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#3151 2026-02-07 18:08:02

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#3152 2026-02-07 18:59:34

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RobertDyck,

ICE are not police.

False.  ICE agents are sworn federal law enforcement officers.

Your line of reasoning on this is about as intelligent as stating that a FBI agent can't pull over and arrest a drunk driver because the legal limit for intoxication varies from state-to-state.  They can and they do, when they have to.  Our courts have already ruled on this matter.  Your creative interpretation of what you think should happen doesn't affect what will actually happen to you if ICE vs FBI vs State Trooper pulls you over for DWI.

Where do you get this crap?!? Alex Pretti did not assault any officer. You appear to be living in a bubble of disinformation.

Yes, you are living in a bubble of disinformation.

I posted a video of Pretti assaulting federal law enforcement officers.

Here it is again since you missed it the first time:
Associated Press -  New video shows Alex Pretti in scuffle with federal officers days before his death

The claim that Alex Pretti assaulted an officer is a deliberate lie.
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He did not assault any officer, he was just murdered.
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Whatever source is telling you he assaulted an officer is deliberately lying to you, so stop listening to them.

The video footage from The Associated Press is not a lie, it was not made up for sake of argument for or against anything, but it shows Pretti seeking out and assaulting ICE agents, vandalizing their vehicle, and then assaulting them while armed with a handgun.  He repeated that same pattern of violent behavior 11 days later.  I don't care what parts your "protesters" chose to film or not film.  He did the same thing twice and was shot the second time he did it.

You are changing the subject. And when Obama was President, ICE did not have teams of thugs roaming the streets, abducting people off the street.

One of the two federal law enforcement officers who shot Pretti was first employed in his federal law enforcement role under President Obama.  When President Obama was President, Minnesota's local and state governments and law enforcement agencies were cooperating with the President so that ICE agents didn't need to go door-to-door to arrest and deport people who had already been arrested by local and state law enforcement officers after they committed various violent crimes (rape, robbery, murder) against people living in America.  That is "what changed" when President Trump became President, because Walz (Governor of Minnesota, Democrat) and Frey (Mayor of Minneapolis, Minnesota, Democrat) decided they no longer had to comply with federal laws.

I'm not defending Obama, he did a number of things I disagree with.

Nobody was asking you to defend President Obama's actions.  I did ask why you said nothing about ICE deporting illegal alien criminals under President Obama.  Your response tells me you don't know what's going on now and didn't know what was going on when President Obama was in office, either.

But Trump is the only President to authorize armed thugs to abduct people off the street, whisk them to El Salvador without trial.

False.

Arrest and deportation can take place at the local jails or we can send ICE agents door-to-door to find and arrest violent illegal alien criminals after they've been released on bail by local and state law enforcement officers.  The people ICE has been deporting have already had trials, and have already been convicted of multiple violent crimes, which is why they shouldn't have been allowed to infiltrate into America to begin with.  In other words, the criminal behavior of these illegal aliens ICE is arresting did not start or end in America.

I live in Canada.

I didn't forget where you live, not that you'd ever let anyone forget that you're Canadian.

I have to remind you that US officers and agents have no jurisdiction in Canada.

Since this entire conversation has been about what's going on in America, it should've been obvious that what I said applies to America, where ICE absolutely does have jurisdiction.  You've been to America multiple times, according to you, and since you cannot seem to distinguish between your personal beliefs about our laws and law enforcement vs real application of law enforcement, I was providing instructions related to how to not get yourself killed while interacting with American law enforcement officers.

If I didn't care about what happens to you, then I wouldn't bother with correcting your media-induced misconceptions about our laws.

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#3153 2026-02-07 20:24:22

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Assaulting a vehicle warrants a police report of vandalism call to 911 not direct untrained actions of a tantrum as if he owned the vehicle.

I am not arguing about whether immigration laws should exist and not just how they’re enforced.

“If you want stability, then the enforcement system must be predictable, trained, and professional — not tactical, inconsistent, or fear‑based.”

