The Anatomy of Terror - Opinions on this essay?

BWhite · 2004-12-01 11:35:39

http://www.juancole.com/2004/12/iraq-el … c.html]The irony of elections:

One reporter offer this
"widespread attitude among Shiites:"
' "This election, for me, will be the happiest moment in my life, because it means we will end the occupation," said Ahmad al-Asadi, who sells mobile phones from a little store alongside the Kadhimiya mosque, a Shiite shrine. That's how Shiite leaders are pitching the vote: as a chance to end America's military presence in Iraq peacefully, through the ballot box. It also is a chance for Iraq's long-downtrodden Shiites, who account for 60 percent of the population, to throw off centuries of oppression by the Sunni minority and take a commanding role in the country's government. '

What we will get is a moderately free state NOT ruled by murderous goons yet who look to an Islamic cleric as their primary source of moral authority.

Hey, so long as we Americans can accept that 2 out of 3 ain't bad (Meatloaf anyone?) things might actually be okay. But, we could have had this same result 14 months ago. And, Shia Iran becomes a major fringe benefit winner from this result.

Bring on the elections!

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0, … 0.html]And this:

Iraq's Shia parties have built a powerful political alliance uniting moderates with extremists and seem likely to dominate next month's general election. The coalition, formed in weeks of private negotiations, will put forward a joint list of candidates. The process has been overseen by Iraq's most revered Shia cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, who has designated aides to unite the diverse Shia parties and to vet the many independent candidates standing with them.
Although he seeks no political role for himself, the influence of the Iranian-born ayatollah will ensure that the government has a deeply religious character and that Islam is a central tenet of the constitution that must be written next year.

Sistani is one crafty dude.

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clark · 2004-12-01 13:27:27

Hmmm, I wonder what Saudi Arabia might think of a Shia democracy/theocracy in Iraq...

They routinely suppress their own Shiite population (saudi arabia being primarily Whabbi Sunni)

And the idea of "autonomous" anything is a bit far fetched. What are we going to do when the Shia dominant government insist that Kudish controlled autonomous zones are illegal? Which side do you choose in that civil war?

BWhite · 2004-12-01 13:39:38

Hmmm, I wonder what Saudi Arabia might think of a Shia democracy/theocracy in Iraq...
They routinely suppress their own Shiite population (saudi arabia being primarily Whabbi Sunni)
And the idea of "autonomous" anything is a bit far fetched. What are we going to do when the Shia dominant government insist that Kudish controlled autonomous zones are illegal? Which side do you choose in that civil war?

Yup. The Saudis won't like it one bit.

As for the Kurds, no one in Iraq will mess with the peshmerga so long as there are resentful Sunni Baath causing trouble. But otherwise I agree, Kurdistan will be essentially independent perhaps with a figleaf of Iraqi statehood for the sake of appearances. And an Iraq-Turkish war may well happen because of it.

(Kurds in Iraq are freedom fighters while Kurds in Turkey are terrorists. Yup, its a black & white world)

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Here's an idea. Release Saddam and put him back in power.

After all, a secular strongman running Iraq simply is the best way to resolve the many cans of worms you describe.

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clark · 2004-12-01 13:43:38

After all, a secular strongman running Iraq simply is the best way to resolve the many cans of worms you describe.

We break it, we fix it.

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-09-21 09:56:39

an old topic, more terror in news

There was a difference, Bush junior couldn't find bin Laden, Obama the Middle East goes on fire but he killed bin Laden, Trump hot headed and controversial destorys ISIS and then during Biden we see the a long war come to an end, the fall of Afghanistan to the Taliban.

Donald Trump: 'I Think Islam Hates Us'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmwIGXW_JDE

Biden snags support from Muslim American community - 1 million muslim voters, President Obama said the 'future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuNHgLW52Ak

US 'pragmatic Engagement' In Afghanistan Might Risk Legitimatizing Taliban Rule
https://www.republicworld.com/world-new … eshow.html

Sikh Terrorism, an Insurgency in Punjab, India was an armed campaign by the militants of the Khalistan Movement from the mid-1980s to the mid-1990s

Different layers and flavor of mohammedanism have so many levels.

