Utilizing Superpower (Per Rethink X, Tony Seba)

Void · 2025-04-18 12:12:18

I think that this might involve solar panels being more of a structural material themselves.

There is no telling how much natural light is needed to signal plants to grow appropriately.

I am hoping for something like 5% maybe. So, although the dome or continuing archway, might be a little bit like a greenhouse, it would be more of a solar power collector.

We can hope that plants will be bioengineered, to work more with Acetate as their energy source.

Of course, if desired, some artificial lighting could also be included instead of windows, so that the plants can be convinced that the season is different than what it is. Again, you might hope that this would be a tiny minority of the energy needed by the plants.

And then this may lead to a question of if it is good to have classical greenhouses on Mars, or to do some alternative such as suggested in this post.

Acetate is supposed to be more efficient than photosynthesis. But plants are not yet adapted as well as needed to use Acetate.

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Void · 2025-04-18 17:21:41

I will work on this later. Thanks British! https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topst … r-AA1DaZo3 Quote:

4 billion tons yearly: UK starts sucking carbon from sea with floating solar power
Story by Prabhat Ranjan Mishra • 9h •
2 min read

Obviously this is going to be useful in the canals that I have suggested.

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Void · 2025-04-18 20:46:43

Referring to the previous post, not a bad plan, but I think that covered canals such as have been mentioned where Hydrogen would be injected to dissolve in the water, would also absorb CO2 and O2 and N2, from the atmosphere, and along with other nutrients should allow the production of large amounts of biomass.

In some cases, perhaps food from air and energy.

And some setups may be able to extract water from the air at the same time.

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Void · 2025-05-04 09:22:16

This is of some interest to me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHdUMDV … ithHerbert
Quote:

EXCLUSIVE: Tony Seba Predicts AI + Robots Will Change EVERYTHING!
Brighter with Herbert

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Void · 2025-05-04 17:18:52

(th) requested that I attempt a summary of the previous posts video. Here is his request: https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.ph … 41#p231441

I have only watched it once and did not pick up everything. I will watch it again and see if I can get more details.

However, I can render a preliminary summary. Advancements in technology may allow manipulation of materials in time to create crafted hardware at reduced prices to harvest energy at a lowered cost.

This will involve:
1) Generalized Labor from Humanoid and other robots.
2) Lowered cost of labor will allow for lower cost hardware.
3) Lowered cost hardware may make the concept of "Superpower" justified.
4) Improved AI will make #1 in this list more useful as to have an actual brain.

In the case of solar energy, "Superpower" would be because the cost of hardware will be so low that it will be justified to have so much in the way of solar panel quantity that on the worst day of the year, you would still have enough energy. The "Superpower" then is exhibited the most strongly on your best day of the year.

The utility of "Superpower" is desired, so that there needs to be discovered/created productive method that could use that excess and "Low Cost" power, even if it is intermittent.

My view is that Tony Seba maybe is a little towards having "Elon Time", but I think eventually this will be likely to happen.

Here is the video again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHdUMDV … ithHerbert
Quote:

EXCLUSIVE: Tony Seba Predicts Super Abundant Utopia!
Brighter with Herbert

I will try to take notes.

Interesting terms:
-Stellar Energy
-Ignition Points
-Artificial Labor = Robots + AI
-Extractive vs. Stellar

Extractive @ 9.44 (Old)
Stellar @ 16.30 (New)

Overbuilding @ 20.55

Example: Amazon at Christmas (Highest Demand) and then the rest of the year.

Overbuilding for Stellar Energy apparently is the opposite of making very large storage, so that you can even out the energy over a time period. Overbuilding of solar panels, for instance, reduces the amount of energy storage you need.

But then that system will have "Superpower", at times that are not the worst days of winter for instance.

Superpower might be 3, 4, 5 times the worst-case energy harvesting. @ 24.10

So, you design your solar system for the worst week of the year and then get the superpower the rest of the year.
(This presumes that the cost of solar, wind, and batteries will continue to go down to a point that this could be afforded)

26.04 Ignition, Entropy, negative Entropy Moving from Entropy system to Negative Entropy system.

@ 29.00 Stellar Transportation System. Transportation 10-20 times cheaper than now.

@ 32.22, battery recycle, but also improving energy density in batteries. System can heal itself and produce more from what it has.

@34.29 Artificial Labor (Robots +AI) Improving much faster at this time than Moore's law.

@ 38.29 AI Ignition Point (System becomes self-sustaining and self-improving)

Eventual Artificial Labor costs $1.00/hour $0.10/hour or eventually less.

@ 44.00 Cern becomes more involved in the conversation.

Cern asks Tony Seba Questions. I may review this part next:
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@ 52.00 Space

@ 56.27 we will only need 1% of the land, and so perhaps vast areas will be turned back to nature.