Right now, we have a mismatch between:

civil law, tactical training, public environments, inconsistent standards …creates instability.


Immigration agencies were built for: border interdiction, fugitive operations, tactical raids

Not:

public‑facing enforcement, civilian interactions, de‑escalation,  proportionality in mixed crowds

So the mismatch produces exactly what you saw: unnecessary confrontation, poor judgment, avoidable escalation, behavior that looks unprofessional

“These agents are doing a job they were not trained for, and the public is paying the price.”

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#3154 2026-02-07 21:33:25

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SpaceNut,

Assaulting a vehicle warrants a police report of vandalism call to 911 not direct untrained actions of a tantrum as if he owned the vehicle.

Vandalizing a government vehicle was the least of Pretti's criminal behavior.  When Pretti decided to punch ICE agents, that was the moment his behavior went from obnoxious outburst to violent felony against federal law enforcement officers.

I am not arguing about whether immigration laws should exist and not just how they’re enforced.

Minnesota's Democrat leadership was afforded every opportunity to hand over violent illegal alien criminals at their own jails.  They refused to cooperate with federal law enforcement after they were caught stealing federal money, and instead decided to create a bunch of domestic terrorist cells.

Good and Pretti were garden variety leftist whack-a-loons looking for a cause to join, and because Democrats can't resist a good crime spree, Walz and Frey and other far leftist activists in Minnesota's local and state government organized, funded, and encouraged their criminal behavior.

Why did they do that?

They don't think the law applies to them, no different than any other criminal.  They think they're entitled to what better men and women have created through their own hard work.  This belief is nothing new amongst criminals.  It's timeless.

Immigration agencies were built for: border interdiction, fugitive operations, tactical raids

Not:

public‑facing enforcement, civilian interactions, de‑escalation,  proportionality in mixed crowds

All law enforcement agencies are public-facing.

All law enforcement agencies interact with civilians.

All law enforcement agencies have dealt with crowds of rioters.

The military, for the most part, is non-public-facing, and was not designed or intended for law enforcement operations.

So the mismatch produces exactly what you saw: unnecessary confrontation, poor judgment, avoidable escalation, behavior that looks unprofessional

Walz and Frey directed their local and state law enforcement agencies to refuse to cooperate with ICE.  If leftists truly want de-escalation, then they should stop interfering with ICE agents doing their jobs.  I don't think that's what Minnesota's leftists actually want, though, and the proof is found in their behavior and rhetoric.

“These agents are doing a job they were not trained for, and the public is paying the price.”

You really should take that up with Walz and Frey.

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#3155 Yesterday 04:18:28

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I did not see the punch or missed it in the video will look again.

I think the issue of law has a big problem when we have town or city laws, state and even county law, with the over arching Federal Law with policy law (executive orders) blurring or trying to band aid real Federal Law which only congress is to fix.

Laws not aligning or being ignored is a problem at all tiers when they are to protect people without regard.

The Hierarchy of Laws: U.S. Legal Priority
In the United States, the legal structure functions through preemption. When laws at different levels conflict, the higher authority "wins."

  • []Federal Law (The Peak): Under the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution, federal law is the "Supreme Law of the Land."
    []State Law: States have broad powers over anything not specifically assigned to the federal government.

  • Local Law (County/City): These are "creatures of the state" and derive their power from state constitutions or charters.

Who Goes First?
The order of authority is: Federal Constitution > Federal Statute > State Law > Local Ordinance.

Where Executive Orders Fit In
Executive orders (policy law) have the force of law, but they are not "above" statutes.

  1. []Authority: An Executive Order (EO) must be based on the Constitution or a law already passed by Congress.
    []Priority: A federal statute passed by Congress will trump an Executive Order if they conflict.

  2. Scope: A federal EO can preempt state law, but only if the President is acting within their constitutional or congressionally-granted authority.

