The life of Joe Republican - Unseen benefits of government

C M Edwards · 2005-02-28 15:28:47

More unsolicited advice for Cindy:

Move. If it really is that bad, move to some place that isn't.

I suggest Baton Rouge. It has the same big city feel that you're no doubt used to having lived near Chicago, but with a relatively lower population density and a much better class of mobster. Don't let Louisiana's reputation as one of the most currupt banana republic states in the USA deter you - the disparity in income between our corrupt politicians and the general populace hasn't become high enough down here to be a major source of friction. Our public servants are generally well-liked, too. Just look at all the sad faces when our former governor was sent to the pen the year before last. ("You mean they finally caught Fast Eddie? Gee, that's too bad...")

You really should try a less dense, more rural environ.

Palomar · 2005-02-28 17:18:28

More unsolicited advice for Cindy:
Move. If it really is that bad, move to some place that isn't.

*Hi CM: I would love to move, and have wanted to do so for years. Now if only I could convince my husband (his hometown is nearby and I doubt he will ever leave this area; we tried that once, with the result of him insisting we move back within 5 months' time).

Bill: ...the anti-Kerry (Swift Boat) smear campaign

I know you feel deeply about this issue Bill. I have to say, though, that while I didn't pay much heed to the SB people, there were other factors which dimmed Kerry's appeal in my eyes. Edwards *would* have won the Presidency, on the other hand -- I'm quite sure of that. I'm not saying John Kerry is the worst politician out there, and yes I understand Bush can be oh-so-aggrrrrrravating...but some of Kerry's past did come back to haunt him (where there's smoke, there's fire). And all's fair in love, war and politics I guess.

--Cindy

Ian Flint · 2005-02-28 20:51:27

Cobra:

Ah well, what we see as a lie is formed as much by our desires as our senses.

I think Obi-Wan Kenobi said it better, "Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view."
By the way, Cobra, please explain how you consider yourself to be fascist. You just sound so moderate.

Bill, regarding Bush, I can't quite figure him out. I tend to swing between two extremes: he is either the Anti-Christ or just as dumb as a pile of marbles.
Looking through the 'Anti-Christ' goggles I see him intentionally using the word "nucular" to endear him to the semi-literate good 'ol boys back home, while at the same time using the military to take over the world, etc.
Looking through my 'dumb as a pile of marbles' glasses I see him singing the ABC song in his office to get ready for his next speach, while truly believing that democracy can and should be imposed on a people at gunpoint, etc.
But since I don't believe in Christ, I'll have to go with option two.

Cindy, good for you. You should definitely take a vacation from citizenship for a while. By the way, you need to learn the local yocal rules of moron-hood.
I feel for you. Turn to alcohol. It's the only way to survive. :;):

Earthfirst, what can I say? If I could follow your dialect, I would comment. ???

dicktice · 2005-02-28 21:24:11

Cindy, don't you long for a woman president, next time? Well, get out and vote then, ma'am.

Shaun Barrett · 2005-03-01 04:29:15

God! Is it possible?
Another thread in which Bill and CC can play "1001 Ways To Say The Same Thing" .. again!!

Ian:-

By the way, Cobra, please explain how you consider yourself to be fascist. You just sound so moderate.

CC doesn't sya he's a fascist, exactly, he says he's a "recovering fascist" ... and that's his story until after he's elected! :;):

Dicktice:-

Cindy, don't you long for a woman president, next time? Well, get out and vote then, ma'am.

Now you're talking, Dick!
But when it comes down to raw talent, brains and political experience, it's a one-horse race; there's only Dr. Rice. And, although I could be wrong, I thought Cindy was trying to get away from the present Two-Party system (?). ???

Palomar · 2005-03-01 06:20:19

And, although I could be wrong, I thought Cindy was trying to get away from the present Two-Party system (?). ???

*Yep. Who the heck wants to discuss the 2008 Presidential elections? Good grief, we just got over the most recent spectacle (dicktice). :-\

There is one **issue** surrounding Presidential elections which I would like to see changed: The Christian religion issue. Everyone's got to be a Christian or you're out. I think that will be the final hurdle to overcome, as change goes. We can have a female President, a black President, a Hispanic President...but by golly, they'd "better be" Christians. And Protestant Christians at that! I wasn't around in 1960, but I have heard and read about the flap created when John Kennedy ran for President...{{gasp, a Catholic!}} And once he was elected there were crazy rumors going around that the Vatican would be running the U.S. and calling the shots.

