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#1 2025-09-17 10:43:46
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New Food Sources. Precision Fermentation, Cellular, Synthetic
This one has to be big for Mars and for space in general:
https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/bu … -illinois/
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Butter made from carbon tastes like the real thing, gets backing from Bill Gates
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By Tara Molina
Updated on: August 6, 2025 / 10:42 PM CDT / CBS Chicago
OK, they do have some additives:
"It's really just our fat, some water, a little bit of lecithin as an emulsifier, and some natural flavor and color," Beiden-Charles said.
OK, Lecithin, may come from animal or plant products: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lecithin
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Lecithin (/ˈlɛsɪθɪn/ LESS-ith-in; from the Ancient Greek λέκιθος lékithos "yolk") is a generic term to designate any group of yellow-brownish fatty substances occurring in animal and plant tissues which are amphiphilic – they attract both water and fatty substances (and so are both hydrophilic and lipophilic), and are used for smoothing food textures, emulsifying, homogenizing liquid mixtures, and repelling sticking materials.[1][2]
I am going to speculate that you could grow mushrooms on the Fatty substances they create.
So, for Mars if you make and froze a bunch of that, you would have calories and could grow mushrooms, which along with other frozen foods would get you by in an emergency.
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#2 2025-09-17 12:39:11
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#3 2025-09-18 09:49:25
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I thought I might add this: https://undecidedmf.com/why-mushrooms-a … verything/
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Why Mushrooms are Starting to Replace Everything
Matt FerrellBy Matt Ferrell June 24, 2025
Mycelium seems to be able to digest any solid or even liquid hydrocarbon, and post #1 suggests the creation of a butter like hydrocarbon. But of course, flavor is not required. I did mention Mushrooms in post #1 after all.
One thing I have in mind for Mars, is that if you cut sandstone blocks to create an underground vault, you might make arches on the surface of the sandstone blocks, and you might seal the chinks between the stones using mycelium, if you fed the mycelium.
You would probably make the stone structure with the food in the chinks, and then pile regolith on top and then pressurize and heat the insides and add humidity.
I am planning to suggest how to make heat exchangers/storage by a similar process and plastics on the Moon.
Anyway, it seems that we will want to have the fungus among us when we go into space.
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#4 2025-09-19 06:17:08
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Void, that is an excellent find. On Mars, we won't be able to afford thousands of acres of pasture land for cattle. An energy efficient process for manufacturing fats in a compact facility will be essential for survival on Mars.
"Plan and prepare for every possibility, and you will never act. It is nobler to have courage as we stumble into half the things we fear than to analyse every possible obstacle and begin nothing. Great things are achieved by embracing great dangers."
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#5 2025-09-19 08:13:16
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Calliban, Agreed! And Tony Seba and RethinkX indicate that much of our farmland on Earth will go back to wild or feral or (I say, managed feral).
Precision Fermentation, Cellular, Synthetic, will be vastly more efficient it seems.
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#6 2025-12-03 09:22:21
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Robots that can pick fruit cause me to wonder about apple orchard/grasslands for land that goes feral.
A sort of savannah: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspen_parkland
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Managed for fruit trees and perhaps something like tall grass prairie.
So, this would be no till, and robots would keep it from becoming overrun with brush. So they could do weeding. Fruits from trees could be harvested by robots in bucket lifts or the equivalent.
The "Grass" could be harvested as well. Possibly some of it subjected to pyrolysis to produce hydrocarbons.
Berry Pickers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygazi3wzCnc
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Berry Picking Robots: Wish Farms is going all in on AI and automation
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They said that 1 robot could do the work of 25 human workers.
A upper body of a humanoid robot on a hydraulic lift might do the fruit picking and the pruning. It could probably work all day and night as it would likely have infrared/low light vision.
While Apples might be a good start, other food bearing trees might be wanted.
A groomed savannah might be a better place to raise children than an inner city.
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#7 2025-12-03 11:45:53
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In relation to the previous post: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WeNfzqz24U
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Farmers Couldn't Believe This Farm Robot Until They Saw How It Worked - This Is Farming in 2025
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It would be good if we could grow vegetable substitutes on Trees as wall: https://farmfoodfamily.com/vegetables-t … -on-trees/
So, rather than plowing land, perhaps some of these would be substitutes, if you have robots that can reach high into trees and pick the "Vegetables".
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#8 2026-05-29 21:29:01
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We have a number of topics that contain the word "food". I selected this one by Void in hopes it might blend into the flow.
I am looking for ingredients to add to recipes to increase fiber content, and asked Google Search for ideas. Google Search seems to have been enhanced a bit, so the conversation quoted below reminds me of Gemini, but I understand they are not the same thing.
