You are not logged in.
- Topics: Active | Unanswered
Announcement
#26 2026-05-04 08:06:27
- Void
- Member
- Registered: 2011-12-29
- Posts: 9,511
Re: Data Centers (Including Off World)
While I am interested in the Ocean methods I have worked towards, I am fully on board with the notion of orbital data centers. I want that understood. Typical sports minded people (Who are typical minds), think in terms of binary contests. I tend not to .
The reason about the nutrients in the Oceans is a comfort to me.
I have lived a life where the powers that have put myself and many other people into prolonged stress.
They do not want western peoples to produce Carbon.
But Energy producers will have not prohibition put on them. So, then in my world the European??? powers that put the prohibition on Western peoples, have no right to do so, and even though they have tried with all their might to kill Shale and perhaps Tar Sands, I promote both of them because I know we have been being raped by the world powers.
At this tine as well third world powers have been given license to unlimited expansion of the production of Carbon into the Air.
I am afraid that I think that what has really happened is that upon the use of China to combat the Soviet Union, and the emergence of OPEC, money in the hands of non-western peoples have allow the bending of the will of the west by bribes to western politicians.
The plan was to set up a no-win situation for the West. But in the Oceans both cold and nutrients, I see a win possibility for the West.
I think also we can factor in the European urge to create the super man. It should not exist at this point but I think it does. The idea that conflict and cruelty will kill off the weak and cause the emergences of s superior race.
I will not go into further detail but if you consider the possibility that this is all a game from the elites, who expect to buy they way out of trouble, it could explain WWI and WWI, and how the Europeans have appeared to do every stupid thing to their countries that they could find to do.
If you took Darwinism to heart as many of them probably did, it may be that they often take common people as not worth the air they breathe.
The idea that the application of cruelty can lead to advancement, is an easy choice for the spoiled and lazy minds.
I want to side-step their idiot plans.
Ending Pending 
Last edited by Void (2026-05-04 08:19:25)
Is it possible that the root of political science claims is to produce white collar jobs for people who paid for an education and do not want a real job?
Offline
Like button can go here
#27 2026-05-11 07:37:03
- Void
- Member
- Registered: 2011-12-29
- Posts: 9,511
Re: Data Centers (Including Off World)
I am wondering the morning about Mars and data centers.
Query: "Sun Synchronous orbit of Mars"
Image Quote: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun-synchronous_orbit
Quote:
A Sun-synchronous orbit (SSO) around Mars is a type of orbit where the satellite passes over any given point of the planet's surface at the same local mean solar time. This orbit is particularly useful for imaging and reconnaissance satellites, as it provides consistent lighting conditions for data collection.
Precession: The orbital plane of the satellite precesses approximately one degree eastward each day, keeping pace with Mars' revolution around the Sun.
1
Applications: SSO is beneficial for satellites that require precise illumination angles, such as weather and remote-sensing instruments.
1
Examples: Several Martian satellites, like the Mars Global Surveyor, have been placed into Sun-synchronous orbits to optimize their operational efficiency.
1For more detailed information, you can refer to the sources and.
Sun Synchronous orbit of Mars that passes near the two poles?
Quote:
About 93.1 degrees
A sun-synchronous orbit of Mars that passes near the two poles is characterized by an inclination of about 93.1 degrees. This type of orbit allows the spacecraft to maintain a nearly constant angle from the Sun to Mars, crossing the equator at roughly the same local time every day. The Mars Global Surveyor mission utilized a sun-synchronous orbit with a descending node orientation of 2:00 p.m., ensuring consistent lighting conditions for imaging and data collection.
The Planetary Society
+1
Some questions remain, such as how high can the altitude be? The lower limit of course is the atmosphere, but how hich of an orbit can you have?
Query: "how high can a Sun synchronous orbit of Mars be?"