It's humorous in a sad way to see Presidential candidates sounding like quasi-preachers sometimes; practically banging on the pulpit and you can almost hear the choir in the background. I don't doubt that some of these politicians have some religious beliefs, perhaps may even be loyal to their denomination or whatever...but of course it's often more a tool than anything else.

The last change in the Presidency will be the religion issue. If Al Gore would have won the 2000 Elections, we would have had our first Jewish Vice President. :up:

Will there ever even be a first openly agnostic President? I doubt a professed atheist will ever hold office. :-\

Anyway, back to my original point: 3 strong parties, to breakup the deadlock of the Dems and Repubs. It's getting pathological.

--Cindy

Cobra Commander · 2005-03-01 06:45:28

Ian:

I think Obi-Wan Kenobi said it better, "Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view."

Except that in that case Obi Wan had been deliberately deceptive. Stinkin' lying' Jedi, got what was coming to them.

By the way, Cobra, please explain how you consider yourself to be fascist. You just sound so moderate.

Some people spend their idealistic youth phase flirting with some form of socialism, I went fascist because it made more sense. Hindsight makes it clear that either could work wonderfully... if only human nature were fundamentally different.

As it stands the combination of me moving away from fascism and most people not understanding what fascism is makes the label less than apt.

But I've been called it so many times it's comfortable.

EDIT::
Looking at it again, this sleep-deprived morning answer is woefully lacking. I will elaborate on it later, when I have time to properly treat the question as it's a bit complex. Being a Democrat is easy, balancing the best aspects of the Enlightenment, fascism and traditional American ideals takes a bit more explanation, especially when it is one of two incompatible but equally acceptable approaches. It'll give Bill some ammo too, I sense the Thunderdome of debate-sparring coming up.
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Bill, regarding Bush, I can't quite figure him out. I tend to swing between two extremes: he is either the Anti-Christ or just as dumb as a pile of marbles.

Well, all I can comment is this: The man went to Yale, he has an MBA. He can say "nuclear" correctly if he really wants to. You don't get to be President if you're a blithering dumbass.

Regarding the comments from Dicktice, Cindy and others on Presidential candidates other than Protestent men: I'm of the opinion that the idea underlying the question is flawed. I'll vote for whichever candidate I prefer, gender and faith not withstanding. All too often I run across people (mostly on the Left) who say we need a woman/black/whatever President to help end sexism/racism/whatever. Am I the only one that finds that amusing? Gender discrimination is bad, we need a woman to run.

Can't we just get a candidate that makes friggin' sense and isn't a tool, skin color and genitalia not withstanding?

Shaun:

God! Is it possible?
Another thread in which Bill and CC can play "1001 Ways To Say The Same Thing" .. again!!

Forgot to bow after that match didn't I?

One day Bill and I have to run against each other for something so we can do this for real.

CC doesn't sya he's a fascist, exactly, he says he's a "recovering fascist" ... and that's his story until after he's elected!

Yeah, elected... <shifty eyes look about> ... elected, sure.

Cindy:

Will there ever even be a first openly agnostic President? I doubt a professed atheist will ever hold office. :-\

See above.

EDIT::

Anyway, back to my original point: 3 strong parties, to breakup the deadlock of the Dems and Repubs. It's getting pathological.

Actually there's just this setup in an indie film I'm working on at the moment. Three parties: Terran Republic, Liberal Socialist, Federal Imperialist. Each with a distinctly different approach to securing the wellbeing of the populace and expanding humanity's celestial holdings, or not in the case of Terran Republic.

But Terran Republic and LibSoc are rough analogs of the current parties and Cindy doesn't strike me as a FedImp.

Edited By Cobra Commander on 1109709102

Palomar · 2005-03-01 07:10:14

Regarding the comments from Dicktice, Cindy and others on Presidential candidates other than Protestent men:

*Whoa... Let's back up. I know you follow threads closely and seldom (if ever) confuse an issue, and I don't believe you're confused currently, but your wording could be misunderstood by others who aren't following the thread closely or who might soon read the thread for the first time at this point: For clarification, I didn't bring up the gender issue, dicktice did. My comments centered around non-Protestants (the religion issue).

