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#126 2004-11-23 13:13:12

SpaceNut
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Re: Bush Sets Wrong Goal?

[color=#000000:post_uid14]Space Exploration and a Tale of Two Presidents Bush or so it would seem.
I think he has been trying to finish up what daddy had started more than anything with regards to putting Nasa on the right path. Of couse the article includes that magical word Trillion for estimate but we all know thats false.[/color:post_uid14]

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#127 2006-03-27 10:38:56

Yang Liwei Rocket
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Enyo,  We won't be back to the moon before Bush is out of the White House..   The presidency is limited to two terms.  Also, thats under the impression that he gets re-elected.  Being that this is the first thing Bush has done That I like,  I am not voting for him.

More of the same, only different.
LINK
That was the mixed message offered by Republicans who want to succeed President Bush, as they gathered over a three-day weekend here for the first White House audition of the 2008 campaign.

NASA cuts in research budget bring regrets, concerns
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascit … 196694.htm
HOUSTON - This Wednesday evening, if all goes according to plan, an American astronaut and a Russian cosmonaut will blast off aboard a Russian rocket headed for the International Space Station, the latest crew in an uninterrupted procession that has kept humans aboard the station for more than five years.

The cover story of this week's TIME magazine is on global warming. The title: "Be Worried. Be Very Worried." I agree with Chris that this is a huge deal, and further evidence that the issue of global warming is nearing a tipping point in public consciousness. The Battle of the Skeptics is over.
http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/3/26/14338/8641/
They lost. Now talk will turn in earnest to what we can do about it.

Scientists object to Bush's moon-Mars missions
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercuryn … 001410.htm
WASHINGTON - Scientists who study the sun, moon, planets and stars on Thursday protested the Bush administration's plan to send humans back to the moon and on to Mars.

They say the president's two-year-old Vision for Space Exploration program is gobbling up billions of dollars that they think could be better used for less expensive projects, including new telescopes and unmanned robots such as the twin rovers on Mars.

Blind in space
Budget cuts threatening satellites that forecast hurricanes, study global warming
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This is dangerous
http://www.flatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a … 04/opinion

Jeb Bush 2008 ?
http://www.slate.com/id/2138031/
As a politician's politician, George W. Bush must have smiled to hear what Republicans who dream of succeeding him had to say in Memphis this weekend. Like any second-term president, he wants the wannabes to run for his third term. Yet Bush understands better than anyone how hard winning a third term can be.

Republicans start search for George Bush's replacement
By Rupert Cornwell in Washington
Published: 13 March 2006
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/ame … 350913.ece
The next US presidential election is still more than two and a half years away. But that didn't stop Republicans scared stiff by George Bush's wretched second-term performance from holding a beauty contest to look for his successor this weekend.


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did China build a great Wall in a day ?' ( Y L R newmars forum member )

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#128 2006-03-27 10:42:10

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Re: Bush Sets Wrong Goal?

Space Exploration and a Tale of Two Presidents Bush or so it would seem.
I think he has been trying to finish up what daddy had started more than anything with regards to putting Nasa on the right path. Of couse the article includes that magical word Trillion for estimate but we all know thats false.

Do you think he'll mention 'the Vision' in his speech again ?

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#129 2006-03-27 12:14:31

Yang Liwei Rocket
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Space Scientists Whining About Bush, NASA
http://www.bloggernews.net/2006/03/spac … -bush.html
Apparently some space scientists upset about the President's vision for launching humanity off this rock and onto it's lunar neighbor. With NASA focusing on putting humanity back on the moon permanently, scientists are complaining that their toes have already been stepped on--in other words, their projects cut.

Earlier, I’d spoken to planetary scientist Jonathan Lunine of the University of Arizona, Tucson, who told me: “As far as NASA goes we have no strategy for the outer Solar System any more – it’s in a complete shambles.” He worries that the astrobiology program, which has seen some of the most significant cuts, will really suffer.
http://blogs.nature.com/news/blog/2006/ … tless.html
This comes up again in the meeting, with Cleave countering that astrobiology was not being killed, “just slowed down.” An audience member disagrees, saying that it is the biggest threat to their science in a generation. Emily Lakdawalla of the Planetary Society stood up to announce that they were launching a 'Save Our Science' campaign.


