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#51 2025-08-05 11:38:15

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Re: Utilizing Superpower (Per Rethink X, Tony Seba)

I am interested in the Hydrocarbon industry, if we do go deeply solar, wind, and batteries.

It seems to me that a market for Natural Gas would still exist in precision fermentation.  Using Natural Gas as the food for Precision Fermentation and Oxygen from the Atmosphere will yield products and CO2.  But some of the Carbon will end up at least temporarily in the organic produced products in many cases.  But if electrolysis were performed on Methane you might extract Hydrogen and Carbon.  The Hydrogen could drive the precision fermentation in part and a small amount of Natural Gas could provide the Carbon needed for it.  Carbon  created from Carbon extracted from Natural Gas could have value.

So, in that case our Natural Gas will not end up stranded.

Heavy Oil, perhaps from Alberta being heavier in Carbon would give less Hydrogen, but more Carbon.  But the Bitumen is valuable for many non-burning processes.

So, these two fluids may have some considerable value in the future without burning them.

And light oil might be somewhere between them as for amount of Hydrogen and Carbon.

If building with Carbon becomes less and less expensive, the market for Carbon could expand in the future.

I see that perhaps Carbon might be possible to make underwater enclosures from.

Unless organisms will consume it.  But in that case burial under ocean sediments or encasing the tanks in something else would remove most of the Oxygen from contact with the Carbon object, making it less possible for microbes to eat it.

Pipelines, heat exchangers, hot or cold-water tanks, and so on are early notions in my mind.

So, I think maybe we should want to work with the Petrochemical Industries to create such a situation.

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#52 2025-08-05 14:46:16

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Here is again another video in this line of thinking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULFC-tD … ithHerbert  Quote:

EXCLUSIVE: Tony Seba's RethinkX Says Tesla Bot is the SECRET to America's Future Success | Adam Dorr
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It is 10 or 11 months old but still interesting.

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#53 2025-08-07 07:06:52

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Unfinished business, I think:

I found this last night, accidentally.  I don't know how to validate it so I won't.  But I feel it is "Unfinished Business" for me so I will put it here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uawATQk … ModoEnergy
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Pumped Thermal Energy: the Overlooked Storage Solution with Alexis Dole (SynchroStor)

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I am worried about perpetual machine issues.  I don't think that is the case here, but it does seem to be too good to be true.

Here is a blurb from "AI Overview" on my phone: Quote

SynchroStor is developing a novel, high-temperature heat pump designed  for industrial applications.   This heat pump is capable of operating across a wide temperature range, from -100 C to +400 C.Making it suitable for diverse heating and cooking needs in various industries.  The technology is particularly notable for its potential to decarbonize industrial process by eliminating CO2 emissions from applications like industrial drying.

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Wide temperature range Unlike many commercial heat pumps, SynchroStor's technology can operate at both very high and very low temperatures.  This makes it adaptable to a broader spectrum of industrial processes, including those requiring high temperature heat.

Here is another article: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/very-hig … from-wswue  Quote:

Very high temperature heat pumps eliminate CO₂ emissions from industrial dryers

SynchroStorSynchroStor
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Decarbonising heat and energy storage
Published Nov 27, 2024
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I had previously seen articles about a Norwegian heat pump that can reach 180 degrees C.  This seems to be it: https://www.pv-magazine.com/2021/08/19/ … heat-pump/  Quote:

The world’s hottest heat pump
A Norwegian consortium has built an industrial heat pump that can reach a temperature of up to 180 degrees Celsius. The machine can be used with different industrial processes that rely on steam as an energy carrier and can reduce a facility’s energy consumption by between 40% and 70%, as it enables the recovery of low-temperature waste heat.

August 19, 2021 Emiliano Bellini

But the previous system claims to go to -100 to +400 degrees C.

I am wondering if a heat pump could cool a data center and produce high grade industrial heat and low grade industrial heat.  But it may also have potential to store cold and heat.

Looks very interesting.

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#54 2025-08-07 09:09:32

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Re: Utilizing Superpower (Per Rethink X, Tony Seba)

A bit more unfinished business:

If the heat pump can create 400 degrees C and pump it to radiators in space, then this could be a way that heat is rejected in space. 