Quote:
Approximately 378 km
A Sun-synchronous orbit of Mars can be maintained at an altitude of approximately 378 km. This type of orbit allows the satellite to cross the equator at the same local time every day, which is useful for imaging and reconnaissance missions.
Wikipedia
So, I have a measure of uncertainty about this, but if we tried to translate proposed a Unsynchronous Satellite system to Mars, it may be able to project energy from orbit to ice deposits on the surface of Mars.
Unlike for Earth the source of materials for solar power methods in orbit could be from Phobos and Deimos, and you would not need a Mass Driver to reach orbit with the materials.
The situation for Mars might be different though, where most of the data processing chips might be in water reservoirs on Mars, and power might be projected to them from orbit.
In the case of the poles and Korolev Crater, large melt water reservoirs, likely covered in protected ice layers, might serve as radiators.
The water reservoirs might also support life that consumes Hydrogen and Martian Atmosphere.
Water could be split to provide Oxygen for various uses, and Hydrogen.
Query:
Microbes that live on Hydrogen and CO2 and produce Methane?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methanogen
Quote:
Methanogens
Microbes that live on hydrogen and CO2 and produce methane include methanogens, which are anaerobic archaea. They utilize hydrogen gas (H2) and carbon dioxide (CO2) as substrates to produce methane through a process called methanogenesis. Methanogens thrive in anaerobic environments, such as wetlands, the digestive tracts of animals, and landfills, where oxygen is absent. They play a crucial role in the global carbon cycle by converting organic matter into methane, which is a potent greenhouse gas.
Wikipedia
+4
If they consume Martian atmosphere and Hydrogen, they will produce biomass and a gas mix of Methane, Nitrogen, and Argon.
Using Cast Basalt pipe this could be transferred round the planet's surface.
https://cbpengineering.com/pdf/CBP-Basalt_Pipe.pdf
Unlike water methane should not freeze on Mars. Anywhere it was delivered it could be reacted with Oxygen from CO2, to produce water.
So, you could perhaps make ice covered water reservoirs with such a process, almost anywhere on the Planet.
So, Mars/Phobos/Deimos as a large thinking machine may be a path to follow.
Ending Pending
Last edited by Void (2026-05-11 08:35:06)
Is it possible that the root of political science claims is to produce white collar jobs for people who paid for an education and do not want a real job?
Offline
Like button can go here
#28 2026-05-13 09:08:57
- Void
- Member
- Registered: 2011-12-29
- Posts: 9,511
Re: Data Centers (Including Off World)
So, I am considering what will "Saturate" first, in the idea of a "Space Junk Business".
So, I read that Star links last about 5 years. They are then burned up in the Earth's atmosphere. That may or may not remain the process for Star Links.
Data Center Satellites will be in a higher orbit, I believe. So, many what about recycling them?
What about recycling Starships of a certain type in orbit, since you will already have a recycle process in orbit for the data center Satellites.
Yes of course, it will be desirable to have "Down-Mass" Starships, but because of issues of "Saturation", it may make sense to make One-Time Starships.
It cannot be helped that you must have a launch facility for every Starship launch. But if you land all Starships back to Earth, then you may interfere with the Launching facilities as they may be saturated.
The value of the Starship materials may be greater in orbit than to return to Earth, if Starships could be recycled into parts for Data Center Satellites. And in doing this you relieve the saturation of the landing facilities. Saturated landing facilities might also interfere with launches, and cause them to be saturated.
It might be that "Down-Mass" Starships might be used to bring raptor engines and other special parts back down to Earth for reuse. Or, it might be that the raptor engines even could be recycled for building structures in space.
With presumed artificial labor, it might make sense to make a "Plain-Jane" type of Starship for One-Time use. In some cases, the more of something you make the lower the price per unit. But this might be especially true if the 'Plain-Janes" could be recycled in orbit for something useful like "Data Center Satellites.
Ending Pending
Last edited by Void (2026-05-13 09:20:52)
Is it possible that the root of political science claims is to produce white collar jobs for people who paid for an education and do not want a real job?