Maher: Bush Guilty of “Treason” for Putting “Oil Profits” Before Global Warming Proof
Posted by Brent Baker on March 25, 2006 - 05:58.
http://newsbusters.org/node/4616
Bill Maher ended his HBO show Friday night, Real Time with Bill Maher, with a tirade about supposed efforts by the Bush administration to suppress information about global warming. Picking up on the allegations of NASA's James Hansen who was featured on last Sunday's 60 Minutes, Maher charged that “cowboy” Bush “and his corporate goons at the White House tried to censor Mr. Hansen from delivering” the message that carbon dioxide emissions must be reduced within ten years or a disastrous “tipping point” will be reached.

GW approval animation
http://www.radicalruss.net/blog/images/bushmap-new.gif


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#130 2006-03-27 12:30:11

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George Deutsch was forced to resign, he's gone now

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#131 2006-03-29 15:34:56

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Re: Bush Sets Wrong Goal?

Yang Liwei Rocket wrote:

Maher: Bush Guilty of “Treason” for Putting “Oil Profits” Before Global Warming Proof
Posted by Brent Baker on March 25, 2006 - 05:58.
http://newsbusters.org/node/4616
Bill Maher ended his HBO show Friday night, Real Time with Bill Maher, with a tirade about supposed efforts by the Bush administration to suppress information about global warming.

These are the same folks who pridected--in the 1970's--how the sky would be black as the ace of spades--and how we would run out of oil by the year 2000 and be in a new ice age. Same old fear mongering.

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#132 2007-04-12 21:11:33

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[url=http://www.theeagle.com/stories/033107/nation_20070331028.php]NASA worries about gap in flights
Sometime in 2010, the world's leading space-exploring nation will say goodbye to manned space flight for more than four years.

And that has U.S. policy-makers worried.
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#133 2008-02-10 00:52:02

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Griffin: Lost contracts fuel criticism of NASA
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/spa … 2085.story

The Moon: destination or distraction?
http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080206/ … 1612a.html

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#134 2008-02-10 02:04:26

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Re: Bush Sets Wrong Goal?

It seems Bush has set a very specific goal concerning the moon, and a very vague one concerning Mars. While this is definitely a step forward for space exploration, I can't help wonder how the huge media interest in a manned Mars mission didn't get across to the president.

First off, your nation isn't spacefaring unless you wanna count hitching a ride with the USA or Russia.  We don't need another person here going off like gaeto bad-mouthing the capabilities of those that do.

Second, the BBC I watch because it has a few nice comedy programs.  Did it occur to you alot of shows like the ones you refer to...are fiction?  Most of the time even shows on the Discovery channel are cobbled together using whatever's popular at the time but not nessicarily happening.  I remember Beyond 2000 before it went off the air running programs about ESA's now-canceled Hermes program.


Why did the President fail to hear the call of Mars? We've been to the moon. Lets move on.

And to the Russians: Adopt Mars Direct, Revive the Energia, and show those fat yanks how to conduct real science!

Mars is not an easy goal - you're talking about going from traveling in terms of thousands of kilometers to terms of traveling tens of millions of kilometers!  If a crew of astronauts gets irradiated by the Sun due to a solar flare or some last-minute-underestimated-flaw that would kill an international program outright or cripple a national one like the shuttle program after Challenger and Columbia. 

One thing that ought to be determined before a ship is sent to Mars, at least, is whether the soil is not merely iron-bearing or water-rich...but poisinous.  The lunar soil we know can cause lung damage if you breathe it in, and the fact we know something about it is a step further than Martian exploration.

Don't hold your breath for the Russians, they're good but not that good.  Energia is their dead elephant just as the ISS is NASA/ESA's.

Regarding the moon program NASA is doing...consider this phrase: don't shoot a gift horse in the mouth.  We could still be circling the Earth aimlessly yet if enthusiasts and professionals alike derail what might be the first step to getting us out of Low Earth Orbit.

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#135 2008-05-01 09:51:41

Tom Kalbfus
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Good point Bill. I like the tag too  big_smile

I don't believe the question is weither Bush set the right goal for NASA, but weither goal setting is enough. Kennedy did more than make an election year speech, he backed up his words with record increases in NASA spending to ge the job done. As far as I know, Bush has said nothing more since his January speech.

I'm also severly disappointed that Boe/Lock seem destined to build the CEV. I guess white elephants breed.
big_smile

As for the Bush Administration's overall science policy, I think the Emporer of Star Wars fame said it best, 'your failure is now complete.....'

No, it was actually Congress that backed Kennedy up. John F. Kennedy didn't appropriate a single US dollar for the Apollo program, he only signed the spending bills once they were approved by Congress.

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