You said: find plant pith as food ingredientPlant pith is utilized globally as a versatile food ingredient, functioning primarily as a starchy staple, a fibrous vegetable, or a functional food additive. While often discarded in modern Western kitchens, the spongy central tissue of specific plant stems and fruit linings is highly prized in various culinary traditions for its unique texture and nutritional benefits.Here are the most common plants where pith is harvested and used as a food ingredient:? Stem and Stalk PithsBanana Pith (Vazhaithandu): The inner core of the banana pseudo-stem is a popular ingredient in South Indian cuisine. It is finely chopped, soaked in buttermilk to prevent oxidation, and cooked into stews, stir-fries, or blended into healthy smoothies.Sago Palm Pith: The spongy center of the sago palm stem is a major carbohydrate staple in Melanesia and Micronesia. The raw pith is highly toxic and must undergo an intensive crushing and washing process to extract pure, edible starch, which is then used similarly to tapioca.Sugarcane Pith: The inner fibrous pith can be processed into a novel sugarcane powder. It is used as a sustainable, high-fiber food formulation ingredient to partially replace sugar while maintaining product texture.Sunflower Stalk Pith: While not typically cooked directly at home, industrial food science utilizes sunflower stalk pith due to its exceptionally high pectin content. It serves as a natural thickener and moisture-binding agent in commercial food manufacturing.? Fruit Linings (Albedo/Pith)Citrus Pith: The bitter, white spongy layer (technically the albedo) between the zest and the fruit flesh is packed with vitamin C, dietary fiber, and immune-boosting flavonoids like hesperidin. It can be scraped, dehydrated, and ground into powders for smoothies, or left intact when making candied citrus peels and marmalades.If you would like to source or cook with plant pith, let me know:Which specific plant pith are you trying to track down?Are you looking for step-by-step cooking recipes or industrial food-additive data?Do you prefer fresh, powdered, or dehydrated ingredients?15 sitesPolysaccharides from sunflower stalk pith: Chemical, structural and ...Overall characterization of the sunflower by-products has been conducted by Marechal and Rigal (1999) who found that stalk pith ha...ScienceDirect.comPith - WikipediaThe pith of the sago palm, although highly toxic to animals in its raw form, is an important human food source in Melanesia and Mi...WikipediaStudy on the production of powdered sugarcane pith as a novel ...Highlights * Sugarcane pith powder is a nutritious and safe ingredient with potential applications in food production. * Partial r...ScienceDirect.comShow allYou said: Are there commercial suppliers for products such as citrus fruit pith? The high fiber content is the most important feature, since other food ingredients provide vitamins and minerals, protein and starch.Yes, there are major commercial suppliers for citrus fruit pith, though in the commercial food industry, this ingredient is officially manufactured and sold under the name "Citrus Fiber" or "Citrus Flour".Because you are prioritizing high fiber content over vitamins and starches, commercial citrus fiber is ideal. It is made by upcycling the washed, dried, and mechanically ground albedo (pith) and peel leftovers from the citrus juicing industry. This creates a clean-label, white-to-cream powder that consists of an optimal mix of soluble fiber (like pectin) and insoluble fiber (cellulose and hemicellulose).? Major Commercial and Wholesale SuppliersIf you are sourcing this ingredient for food formulation, product development, or bulk production, you can acquire it through these primary industrial ingredient suppliers:Fiberstar, Inc. (Product: Citri-Fi®): This is the industry gold standard for upcycled citrus fiber. Fiberstar uses a patented physical process (no chemicals) to open up the fiber cells, giving it an incredibly high surface area. It is available in bulk and even offers Fiberstar USDA Certified Organic Citrus Fiber options.Ingredion (Product: FIBERTEX® CF): A massive global ingredient distributor that supplies Ingredion FIBERTEX® Citrus Fibers. Their product is heavily utilized in commercial baking, meat alternatives, and sauces to improve texture and shelf-life while boosting fiber.Gillco Ingredients: A premier distributor that partners with top manufacturers to supply clean-label Gillco Ingredients Citrus Fiber in bulk quantities to food processors.Silvateam: An international business that manufactures clean-label Silvateam Citrus Fiber optimized for water-binding and gelling capabilities in food formulations.Rainforest Supply: If you need wholesale quantities but aren't ready for massive industrial truckloads, you can purchase bulk Rainforest Supply Citrus Fiber Powder, which they specifically market as a neutral filler for its high fiber density.? Functional Benefits of Citrus Pith FiberWhen formulating with commercial citrus fiber, it behaves differently than standard starches or proteins:Extreme Water-Holding Capacity: Because the native pectin structure is kept intact, it can hold up to 10–12 times its weight in water, which prevents food from drying out.Natural Emulsification: It binds water and oil together smoothly, allowing you to replace synthetic chemical stabilizers or E-number emulsifiers on your ingredient label.Neutral Flavor and Color: Unlike whole orange peel powder (which is yellow, strong, and bitter), commercial citrus fiber is heavily washed to remove volatile oils, leaving a neutral filler that won't compromise your food’s flavor profile.Are you looking to purchase a small amount for R&D / prototyping, or do you need pallet-level commercial volumes? I can help you find specific distributor contact channels based on your production scale.12 sites Clean label citrus fiber producer | Food ingredients - SilvateamWhat it is made of. Citrus fiber is a dietary fiber derived from the indigestible part of citrus fruit which mostly passes through...www.silvateam.comCitrus Fiber | Gillco IngredientsCitrus fiber provides multiple functionalities that can improve product texture, nutrition, costs, and labeling. This fiber is cre...Gillco IngredientsCitrus Fiber Powder - Rainforest SupplyExplorer's Recommendation. Citrus fiber powder is derived from the pith of citrus fruits such as oranges, lemons, and grapefruit. ...Rainforest SupplyShow allYou said: Thank you for your assistance with this inquiry. I appreciate your focus on the fiber value while showing additional values for a variety of products, and for listing suppliers. I'll save your report for study. No further suggestions are needed at this time.You are very welcome! I am glad the breakdown of citrus fiber and the supplier list will be useful for your study. It sounds like you have a solid foundation for your research.Whenever you are ready to take the next steps with your formulation or sourcing, feel free to reach back out. Good luck with your project!
The nice formatting I am used to when working with Gemini was NOT provided by this entity.
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