees to abandon its nuclear program in exchange for incentives package.
September 19, 2005: US places sanctions on bank that provides financial support for North Korean Government Agencies; causes collapse of September 2005 agreement.
June 2006: North Korea is believed to have now produced enough plutonium for 4 to 13 nuclear bombs.
July 2006: North Korea tests missiles: one medium-range and five short-range. Medium-range Taepodong-2 fails.
October 3, 2006: Kim Jong Il announces North Korea plans to test nuclear weapons.
October 4, 2006: North Korea asserts that nuclear test is a measure to "bolstering its nuclear deterrent as a self-defense measure."
Mid-2008: If North Korea unloads another batch of fuel, it may have enough nuclear material for 8 to 17 nuclear bombs.

Grypd · 2006-10-13 03:05:36

The difference is that North Korea can actually roll those tanks over south Korea. Do we honestly want to see Seoul destroyed cause that is what will happen in the first barrage of the North Koreans they have that many artillery pieces aimed at the south. Ask the soldiers what they call all those border fortresses they guard. There nickname is the speedbump for them and for a very good reason too.
At this point, I'm just wondering were it ends. I don't see this regime going down peacefully. I don't want to see Seoul destroyed, but I don't want to see Tokyo, Okinowa, Pearl Harbor, or LA destroyed either. IF we wait, and he gets a deliverable nuke, then our only defense is MAD. The longer we wait the fewer choices we have.
As for the tactical situation, I don't think the North Koreans would get all that far if they crossed the border. They rely on mass waves of easily destroyed equipment. Our Abrams will clog the roads with dead NK tanks before they can get a shot off. NKs only hope is to saturate an area with artillery in hope that we'll pull back. Once were out of range of their pre placed guns, the battle swings massively in our favor. Give the Air Force a week or 2 to clean them out and the battle is over.

They do not rely on mass waves of equipment they rely on mass waves of people and the terrain favours that approach. The KPA has 700,000 soldiers and 8000 artillery systems and 2000 tanks for rear cover threatening Seoul alone. Most of this force is based in underground bunkers. It is an indication of just how messed up North Korea is that all this effort while over a million people have starved to death in the last decade.

Korean People's Army - Introduction

North Korea runs a principle of Army first and that means the army gets to eat while the population starves but North Korea also has an elite which may not be too happy to have there country so seperated from there allies the Chinese and under such a threat. They also live a very lavish lifestyle which needs funding and that is how North Korea can be affected as this money only comes from two main ways that of selling weapons worldwide and illegal means. Hammer these and North Korea runs out of money.

Mars_B4_Moon · 2006-10-13 04:30:48

Clinton nearly went to war over it in 1993, then backed off and gave NK reactors, oil, food, and god knows what else, on the promise that the UN would watch and make sure there was no funny business. They failed.

You blame Clinton for the whole thing ? I regret to inform you Commodore that old 'Bill' hasn't been in charge for over half a decade, maybe your just a die-hard Republican-GOP fan no matter what happens.

Here's the timeline for those of you who gave a damn
PRESIDENT REAGANMid-1980s: First signs of North Korea nuclear program detected by US intelligence.
1986: North Korea produces plutonium in reactor.
PRESIDENT GEORGE H. W. BUSH1991: US begins talks with North Korea to end to nuclear program.
1992: North Korea has separated an estimated 0-10kg of weapons-grade plutonium, enough for 1 to 2 bombs.
PRESIDENT CLINTON1993: North Korea announces it will leave nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty; US prepares to attack nuclear sites.
1994: Clinton Administration reaches Agreed Framework, North Korea freezes nuclear production for the next eight years.
August 1998: North Korea tests medium-range Taepodong-1 missile.
December 1998: North Korea warns they will test another missile, but pressure from US dissuades them.
September 1999: Pyongyang agrees to long-range missile moratorium.
October 2000: Secretary of State Madeleine Albright is highest ranking US official to ever meet with Kim Jong Il.
PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSHMarch 6, 2001: Secretary of State Colin Powell says the administration will "pick up where President Clinton left off."
March 7, 2001: President Bush undercuts Powell, declares negotiations will take on a different tone.
January 2002: Bush labels North Korea a member of the "Axis of Evil."
March 2003: United States invades Iraq.
April 2003: North Korea withdraws from the Non-Proliferation Treaty; soon thereafter, they restart their reactor.
April 2005: North Korea appears to unload nuclear reactor with up to another 15 kg of weapons-grade plutonium.
September 19, 2005: In six-party talks North Korea agrees to abandon its nuclear program in exchange for incentives package.
September 19, 2005: US places sanctions on bank that provides financial support for North Korean Government Agencies; causes collapse of September 2005 agreement.
June 2006: North Korea is believed to have now produced enough plutonium for 4 to 13 nuclear bombs.
July 2006: North Korea tests missiles: one medium-range and five short-range. Medium-range Taepodong-2 fails.
October 3, 2006: Kim Jong Il announces North Korea plans to test nuclear weapons.
October 4, 2006: North Korea asserts that nuclear test is a measure to "bolstering its nuclear deterrent as a self-defense measure."
Mid-2008: If North Korea unloads another batch of fuel, it may have enough nuclear material for 8 to 17 nuclear bombs.