The "Layers" of Priority:

U.S. Constitution
Federal Statutes (Laws from Congress)
Federal Executive Orders / Agency Regulations
State Constitutions
State Statutes
Local Ordinances (County/City)

Would you like to see an example of how this works in a specific area, such as:

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#3156 Yesterday 11:09:54

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To be clear, there is absolutely no need for ICE to exist. At all. The US needs immigration officers and customs agents at the border, and airports that receive international flights. Canadian airports that have flights depart for the US have a special area for US customs and US immigration. No, the agents in Canadian airports do not have weapons: no guns, no taser, no pepper spray, etc. US customs/immigration area is after Canadian airport security scan, so passengers have already been checked for weapons. If there is an incident, US agents can call Canadian airport police; they would be just down the hall, so could run to the site in seconds.

I lived in the US as an immigrant from Canada. I could not open a bank account in the US without an American Social Security number. Without a bank account, how do I pay utility bills? How do I cash my paycheque? (Yes, that's Canadian spelling. American spelling is paycheck.) Employers must register employees with the IRS, which requires a Social Security number. When you apply for a Social Security card, they check whether you are legally allowed to work in the US. I still have my Social Security card; it has printed on the face "Not valid without INS approval". This means whenever I showed my Social Security card, I also had to show my work visa.

I never did get an American driver's license. Canadian driver's license is accepted in the US. And Canadian license plates, and vehicle insurance. There are some news reports of some state trooper giving a ticket because he thinks a Canadian license plate is not valid. That state trooper was reprimanded, the ticket was challenged and cancelled, and the story made international news. When I worked in the US, if I had stayed for more than a year, I would have had to get an American driver's license, a local state license plate and local vehicle insurance. I don't know the procedure, but to get any of that should require proof that you're legally allowed to work in the US. No driver's license unless you have legal proof that you're in the US legally.

A Mexican driver's license is also valid in the US for up to one year. Same length of time. Peter Zeihan is well known to people of this forum; he reports there are almost no immigrants from Mexico any more. Employment within Mexico has improved so the northern part of Mexico, within a couple hundred miles of the US border, there are better jobs with better pay than anything a migrant worker could get in the US. This has existed since Bill Clinton negotiated NAFTA. Migrant workers come from farther south. Driver's licenses from those countries are not valid in the US.

When I flew from Miami, and bought tickets over the phone, the airline demanded the home address that my credit card is billed to. In Canada it was illegal for an airline to ask that question. But the US airline refused to sell me a ticket unless I answered. When I gave them a Canadian address, they transferred the call to a special "international division". Since then the US has pressured Canada to change its laws to match the US.

So I'm saying the US doesn't need thugs with body armour and guns. To enforce immigration, the US only needs accountants who can review IRS tax records to look for companies that haven't registered all their employees, and check employee records to ensure all employees have a Social Security number, to check all Social Security numbers to ensure they have a valid work visa. It's all accounting, done in an office.

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#3157 Yesterday 11:38:55

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SpaceNut,

Does US law prohibit foreign nationals from entering the US who are already violent convicted felons in their country of origin?

Yes, U.S. immigration law generally prohibits foreign nationals from entering the country if they have been convicted of crimes involving moral turpitude, including violent, serious felonies committed in their country of origin or elsewhere. Such convictions typically render individuals inadmissible under the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA).

Key details regarding this prohibition include:

Aggravated Felonies: Convictions for murder, rape, sexual abuse of a minor, or illicit trafficking in firearms/explosives are permanent bars, making entry or legal status nearly impossible.

Crimes of Moral Turpitude (CIMT): Violent crimes (e.g., manslaughter, kidnapping, robbery) often fall under this category, which triggers inadmissibility.

Drug-Related Offenses: Any foreign conviction for drug trafficking or controlled substances makes a person inadmissible.

Waivers: While some, rarely, may qualify for a 212(h) waiver if the crime was long ago, no waivers are available for severe crimes like murder or torture.

Documentation: Foreign nationals must disclose these convictions during visa applications, and background checks are conducted to identify criminal history.

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#3158 Yesterday 11:57:51

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kbd512 wrote:
RobertDyck wrote:

ICE are not police.

False.  ICE agents are sworn federal law enforcement officers.