Offline
Like button can go here
#29 2026-05-15 05:33:54
- Void
- Member
- Registered: 2011-12-29
- Posts: 9,511
Re: Data Centers (Including Off World)
A Utube presenter "Scott Manley" made mention of a company that intends to make a rocket 2nd stage into a data center.
So this morning I asked a question: "Making a rocket 2nd stage into a data center?"
As usual, my phone does a better job:
Making a rocket 2nd stage into a data center?
Converting a rocket's second stage into a orbital data center is an emerging aerospace concept designed to utilize the already launched structure as a computing platform in space aiming to meet high AI demand while reducting hardware waste
Key Players and Developments (As of May 2026).
> Cowboy Space (Formerly Aetherflux):
This startup raised $275 million in Seres B funding to develop this exact technology. They plan to use their own in--house developed rockets, where the second stage becomes a 1-megawatt data center module once in Low Earth Orbit (LEO).Alternative Approaches: While Cowboy Space Focuses on utilizing the second stage itself, other concepts including "Project Suncatcher" (reportedly involving SpaceX and Google) , are exploring massive satellite constellations to create orbital AI compute.
. Timeline: Cowboy Space aims for its first satellite demonstration in 2026/2027 and a full rocket launch by 2028.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technolo … r-AA22UPVQ Quote:
There aren’t enough rockets for space data centers. Cowboy Space raised $275 million to build them.
Story by Tim Fernholz • 3d •
4 min read
I have been thinking about the above for a bit now.
What I am wondering is if propellant tankers can be converted in orbit to be such data centers.
A propellant tanker perhaps does not need a prescribable hatch. Plain Jane in nature.
If a subsequent launch could bring fixtures like solar panels, and the chips-etc. then I have an idea for a "Chain-Mail radiator method.
https://stablediffusionweb.com/image/24 … n-mail-art
Not this particular style, but a chain-mail wrapper, or jacket, or sleeve could be wrapped around the outer skin of a 2nd stage in LEO>
Vacuum welding could be used to bond it to the skin of the ship. In the case of Starship, a form of Stainless Steel.
Properly done this might increase the radiating surface of the structure, radiating heat into the universe.
Probably the wrapped wand stage would be placed behind a solar array to be shaded. The Chips-etc. would be mounted inside of the structure, perhaps somehow bonded to the inner wall of the shell.
For a fluid heat pump system might be used. If you raise the skin of the ship to 180 degrees C then the other side of the system would be cold.
The higher the temperature of the radiator the more heat it can radiate.
One propellent tank cold one hot.
https://www.enerin.no/hoegtemp
Quote:
Decarbonize now with Enerin’s ultra high-temperature HoegTemp® heat pumps. Enerin’s unique, patented technology and experience supplies industrial heat up to 250°C, with market leading efficiency and performance.
Ending Pending
Last edited by Void (2026-05-15 06:05:31)
Is it possible that the root of political science claims is to produce white collar jobs for people who paid for an education and do not want a real job?
Offline
Like button can go here
#30 2026-05-16 08:23:54
- Void
- Member
- Registered: 2011-12-29
- Posts: 9,511
Re: Data Centers (Including Off World)
I do see some complications with using chain mail as radiator surface, as you need to control when and how vacuum welding may occur.
Instead, I tm thinking of radiator tiles, quite different from insulating of aerobraking tiles.
I would think that Aluminum or some alloy of Aluminum would be preferred. In the case of a "Starship", it might be possible to contact these to the outer surface of a device like a Starship, after it is in LEO. Starship being of a form of Stainless Steel might bond to such tiles, if a Steel coating were put on the base of the tiles.
But further I want magnetic properties to be inherent in the tiles so that if the come lose they may drift to a magnetic attractor.
Generally Stainless Steel and Aluminum do not favor magnetic properties.
