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SpaceX Will Launch the First of Its Global Internet Satellites
https://www.wired.com/story/watch-space … atellites/
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Falcon Heavy may be the most powerful launch vehicle in the world, but its size and capability translate to a meager share of profits SpaceX envisions for Starlink, its space-based internet venture. The company hopes the first two tester satellites, Microsat-2a and Microsat-2b, will be the predecessors to a fleet of thousands of broadband satellites that SpaceX will launch over the next decade.
So, moving from Falcon9 and Falcon Heavy, to BFR, they might have several income streams.
I wonder if Starlink would also be useful for doing a Telepresence on the Moon, as when it is finished there should always be parts of it which might be able to communicate with the near side Moon.
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Is it possible that the root of political science claims is to produce white collar jobs for people who paid for an education and do not want a real job?
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I wonder if the BFR upper stage could be fitted out to capture and return, or to refuel satellites.
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Yes, indeed, Musk's multiple income stream approach potentially makes the cost of a Mars Mission (perhaps $2 billion per annum over ten years) look very doable.
Here's everything I am aware of him being involved in:
Tesla Electric cars
Solar power installations (industrial scale and home)
Home battery installations
Cheap industrial scale battery storage
Hyperloop
Tunnel boring (which will work synergetically with hyperloop, electric cars and Mars).
ISS supply
Satellite launches
Orbital satellite internet network
BFR E2E (Earth to Earth) - potentially stealing a huge slice of high end business air travel
Falcon Heavy/BFR lunaror Earth orbital tourism
Surface lunar tourism?
Mars settlement
Potentially you are looking at revenue in the tens of billions, maybe hundreds of billions of dollars per annum.
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/22128 … -space.htm
SpaceX Will Launch the First of Its Global Internet Satellites
https://www.wired.com/story/watch-space … atellites/Quote:
Falcon Heavy may be the most powerful launch vehicle in the world, but its size and capability translate to a meager share of profits SpaceX envisions for Starlink, its space-based internet venture. The company hopes the first two tester satellites, Microsat-2a and Microsat-2b, will be the predecessors to a fleet of thousands of broadband satellites that SpaceX will launch over the next decade.
So, moving from Falcon9 and Falcon Heavy, to BFR, they might have several income streams.
I wonder if Starlink would also be useful for doing a Telepresence on the Moon, as when it is finished there should always be parts of it which might be able to communicate with the near side Moon.
Let's Go to Mars...Google on: Fast Track to Mars blogspot.com
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Income stream is from earth and space activity which can make the one that is not as great as the other a subsidy for the one lacking to be able to sustain the forward growth of both.
The starlink for internet, cellphone plus more can be both good and bad to an industry which has its costs being spread to rich and poor. It does speed up daily communications and access to information for good or bad uses.
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In terms of the Mars Mission Part of the income is going through Musk's personal bank accounts and part is coming directly to Space X as a company. I think once you factor in the potential for the Mars Mission developing revenue streams from commercial sponsorship, science experiments, Space Agency co-operation and other activities it is readily apparent that money is not the issue: the technical challenge is.
Income stream is from earth and space activity which can make the one that is not as great as the other a subsidy for the one lacking to be able to sustain the forward growth of both.
The starlink for internet, cellphone plus more can be both good and bad to an industry which has its costs being spread to rich and poor. It does speed up daily communications and access to information for good or bad uses.
Let's Go to Mars...Google on: Fast Track to Mars blogspot.com
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/spacex-betti … 27628.html
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SpaceX is betting big on its UK Starlink rollout, and is in talks to become part of the government's $6.9 billion 'Project Gigabit' plan for rural internet
Kate Duffy
Tue, March 23, 2021, 7:48 AM
** Now ** we're talking!
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musks-s … 38857.html
More on UK rollout ...
A source in the satellite industry who spoke to CNBC said that BlueWave's satellite base has up to eight radomes - big, bubble-like domes which cover a radar antenna to protect it from the weather.
The ground station has "an excellent horizon scan because being surrounded by sea, it means there is nothing in the way," the second source told CNBC.
The communications regulator for the Isle of Man confirmed to CNBC on Thursday that Starlink and Bluewave received a license for the "provision of services and location of associated equipment on the island."
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Not sure of the concern for a monopoly but Amazon has filed an FCC protest against SpaceX's plans for more Starlink internet satellites
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It can become a political freedom of speech issue in times of war?
SpaceX Starlink Internet Now Live in Ukraine, Says Elon Musk
https://teslanorth.com/2022/02/26/space … elon-musk/
Need a dish about 1/3 of a meter in diameter, and an electric power of about 75-100 watts?
Another interesting debate here
http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=9678
'Teleoperation'
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For Mars_B4_Moon ... this is a follow up to your post #9
You might have some luck if you look for signs Elon Musk might be sending terminal packages to Ukraine.
He can't help much with the 75-100 watts, but on the ** other ** hand, the Ukrainians are proving surprisingly resilient.
This is just a guess on my part, but I'd imagine Elon's tech support folks can block Russian Internet traffic.
The Chinese and other governments have shown the way.
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You can get a good panel that will provide that energy amount for when the suns out and store what you do not use in a battery pack that can be carried like a suit case with the panels in then to protect them once in transport move mode.