I got this from a report by a former ICE officer. They require a judicial warrant signed by a judge, or probable cause. That "probable cause" is restricted to individuals who are in the US illegally. ICE officers do not have authority to arrest just anyone, and do not have authority to arrest US citizens. I think I posted the link to the article, but I found this...

What is ICE and what powers do its agents have to use force?

Its agents can stop, detain and arrest people they suspect of being in the US illegally. However legal permission to enter a home or other private space requires a signed judicial warrant.

Agents can detain US citizens in limited circumstances, such as if a person interferes with an arrest, assaults an officer, or ICE suspect the person of being in the US illegally.

Despite this, according to news organisation ProPublica, there were more than 170 incidents during the first nine months of Trump's presidency in which federal agents held US citizens against their will.

In the case of Renée Good, she was a citizen of the US, born and raised there, and the ICE agents knew it. That meant ICE did not have authority to arrest her. An ice agent tried to open her car door. He did not have a warrant, did not have probable cause that she was in the US illegally, so was not authorized to open her car. She chose to drive away. As her car started to move, another ICE agent stepped in front of her car. She continued to steer her car around him, to leave. You could argue the she needed to clear the area, so that was exactly what she did. I realize Kristi Noem and JD Vance claimed she tried to "run over" the ICE agent. That is a lie, and there is video from many angles to prove that is a lie. The Trump administration even claimed the ICE officer was injured, despite multiple camera angles that clearly show the car did not hit him. This is the age of smartphones, government can't get away with blatantly lying like that.

In the case of Alex Pretti, he was recording with his smartphone. When a woman was pushed to the ground, he tried to help her up. That's all. Ice then pushed him to the ground. Once ICE agent took his weapon. After he was disarmed, he was shot in the back 10 times. Again, ICE does not have authority to arrest a US citizen, they certainly don't have authority to murder anyone. He did not assault anyone.

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#3159 Yesterday 12:06:56

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RobertDyck,

To be clear, there is absolutely no need for ICE to exist. At all.

I'm quite sure every illegal alien criminal would agree with you, but this is why Americans determine what law enforcement agencies we require to enforce our immigration laws, rather than foreign nationals.

Without a bank account, how do I pay utility bills?

You don't need a bank account to pay bills.  There are numerous people living in America who have never had a bank account during their entire adult lives.  The fact that you're unaware of this is how I know that you don't know much about the subject matter.

So I'm saying the US doesn't need thugs with body armour and guns.

We don't need any thugs, which is why ICE is deporting the illegal alien thugs that the Biden administration allowed into America by not enforcing our immigration laws.

It's all accounting, done in an office.

If the banking and accounting world was as neat and simple as you portray it, then most organized crime would be impossible, but this is not how the real world works.

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#3160 Yesterday 12:12:18

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YouTube: Project 2026 Is Here
Project 2025 is has already been half implemented, not in 2026 members of Trump's administration intend to complete the rest.
Long story short: invalidate the Constitution, turn the United States into a dictatorship. The United States is becoming the world's largest banana republic.

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#3161 Yesterday 12:38:52

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RobertDyck,

I got this from a report by a former ICE officer.

I have a former top NASA official who has a report that says the moon is made of cheese.

In the case of Renée Good, she was a citizen of the US, born and raised there, and the ICE agents knew it. That meant ICE did not have authority to arrest her.

ICE agents are sworn federal law enforcement agents.  If you deliberately interfere with their operations, they have the authority to apprehend and arrest you.  You are free to disagree, but I take my legal positions from the US Supreme Court, not Canadian leftists making absurd statements about laws they are clearly ignorant of.

After he was disarmed, he was shot in the back 10 times.

If a criminal has one weapon that you found, they may have other weapons you haven't found.  It's really hard to determine what weapons someone does or doesn't have on their person when they're resisting arrest.

Again, ICE does not have authority to arrest a US citizen, they certainly don't have authority to murder anyone.

The US Supreme Court disagrees with your personal interpretation of who ICE may apprehend and arrest, or any other law enforcement agency for that matter.