Supposing that Aluminum was printed by 3D printing to make these radiator tiles, then it may be possible to embed tiny magnets into it during the process.
My interest in magnetic tiles, is that the tiles may be chipped by impactors, or come lose. I want them to tend to drift to a magnetic collection device of some sort.
I do not know if a data center in syn synchronous would be adversely affected by the presence of such a magnetic collector or not. Magnetism might cause displacement of orientation of a Satellite, but then if you use that as a method to guide the satellites orientation that may be a good thing.
I am running on the notions that WHAT GOES UP WE PREFER TO KEEP UP.
While for now it makes sense to dump dead Satellites into the atmosphere, once you have the means, you might recycle the materials of Satellites in orbit indefinitely, and it would be stupid both from a atmospheric pollution view or waste of resources to continue to dump these into the atmosphere.
My understanding is that if Starship or another method can lift mass to orbit for $200.00 or less then orbital data centers will be economically preferred. The hope is that a price between $10.00 to $100.00 will eventually be arrived at.
Pause...............
Starting with a one-time-tanker, what could be the economic benefits?
First, if the lift capacity might be 350 tons of cargo, (Because it is relatively light weight), You lift that much fluid cargo.
Fluid Cargo could be various things, like Oxygen, Methane, Hydrogen? water, oil. (Oil will contain Carbon, so then a path to Methane and Oxygen, using water).
The spent ships might have parts taken from them like engines and avionics to be reused?
The ships being perhaps bundled together might be used to deal with certain sized space junk. Put into the path of a correct sized space junk item, a puncture from the outside in may make a hole, but the opposite wall would collect the debris of that impact. So, these may also be used to shield other things that are desired to be protected, like space stations.
When that service is done these may then have their punctures repaired and might be outfitted to become the chassis of data centers.
To pay for the space junk clearance, perhaps international donations from space fairing nations might be obtained.
After a data center would wear out, it is possible that it could be refurbished. Soler panels recycled into something useful and also replaced, and perhaps chips upgraded.
As I have said, I don't think that it makes sense to dump data centers into the atmosphere.
I think one value of what I have provided is that if you need to send a mission to the Moon or Mars, You could have a batch of "Plain Jane" tanker starships and if you have enough launch towers launch them in rapid progression to fill a mission ship.
Then transport them to be bundled, extract valuable parts, and then use them to clear space junk (Of an appropriate size), and then convert them to data centers.
I think it might be a good way to go.
Ending Pending
Last edited by Void (2026-05-16 08:58:01)
Is it possible that the root of political science claims is to produce white collar jobs for people who paid for an education and do not want a real job?
Offline
Like button can go here
#31 2026-05-16 16:31:41
- Void
- Member
- Registered: 2011-12-29
- Posts: 9,511
Re: Data Centers (Including Off World)
Well, sure enough here it comes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKK0dgDIxKY
Quote:
SpaceX Megaconstellation Project May Endanger the Ozone Layer
Anton Petrov
1.6M subscribers
I like Anton Petrov and his message here is worth study in my opinion.
But it is best if this problem is addressed rationally. Otherwise, an opportunity for troublemakers to establish a Looters estate of interference, to extort money and power. Involve the usual suspects, the politicians, the news media and at lower levels frustrated apparently fertile young women, and their stupid alphas, and their frustrated beta's.
I think it is stupid to dump mass into the atmosphere in large quantities. For the reasons mentioned and because that mass has value.
Solar panels, very likely could have Oxygen extracted from their mass and may yield conductive materials that could be used in a Neumann Drive or Magdrive. Those both could toss most of their exhaust away from the atmoshere.
And most metals could be reprocessed to make things in orbit.
It is likely true that the Earth naturally gets metals and such dumped into it, but indeed there could be too much artificial stuff. I agree wit that.
But not surprise, I have been around for acid rain, Ozone depletion, Ice age coming, climate warming, now again climate cooling.