Osama bin Laden, his jihadi ghosts and words of murder still existand the smoke of jihad spreading across the Balkans, he was 'useful' against the Soviets but back in 1999, the press reported that Bin Laden and his Tunisian assistant Mehrez Aodouni were granted citizenship and Bosnian passports in 1993 by the government in Sarajevo. The Bosnian government denied this information following the September 11 attacks, but it was later found that Aodouni was arrested in Turkey and that at that time he possessed the Bosnian passport. Following this revelation, a new explanation was given that Bin Laden did not personally collect his Bosnian passport and that officials at the Bosnian embassy in Vienna, which issued the passport, could not have known who Bin Laden was at the time. The Bosnian daily Oslobođenje published in 2001 that three men, believed to be linked to Bin Laden, were arrested in Sarajevo in July 2001. The three, one of whom was identified as Imad El Misri, were Egyptian nationals. The paper said that two of the suspects were holding Bosnian passports. The head of Albania's State Intelligence Service (SHISH), Fatos Klosi, said that Osama was running a terror network in Albania to take part in the Kosovo War under the guise of a humanitarian organisation and it was reported to have been started in 1994. Claude Kader, who was a member, testified its existence during his trial. By 1998, four members of Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ) were arrested in Albania and extradited to Egypt. The mujahideen fighters were organised by Islamic leaders in Western Europe allied to him and Zawihiri. During his trial at the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia, former Serbian President Slobodan Milošević quoted from a purported FBI report that Bin Laden's al-Qaeda had a presence in the Balkans and aided the Kosovo Liberation Army. He claimed Bin Laden had used Albania as a launchpad for violence in the region and Europe. He claimed that they had informed Richard Holbrooke that KLA was being aided by al-Qaeda but the US decided to cooperate with the KLA and thus indirectly with Osama despite the 1998 United States embassy bombings earlier. he was wanted for US embassy bombings, the US government officials named Bin Laden and the al-Qaeda organization as the prime suspects and offered a reward of $25 million for information leading to his capture or death. In July 2007, the Senate voted to double the reward to $50 million...not once did any muslim near him willingly give information on him even for such a massive reward.

Joe Biden marked 9/11 far from terrorist attack sites with Alaska trip as Harris visits Ground Zero instead
https://nypost.com/2023/09/11/biden-spe … ro-in-nyc/

Biden admin hands $6 billion to terror sponsor Iran for hostages in deal announced on 22nd anniversary of 9/11
https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/b … 8e7807dda8

Swedish court upholds prison sentence for Turkish man linked to outlawed militant party
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wi … -103335699

India tells Canada to act against those facing terrorism charges
https://www.firstpost.com/world/india-t … 54592.html

Sultan bin Salman Al Saud a Saudi prince who flew aboard the American STS-51-G

Terror can be Leftwing or Rightwing after 9-11 it has been linked to religion and the ways of jihad or islamism

an older thread bumped

"Axiom Space's chief astronaut and former NASA astronaut Michael Lopez-Alegria will command the private mission. Italian Air Force Col. Walter Villadei will serve as pilot. The two mission specialists are Alper Gezeravci of Turkey and ESA (European Space Agency) project astronaut Marcus Wandt of Sweden," NASA said in a press release
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/nasa- … 32220.html

Axiom Mission III or Ax-3 a planned private spaceflight to the International Space Station. The flight, scheduled to launch no earlier than January 2024

With guys like Michael T. Suffredini and Kam Ghaffarian making space multi-cultured perhaps an exploration of Theocracy Religion, the expansion of radicals to Space and influence on the new Martian aliens

Expansion of the Turkish Space Agency

Islamic Republic of Pakistan: Police tell Christian churches to ‘hire private guards, we cannot protect you’
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2023/09/isla … rotect-you

Tamil Tigers and Japanese Kamikaze were suicide bombers but non-islamic

The 2018 Toronto shooting was a mass shooting that law enforcement officials did not connect to terrorism, it was reclassed mental health issues while he did not say Al-Lah hu ackbar a few times on livestream into the camera? 'Terror' in the broad sense, is the use of intentional religious war or political violence, bombing and fear to achieve political or ideological aims, Reagan had meetings with Afghan jihad leaders, Cubana de Aviación Flight 455 was a Cuban flight from Barbados to Jamaica that was brought down by a terrorist bomb attack. Pan Am Flight 103 was a regularly scheduled Pan Am transatlantic flight from Frankfurt to Detroit via a stopover in London and another in New York City. Large sections of the aircraft crashed in a residential street in Lockerbie, killing 11 residents. In terror attack sometimes belief is old and religious, other times it is fueled by ethno cultural historical tension, while State Terrorism is something funded by the State a bomber culture of war that is perpetrated and promoted by nation states.

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Mars_B4_Moon · 2024-03-23 04:53:28

Suicide Bomber Hits Taliban’s Political Base in Southern Afghanistan
https://www.voanews.com/a/suicide-bombe … 36635.html

Islamic State’s deadly Moscow attack highlights its fixation with Russia
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/ … amic-state

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