I agree that ICE may not murder anyone, but nobody was murdered.  Shooting someone resisting arrest while using a vehicle as a weapon or carrying a weapon is not considered murder, in much the same way that shooting someone who is trying to shoot you is not considered murder, either.

The US Supreme Court has already issued opinions on these matters.  Your personal beliefs about what the law should be or how our laws should be interpreted are not affirmed by case law precedent.

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#3162 Yesterday 12:51:22

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RobertDyck,

The United States is becoming the world's largest banana republic.

We have a lot of Somali illegals to feed these days.  If we don't become the largest banana republic, then they're going to starve.  We do a lot of things to people, but letting them starve to death isn't one of them.  BTW, you forgot the "and rice" part.  We're becoming the largest "banana and rice republic".

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#3163 Yesterday 13:26:46

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Don't for get the Haitians, Guatemalans, ect...anyone that does not speak American and is not white or Caucasian.

We are becoming something that we were not destined to be....

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#3164 Yesterday 14:45:01

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SpaceNut,

What I care about is that the State of Minnesota's Governor, the Minneapolis Mayor, and a lot of Somalis, all took part in a TEN BILLION DOLLAR MEDICAID FRAUD!

Only Democrats actually care about skin color, which is why they talk about it all the time.  Everyone else is waiting for Democrats to course-correct to a set of core governance principles that don't involve blatant criminality.

If every single one of the people we imported from Somali were blonde-haired blue-eyed bikini team models, and they were involved in the same fraud schemes, then I would still want to deport every last one of them.

America is not going to become an "anything-goes" communist dystopia because a minor fraction of the population wants to agitate for it on the basis of irrationality and general ignorance of history.

You know who absolutely does deserve American citizenship?

All those Afghanis who fought for America, and for their own freedom, that President Biden's administration straight-up abandoned to the Taliban, should have been scooped up and spirited away from the hell hole the Taliban created.

How about all the Kurds and Yazidi who fought tooth-and-nail against ISIS?

Surely they are more deserving of the privilege of being an American than the repulsive assortment of rapists and murderers President Biden's administration imported into America.

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#3165 Yesterday 15:09:52

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It looks like it was a scam system that late 2025, federal authorities had charged over 90 individuals, the vast majority of whom are of Somali descent. These cases involve a complex network of nonprofits and businesses that allegedly submitted fake claims, such as billing for services never provided.

So the AI tools of the computer programs got fooled....as it seems that no one investigated the non profits to see if they were legit. It also means that the consumer protection laws did not function as they should have caught it.

I think all states have a bit of fraud going on and its those laws that were create to protect that are failing. Such as in my case...

Fraud against government services is a widespread, multi-state issue in the United States, with the Government Accountability Office (GAO) estimating annual federal losses due to fraud between $233 billion and $521 billion (based on data from 2018-2022). In 2025 alone, False Claims Act (FCA) recoveries—a primary tool for combating this fraud—reached a record-breaking $6.8 billion, with a significant portion of the fraud concentrated in healthcare, particularly Medicare, Medicaid, and pandemic-relief programs.

Here is a breakdown of the current landscape of government fraud across U.S. states.

1. Most Targeted Programs and Services
Criminals frequently target programs with high transaction volumes and, at times, relaxed eligibility requirements, such as those implemented during the pandemic.

Pandemic Unemployment Assistance (PUA): Large-scale fraud rings have used stolen identities to file fraudulent PUA claims in multiple states simultaneously.

Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP): Card skimming is a major issue, where criminals place devices on retailer machines to steal EBT card information.

Medicare/Medicaid Fraud: Fraudulent billing, telemedicine scams, and genetic testing scams are highly prevalent, accounting for over 80% of FCA recoveries in 2025.

Child Care/Family Assistance: Recent investigations have flagged, and briefly frozen, funds for child care and TANF programs in certain states due to suspected widespread misuse.

SBA Disaster and Relief Loans: Ongoing investigations continue to convict individuals using stolen identities to obtain COVID-19 relief funds.