I'm of the opinion that the idea underlying the question is flawed. I'll vote for whichever candidate I prefer, gender and faith not withstanding. All too often I run across people (mostly on the Left) who say we need a woman/black/whatever President to help end sexism/racism/whatever. Am I the only one that finds that amusing? Gender discrimination is bad, we need a woman to run.

I agree. I always vote for the person I think is best suited for the job: Gender, religion, race, etc. aside.

Can't we just get a candidate that makes friggin' sense and isn't a tool, skin color and genitalia not withstanding?

Yeah, that's what I want. However, I would like to see the stranglehold Christianity has over politics broken. The Christian majority and their demands limit the choices of Presidential candidates we have or can have. If you're not a Christian, you're not going to the Oval Office.

Does that not bother you?

--Cindy

Cobra Commander · 2005-03-01 07:30:39

For clarification, I didn't bring up the gender issue, dicktice did. My comments centered around non-Protestants (the religion issue).

I sacrificed clarity for brevity by lumping both issues together. No confusion or offense intended.

If you're not a Christian, you're not going to the Oval Office.
Does that not bother you?

I suppose on some level it should, but not really. Perhaps if I actually wanted to be President and thought there was a chance but for that one thing I might feel differently about it, but as it stands the majority of the country consider themselves Christian in some sense or another and a good chunk of them think it's important. If there were some law saying Presidential candidates had to swear an oath of fealty to the Church I'd oppose it, but if the voters won't elect a non-Christian it's just democracy in action. That particular faith is deeply woven into the fabric of this country, it's just one of those "that's how it is" things.

Still, I wouldn't mind seeing a newly-elected President take the oath of office and at the end, when everyone is waiting for the traditionally tacked-on "so help me God", just stand there staring down the Chief Justice. There's just something about uncomfortable silences...

Palomar · 2005-03-01 08:01:59

For clarification, I didn't bring up the gender issue, dicktice did. My comments centered around non-Protestants (the religion issue).
I sacrificed clarity for brevity by lumping both issues together. No confusion or offense intended.

*None taken.

Actually there's just this setup in an indie film I'm working on at the moment.

Care to tell us more about it?

--Cindy

Cobra Commander · 2005-03-01 08:18:41

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Actually there's just this setup in an indie film I'm working on at the moment.

Care to tell us more about it?

If I recall MadGrad and Josh inquired about it in the old "Favorite Sci-Fi Movie" thread as well. I'll post a link to the website in there once it's up, hopefully before too long.

But for lack of a proper description that doesn't get Tolkienesque:

When a trio of Martian slackers set out in a ragtag ghetto spacecraft in a quest to get an old probe for buttloads of money adventure, mayhem and laughter ensue. Things explode, people die, Earth falls into fascist tyranny and the entire human race is inadvertantly plunged into war but it all works out for our heroes so it's all good.

Palomar · 2005-03-01 09:10:00

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Actually there's just this setup in an indie film I'm working on at the moment.

Care to tell us more about it?
If I recall MadGrad and Josh inquired about it in the old "Favorite Sci-Fi Movie" thread as well. I'll post a link to the website in there once it's up, hopefully before too long.
But for lack of a proper description that doesn't get Tolkienesque:
When a trio of Martian slackers set out in a ragtag ghetto spacecraft in a quest to get an old probe for buttloads of money adventure, mayhem and laughter ensue. Things explode, people die, Earth falls into fascist tyranny and the entire human race is inadvertantly plunged into war but it all works out for our heroes so it's all good.

*Sounds interesting, Cobra. Yes, I remember the subject coming up previously (months ago), but I couldn't recall which thread.

Best of luck with your project.

I'll look for the name "Cobra Commander" on the credits. :;): Maybe some day we'll at least know your real first name. Unless it -is- Cobra. :laugh:

--Cindy

Cobra Commander · 2005-03-01 09:25:22

I'll look for the name "Cobra Commander" on the credits. Maybe some day we'll at least know your real first name. Unless it -is- Cobra.

That all depends on the IRS. <shifty eyes>

Actually, I did get a credit card application for "Cobra Commander" the other day. :laugh: Haha, stupid spambots.

Palomar · 2005-03-01 09:31:37

Actually, I did get a credit card application for "Cobra Commander" the other day. :laugh: Haha, stupid spambots.

:laugh:

I needed that laugh this morning. "Stupid spambots," teehee.

--Cindy

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