Sounds like a quick and dirty setup to get around the communications issues caused by the invasion.
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Ukraine asks Musk for Starlink terminals as Russian invasion disrupts broadband
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This topic by Void seems to be a good place to put a report on how to obtain Starlink access...
Members of NewMars live in the US, Europe, and Australia, as well as South America and Canada to the South and North of the US.
Here is a transcript of a conversation with Google's Gemini about Starlink service availability.
How to Sign up for Starlink Internet - Hi Again ... this request might be interesting for you, if it hasn't come up so many times it's boring... A friend has unreliable Internet service in a rural part of the United States, and I'm recommending the Starlink service. We looked at Google offerings last week, and didn't see anything that looks like a web site where you apply for an account, such as the ones that exist for Spectrum Cable services. Can you direct us to such a web site?
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That's an excellent recommendation for your friend! Starlink is often a great solution for reliable high-speed internet in rural areas, like parts of the United States, where traditional service is unreliable or unavailable.
Unlike a cable company with a simple service sign-up page, Starlink's process is integrated with a check for service availability at a specific physical address.
Here is the official Starlink website where you can begin the sign-up process:
[https://www.starlink.com/](https://www.starlink.com/)How to Sign Up:
Check Availability: Go to the website and look for a field labeled "Service Address" or something similar. Your friend needs to enter the exact service address in rural US where they want the internet installed.
View Plans and Order:
The website will then tell you if service is Available immediately, or if the area is at Capacity (and may offer a Roam plan as an alternative, or simply offer to place an order to hold a spot).
If available, it will let you choose a service plan (like Residential) and proceed to order the Starlink kit (dish, router, etc.). There is a one-time upfront cost for the equipment, plus the monthly service fee.
Activation: Once the equipment kit is received, the service is typically activated through the Starlink App (available for iOS and Android), which helps with setup and finding the best location for the dish to have an unobstructed view of the sky.
This process is usually the most direct way to get set up with Starlink. Good luck to your friend!
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Thank you for the suggestion ... for some reason we did not find that site last week, or perhaps we found it but mixed with so many other offers we couldn't see it amidst the noise. Your observation about availability is interesting, because my understanding is that Starlink service is supposed to be global. On the other hand, my understanding is that full coverage depends upon the number of satellites that pass over a specific location. On the other hand, the United States is a major market, so I would expect full coverage. Perhaps the issue is how many subscribers are consuming the available bandwidth?
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Query successfulThat's a very insightful question, and your instincts about network capacity are exactly right—it is the primary factor limiting the availability of the Residential service in specific areas, even within a major market like the US.
Here is a breakdown of why Starlink can be "global" but still "at capacity" in some spots:
1. The "Cell" Capacity Limit (The Real Bottleneck)
Fixed Service Address: The standard Residential Starlink service is tied to a small geographic area called a "cell" (similar to a cell phone tower's coverage area, but larger and defined on the ground).
Limited Bandwidth Per Cell: Each cell can only handle a finite amount of total internet traffic (bandwidth) from the satellites passing overhead. To maintain the promised high-speed service for all customers in that area, Starlink strictly limits the number of residential subscribers allowed in each cell.
Congestion: If the number of people who want Starlink in a particular rural Texas cell exceeds that limit, Starlink marks that cell as "Waitlisted" or "Sold Out." This is especially common in areas where terrestrial broadband is poor, leading to high demand.
2. The Role of Satellites and Ground Stations
While satellite coverage is nearly global, two other factors create bottlenecks for the Residential service:
Ground Stations: Every Starlink satellite must relay its data down to a nearby Ground Station (or Gateway) on Earth to connect to the global fiber-optic internet backbone. If a cell is too far from a ground station, or if that station is already overwhelmed by all the traffic it's handling, Starlink might not activate more new users in the nearby cells.
Demand Surcharges (New Strategy): In some high-demand areas, Starlink has been known to replace the waitlist with a one-time "Demand Surcharge" on the equipment cost. This is another way to manage the number of new customers and is a clear indicator that the cell is close to its capacity limit.
Starlink Roam as a Workaround
You may notice that Starlink almost always offers the Roam (Mobile) plan, even in a "Sold Out" area. This is because Roam service is a lower-priority service.
Roam/Mobile Service: This plan is designed to be portable and is not tied to one address. It will work in the congested cell, but the data is deprioritized behind all Residential users.
Trade-off: Your friend could potentially get a Roam plan immediately to get internet right away, but they may experience slower speeds during peak usage hours (like evenings) compared to someone on a Residential plan in an uncongested cell.
In short, Starlink has the satellites to physically cover almost all of the United States, but it does not yet have the total network capacity (satellites, ground stations, and bandwidth) to offer uncongested, high-priority Residential service to every single person who wants it in high-demand "pockets."
Thank you for this additional insight into how Starlink service is managed. I'll share it with a larger audience, because there are others who might be interested.
That's wonderful! I'm glad this information on Starlink's capacity management and the difference between its global coverage and local cell availability was helpful. It is a common point of confusion, especially for those looking to improve their rural internet service.
If you or your friends have any other questions about the process, like the equipment setup or comparing Starlink to other options, feel free to ask!
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