Bill O'Reilly claimed:
"the reason North Korea is causing trouble is that it wants to influence the November election"
http://mediamatters.org/items/200610100005

Palomar · 2006-10-13 08:00:00

Bill O'Reilly claimed:
"the reason North Korea is causing trouble is that it wants to influence the November election"
http://mediamatters.org/items/200610100005

I think O'Reilly's got rocks in his head on this one. Just saw headlines at spacedaily.com: China is uniting with South Korea against N. Korea (China -- N. Korea's buddy). Japan has stopped importing N. Korean goods (that's going to hurt).

Would Kim Jong Il be so foolish as to shoot himself twice in the foot to influence our November elections? I doubt it...even if he is a vainglorious crackpot.

DonPanic · 2006-10-13 15:23:16

LO
Now, ask the question: would had been North Korea so eager to get nukes if it hadn't been listed on the "Axis of Evil", watching what are the results of war at Iraq,
would Iran too ?
I still think that the bunch of chimps leading at White House have done the worst job any american presidency has ever done
Please, US citizen, get rid of him as soon as possible
Oh please. Leisure Suit Kimmy was trying to get the bomb more than a decade ago. For the same reasons. Clinton nearly went to war over it in 1993, then backed off and gave NK reactors, oil, food, and god knows what else, on the promise that the UN would watch and make sure there was no funny business. They failed. They are failing in Iran. And you know why, cause Saddam was able get away with stuff for twelve years. And now because the rest of the world fought so hard to not inforce it's own rules in Iraq, forcing us to do all of it, the madmen in NK and Iran think they can get away with murder.
I know Continental Europe hates it when Bush calls a spade a spade. I guess when you folks assume that if you can't see the tanks ready to roll over you, the world is all puppies and butterflies.

Ha Ha, which US army is mud trapped in Iraq, after the ousting of one of the most unpleasant regime, but which never was Al Qaeda's ally, but rather its ennemy, while Kimmy handcrafts ist nukkies ? and while Ahmadinejad plays with uranium enrichment as well as with Euro and US nerves ?

I'm still thinking that there were other means to oust Saddam without destroying iraq administrative infrastructures, without these so many losses of US soliers and such a massive loss of Iraqian lives, without being morally weakened with torture to the eyes of the word public opinion, without increasing the muslims rage at USA and occidental world. That's all wrong.
As well as the War at terrorism concept, that's not the Army job, it's intelligence services, police and special forces job.

I you call me a member of the axis of evil and I see you try to destroy another so-called evil, I'll hurry and seek for weapons, maybe I'll think quite wise to shoot at you first before you do, therefore I think very stupid of SuperChimpBush to threaten Iran and Korea the way he did with le Axis of Evil chatchat.
Actions have to be silently prepared while smilling at what you think is your ennemy, if strikes must be decided. That's a basic tactical concept.

EuroLauncher · 2006-10-14 03:10:32

The difference is that North Korea can actually roll those tanks over south Korea. Do we honestly want to see Seoul destroyed cause that is what will happen in the first barrage of the North Koreans they have that many artillery pieces aimed at the south. Ask the soldiers what they call all those border fortresses they guard. There nickname is the speedbump for them and for a very good reason too.
If the US stuck first are you sure they couldn’t take out those artillery pieces fast enough?

Okinawa, Seoul, Tokyo, Koyoto and Osan are all within range of dicatator Kim Jong il's Nodong-2 with a range of 2,000km (1250miles),

which means the USA would perhaps have to sacrifice thousands of people ( or maybe millions ? ) in this region, the DPRK has has an extensive biological and chemical WMD program with tabun, never agents and such. The American decision not to attack North Korea is based on much more than the North Korean nuclear deterrent—North Korea’s million-man army and its conventional capability to destroy much of Seoul, along with the strong opposition of South Korea and China to an attack. Iran’s situation is different—its neighbors are far less interested in protecting it, and its ability to wreak havoc in Iraq and Israel, while substantial, is less imposing than North Korea’s ability to devastate Seoul. The South Korean capital is only a few miles from the DMZ, so the DPRK could simply shell Seoul in response to any US strike and wreak mayhem upon US troops in the region and wreak havoc upon the South Korean people.

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