Presuming solar power in orbit, this might be a good way to make radiators work better in a vacuum, by radiating excess heat out of a habitat or other platform.

On a world like Mars or Titan, very hot steam might be expelled by evaporative cooling.

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#55 2025-08-09 03:46:10

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I might put this into the topic about Natural Hydrogen.

However, I am very interested in how this might modify the thinking of RethinkX.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feSNGsh … el=EyeTech
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Scientists Just Discovered a Massive Hydrogen Reservoir Jackpot

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Apparently their are early hints of it for Kansas, Nebraska, and Appalachia.  And Shield Rock has been mentioned for Iron content in rock.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Shield
Maybe this is what is talked about: Image Quote: 500px-Canada_geological_map.JPG

I have often lived on the Shield, the south part of it.
Being often cold these regions could really use a gift like Natural Hydrogen.

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#56 2025-08-09 20:29:59

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Here is another thermal storage device which might be suitable to work in an electrical system with "Superpower".

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … &FORM=VIRE 

MGA Thermal: The Battery That Doesn’t Use Electricity
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Graphite would be another use of Carbon which could come from an industrial source, holds pockets of melted metals.

The graphite is kept away from Oxygen by using Nitrogen to extract the heat.  The heat is put into the storage device by electricity.

Not perfect, but likely to have a place as an energy storage device.

It occurs to me that you could also heat Nitrogen in order to put heat into the device.  Heated with optical devices perhaps.

They indicate in the video up to 48-hours of storage.

But a demonstration that the energy industry is adapting over time, pretty much in a positive direction.

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Another similar video, claims that the thermal storage is better per volume by 3 times over many other thermal storage methods: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … ajaxhist=0

I would make note that Carbon is rather easy to get on Mars, and the Metalysis perhaps can create useful "Alloys" while extracting Oxygen from regolith.

https://metalysis.com/

Heat on Mars may have a much greater value than on Earth.

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#57 2025-08-11 19:11:39

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This is an interesting video about claims about the Aluminum Ion Battery.  The robot garbles a lot of the numbers but it is an interesting video: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … &FORM=VIRE
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NEW TESLA BATTERY Aluminum-Ion - 831 Miles & 12-MINUTE, 85 TWh/yr, 50-year life! Elon Musk shocks!
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#58 2025-08-11 21:12:37

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This is a good one, would it be useful on the Moon.  Some of our Members might like this.  Possibly kdb512 and Calliban will.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQCDXK_ … BitdaVinci
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The Shipping Container That Might Replace Solar Farms

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It is said to use less land than PV.  But PV can be useful for farms, per shading some crops or animals.

The materials are rather basic it seems.  For the Moon I am going to entertain CO2 as the working fluid.  I hope that would work.  Carbon may not be that hard to import and is a byproduct of humans anyway.

This technology is comparable more or less to PV for price or better.

But the Moon needs some serious thermal storage, and at its nights has deep cold which this system may be able to utilize.  This system is made of basic materials mostly, and so may not be as tricky as PV on the Moon.

But replacing lenses damaged from impactors may be an issue, and also dust, could be an issue but so also for PV.

Anyway, for Earth this tech sounds like it is fussy about where it might work well.  Perhaps needs the South West of North America, I guess.  Not totally sure.

But this proves that when we say solar it is not only PV.

Back to the Moon, I think it could be true that the lesser amount of axial tilt may be favorable to the lenses this system uses and the tracking methods.

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More news for Exowatt: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/exowatt- … ccounter=1

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#59 2025-08-12 09:45:43

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I think I see a possible convergence of useful factors, in the future of the Midwest:
1)  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_hydrogen
Image Quote: 1024px-Mid-continental_Rift_System.webp.png

2) Wind: https://www.energy.gov/eere/wind/wind-r … terization
Image Quote: U.S._Wind_Power_Resource_at_100-meter_Hub_Height%20%281%29.png?itok=v7jYsx_Q

3) Solar: (Is interesting but not exceptional): https://www.nrel.gov/docs/libraries/gis … 855ad6e1_1  Image Quote: nsrdb-v3-ghi-2018-01.jpg?sfvrsn=855ad6e1_1
*But it can be argued that solar for heat could be very valuable in the wintertime.