To some degree it is a good thing to consider what is happening and what can be done.
But this time let's not let the idiots overexcite all the people who need medication to get by.
Ending Pending
Last edited by Void (2026-05-16 16:44:47)
Is it possible that the root of political science claims is to produce white collar jobs for people who paid for an education and do not want a real job?
Offline
Like button can go here
#32 2026-05-17 09:12:17
- Void
- Member
- Registered: 2011-12-29
- Posts: 9,511
Re: Data Centers (Including Off World)
I am very comfortable with the idea that what I might say may only be approximately correct. Getting it wrong in some circumstances can promote eventually getting it right.
So, I have been thinking about stranded orbital starships. This would be a full fledged Starship that made to orbit, but is exhaling a problem that makes is unlikely to successfully return to the Earth's surface. There are choices in that situation.
-You could pay to repair it.
-Salvage parts to bring to the surface.
-Scuttle it into the Pacific Ocean.
-Scrap it to orbit.
Then there is the Falcon Heavy center core use method. It has turned out that it is not convenient to reuse the center core. So now they use it as a side core several times and then use it one time to be a center core.
So, you could develop life expectancy tables for Starships and hope to push them to orbital salvage after they have completed a calculated number of missions. You might do that as well for engines that have seen a lot of reuses.
For a time, Starships might become obsolete as well as they might be replaced by new models. So Scraping them to orbit may make sense.
Ships that are to be scrapped to orbit might have many accessories removed such as heat shield tiles, flaps and motors etc. Then they could lift the maximum amount of payload to orbit in a one-time-more reuse.
Then as I think I mentioned in another post it might be that mass production could produce a relatively low cost one-time-Starship.
If this mass were lifted to the 1000 km level, then I expect that it would be a long time before the atmosphere slowed them down. So, the mass might be included into the data center process.
Pause.........
I think that the above, thinking favors the nature of the Starship where a lot of dry mass is fully moved to orbit relative to the amount of payload mass.
Also because these ships are of metal mostly, they might feed a magdrive or Neumann Drive system, assisted by laser sent power.
Ships who's solar panels are powered by output from lasers, may have better performance than those that only use sunlight.
So, Neumann Drive or Magdrive tugs may be of value to tow these ships from LEO to Sun synchronous orbit.
Once in Sun Synchronous orbit not all parts of the Starships would be useful in data bases or other uses. So, some parts might be rendered into propellants for Magdrive or Neumann Drive.
My best guess is that some methods of Magdrive may be higher thrust than for Neumann Drive but Neumann Drive may have a high efficiency.
https://magdrive.space/
Quote:
Next-generation spacecraft propulsion
High-thrust electric propulsion systems for the space industry
Our family of electric plasma thrusters offers reliable, high-performance, storable electric propulsion solutions for critical space mission
Something nice from the U.K. I am thinking that higher power units or collections of units will emerge.
Here is a video: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … &FORM=VIRE Quote:
UK startup reimagines the future of spacecraft propulsion | REUTERS
YouTube
Reuters
1.9K views
On the other hand Neumann Drive from Australia, appears to be adaptive to many materials as propellants. Not sure if Magdrive can use all of those materials.
https://neumannspace.com/neumann-drive/
A video: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … ORM=VRDGAR Quote:
Goodbye Xenon, Hello Cheap Metal: Why Neumann Drive Could Dominate Space Propulsion
YouTube
Space Startup News
20.6K views
It may also be true that these two thrust method could be used to grab large chunks of space junk in LEO and convert it to propellant or even structures.
This would greatly reduce the possible Kesler Syndrome.
So, these two groups have done important things.
Ending Pending
Obviously, the Moon of Earth and the Moons of Mars could be used to refuel these devices.
Ending Pending
Last edited by Void (2026-05-17 09:59:37)
Is it possible that the root of political science claims is to produce white collar jobs for people who paid for an education and do not want a real job?
Offline
Like button can go here