2. High-Risk States and Areas
Fraud is not limited to one region, but certain states have recently seen higher concentrations of reported cases or investigations:
California, New York, Illinois, Minnesota, Colorado: These states were highlighted in 2026 by federal officials for potential "extensive and systematic fraud" in state-administered social services.

Minnesota: Has been identified as a hub for complex fraud rings targeting state, child care, and food programs.

Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Nevada: These states were recently linked in a multi-state conspiracy case regarding stolen identities for SNAP and PUA benefits.

Texas: Reported the highest total losses ($2.1 million) in early 2025 tax-related scams.

Florida, Virginia, South Carolina, District of Columbia: Ranked among the top areas for government benefits fraud and identity theft in 2025.

3. Key Fraud Tactics and Trends
EBT Skimming: In 2025, over 400 illegal skimming devices were removed, preventing roughly $428 million in potential losses, with major operations in states like Alabama and Ohio.

Identity Theft: Criminals use stolen Social Security numbers and personal information to apply for benefits, making it difficult for agencies to identify the real recipient.

Imposter Scams: Scammers spoof official numbers for government agencies (SSA, IRS) to steal personal data, with losses increasing by $171 million from 2023 to 2024.

Cyber-Fraud: False cybersecurity certifications to obtain government contracts resulted in over $52 million in recoveries in 2025.

4. Enforcement and Prevention
The DOJ has increased its focus on False Claims Act (FCA) enforcement, particularly through whistleblower (qui tam) lawsuits, which reached a record high in 2025. Federal agencies are increasingly using data analytics to proactively stop fraudulent payments, halting over $4.2 billion in fraudulent loans as of July 2024.

Tip: Law enforcement agencies, including the FBI and Secret Service, emphasize that legitimate government entities will never call or email to demand immediate payment, threaten arrest, or ask for gift cards/cryptocurrency

I also know of one of my son's having his identity stolen as well that will never correct as the system does not heal or cleanse its files once found.

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#3166 Yesterday 17:54:11

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Officer training and culture should emphasize modern de-escalation tactics. Officers should create time and distance between themselves and a potential threat to allow for assessment and communication. Closing the gap quickly and compressing time increases fear on both sides and reduces options for peaceful resolution. Modern guidance encourages officers to back up and use cover when there is no immediate threat to life. Officers should use clear, calm communication, one instruction at a time, with simple choices rather than overlapping commands.

De-escalation means avoiding actions that manufacture an emergency when none exists. When force becomes necessary, it should be proportional, limited to interrupting an immediate threat, and stopped as soon as that threat ends. In many cases, patience, communication and distance prevent a momentary spike in fear from becoming a fatal bullet.

If we want fewer lives lost, we must stop treating each shooting as an isolated tragedy. The problem is not simply individual misconduct. Officers are not malicious. It is a system that rewards escalation, and normalizes confrontation. Until we change how officers assess risk, and interact with civilians, we will continue to call these deaths unavoidable.

Now onto the history: such the 1892 and 1954, 12 million people passed through the gates of Ellis Island in New York. These people were seeking freedom, a better and more prosperous life for themselves and for their children—and they wanted to be Americans.

No, they did not just want the title of being an American citizen; they wanted to truly adopt their new country; they wanted to know its history, customs, mores, and status in the world. Many, or most, were working-class people with very little material possessions.

Parrt of the desire to be American is not there for many that are here now and you can here it in there words as they speak.

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#3167 Today 12:39:26

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SpaceNut,

If leftists want our Police to treat them more humanely, then they should stop chasing them around, throwing things at them, spitting on them, vandalizing their vehicles, threatening to murder them in their sleep, and threatening to murder their families.  Those are not the behaviors of someone who wants "de-escalate" anything.

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#3168 Today 21:27:02

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YouTube: Legal Eagle: ICE Lawyer Meltdown
Lawyer finds ICE fails to comply with court orders. When judge grills lawyer, she is forced to inform the court that senior ICE management does not respect federal court.

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