4) High Quality Farmland: https://www.americafem.com/2019/05/08/u … mland-map/
Image Quote: US-high-quality-farmland-map1.jpg

A: If #1 large amounts of Natural Hydrogen are found;
B: It could be reacted with CO2 from the atmosphere in Precision Agriculture and Cellular Agriculture;
C: Producing a biomass byproduct;
D: A biochar process could produce Hydrocarbons and Biochar;
E: The Hydrocarbons could be used in various processes;
F: The biochar could be used to improve farm land and also sequester Carbon.

* The wind power could be backed up with battery systems but also solar power and also combustion of Hydrocarbons.
* If you were sequestering Carbon into improved soils as Biochar, then you could burn fossil Hydrocarbons or created Hydrocarbons without concern.

* Biochar: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … &FORM=VIRE

* I also suggest that underbrush overgrowth in forests should be subjected to pyrolysis to yield Hydrocarbons and Biochar.  This would keep the northern woods from burning down all the time.  Perhaps it will be practical to do so when robot labor is more established for that purpose.

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You might say "Well if Precision Fermentation and Cellular Agriculture are going to replace much of the farmland, why do this effort?".  Well, if you let the farmland go back to woods, then you can have your robots harvest the underbrush and do pyrolysis on it, to create Hydrocarbons and to create Biochar to add to the woodlands.

It is also perhaps true that some marginal land suitable for some special agriculture might be upgraded with biochar.

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So, I think biochar farming will make a lot of sense for abandoned traditional farmland, and in that case you might as well create Suburban and Rural areas where the environment is maximized for healthy upbringing of human children.

Urban Areas suck for children, and especially for their parents.

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#60 2025-08-13 08:56:03

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Re: Utilizing Superpower (Per Rethink X, Tony Seba)

So, if Tony Seba and RethinkX are correct, then considerable amounts of farmland may go feral.

But instead of abandoning, it I suggest farming a groomed forest, one that is kept as parkland for citizens to enjoy.

And this may allow sequestering Carbon as the greens hope cannot actually be done, without impoverishing the common people.

So, the grooming would be the removal of underbrush and overgrowth, and various excess organic materials, and doing a pyrolysis on it to produce Hydrocarbon fluids and Biochar.  For places with proper soil the Biochar might be embedded into the soil.  If the mixture is proper and generally is moist, it will not support something like a peat fire.  But if necessary Biochar could be disposed of in lakes and seas, and indeed perhaps in peat bogs.

So, we may have a wealth generative way to sequester Carbon out of the atmosphere, where the wealth is the groomed land and the Hydrocarbons produced, and also presumably the correcting of the climate.  I am not a total believer that CO2 is a poison in our world at this time, but now we have a tool to deal with it as if it is.

We can make the greens eat the hair shirts they wanted to force use to wear.  Instead we can have good lives.

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#61 2025-08-15 10:18:51

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This video is a bit tedious but has lots of valuable information: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … &FORM=VIRE
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248: Big Perovskite Solar Panel Advances - Dr. Chris Case Interview
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I have doubts about climate change increasing hail damage.  I expect that having more PV produces more hail damage.

They are offering solar panels that are 24.5% efficient, but say that by 2030, they expect to be at 30% efficiency.

These are "Tandem" solar panels. 

https://scitechdaily.com/pushing-past-l … fficiency/
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Around 34.6%
The maximum efficiency that tandem solar cells could achieve is currently around 34.6%, achieved by the LONGi team with their silicon-perovskite tandem solar cell. This efficiency surpasses the Shockley-Queisser limit of single-junction solar cells, which is approximately 33%. Tandem solar cells can theoretically reach efficiencies up to 43% by utilizing multiple materials with different bandgaps to capture a broader spectrum of sunlight.
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He thinks that silicon only solar panels will never do better than 27% where the theory suggests 29% is possible.

The theoretical maximum for tandem is said to be 43%.

So, maybe they can get to 37% being optimistic.

I am imagining that the average installed solar panel gets less than 20%, but new ones if they could do 37%, that would be impressive.

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