@ 57.18 Precision Fermentation

@ 1.02.14 Human reproduction

@ 1.08.35 Economic translation which will have troubles. Inflation of some things. Deflation of others. Job losses.

@ 1.11.29 Economic Hallucinations.

@ 1.13.54 UBI? NO but "Granting Stellar Output Rights"

@ about 1.18.00 "Stellar Core needs to be open source, like internet or highway system"

@ 1.20.18 National debt and deflation, a problem

@ about 1.24.31 Urgent! to build "Stellar Energy System" before economic breakdown.

@ 1.30.50 What are the structures you need for Stellar rather than Extractive?

@ 1.34.37 These changes in the next 10 to 20 years it is said.

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Void · 2025-05-21 19:16:44

This is worth watching, I feel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PC8-fxQ … l=RethinkX Quote:

The DAWN of STELLAR ENERGY | Key Findings of RethinkX’s ‘Understanding Stellar Energy’ Report
RethinkX
20.9K subscriber

They mentioned a notion of using heat from a data center to help do precision fermentation.

They kind of suggested a decision tree of sorts. With a weather forecast, you might rate how the sunshine of the next day will feed energy into your system. If it looks good for tomorrow, then you can consume more of the power in your battery system. If tomorrow is not too promising, then you conserve your battery power.

This feeds into a system I would like to describe.

This system may draw on several power sources, but I add a new one that I don't think has been factored in very much .
The temperature difference between day and night. This will very likely work best in arid areas with clear night skies being common.

Post #21 could be considered as prior reference materials to some extent: https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.ph … 13#p231013
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OK, this would be a round canal as a collector:

So, a sort of decision tree could exist for this due to weather forecasts. Normally we don't get magic wishes, but in this case maybe we can. You know what the Relative Humidity will be tonight. You know what the low temperatures will be. So, based on that you can draw air though the ice-water of the circular canal to catch moisture into it and also CO2. But you would further judge if to do that, depending on the forecast for tomorrow for solar energy, and the battery levels you have.

In a similar manner you may run the heat pump, that makes ice water, and could dump heat into the exhaust air, if you do decide to collect CO2 and water.

So, you would use battery power to collect CO2, moisture, and cold from the night air, if it is considered a good investment to drain part of the power in the batteries.

On the other hand if the situation is not optimal for getting CO2, moisture, and cold from the night air, you might make Hydrogen instead, or just conserve battery power. During periods when you did have daytime superpower you could make these same evaluations as well.

Then you might mate these processes with the idea of running a data center, and using the waste heat for precision fermentation, as you have then collected CO2, Hydrogen, and moisture for it.

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Void · 2025-05-24 12:33:54

I am willing to entertain the idea that the further accumulation of creation/invention may make what was true, now then false. That is that batteries will be a problem for alternative energy sources.

I have been hearing about Sodium types of batteries. The news tends to be positive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfsijkf … tricViking
Quote:

Why Solid State Sodium Batteries Could Slash EV Costs: 10x Power Density!
The Electric Viking

There is so much incentive for "Have Nots" to try to bypass Hydrocarbon Necessity. So, of course that will spill onto everyone else.

I am not a green though, I do not think we kill the horses and then invent cars. That is what Idiots do.

You invent cars and put the horses to other uses.

So, I think that RethinkX is approximately correct, but the time scale requires some patience.

Sodium Batteries may be better for Mars, due to the cold, than Lithium Batteries.

https://www.elevenenergy.co.uk/post/the … mperatures Quote:

Between -20°C and 55°C
Sodium batteries can operate between -20°C and 55°C, far exceeding the range of lithium batteries. They are suitable for extreme weather conditions and perform well in both low and high temperatures12345.

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Void · 2025-05-25 11:56:30

This goes into a lot of detail about this topic and also some about synthetic labor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTH7RRj … ithHerbert Quote:

EXCLUSIVE: Tesla Wins Big With Unlimited Clean Energy | Adam Dorr
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This gives me an opportunity to unload some stuff from the Attic of my mind.

Among this are stirring, heating, splitting, and collecting.

A scheme I have in mind that I do not have 100% certainty on is distillation of water on the floor of an ocean.

I read that Optimus might be able to work underwater to about 10 bar level. (This is having a lot of uncertainty). This then opens some continental shelf, and some lake bottoms.

If you have a tank of 10 bar atmosphere, with a pool of warm water in it, and in cold water deeper, and we circulate the 10 bar air, we may hope to condense, fresh water in the interior top of the tank. We may want to have fans to circulate the "Air" rather vigorously.

Unlike vacuum distillation this is evaporation and condensation in a body of gases that might convey more moisture due to the thick nature of the air within.

In my dream world we could make these tanks out of Carbon. If so, we will need to anticipate microbes that will evolve to eat it so we may want to perhaps cover the Carbon walls, to keep Oxygen away. (Carbon eating microbes will perhaps not be too much of a problem for a while).

So, I feel that this process is capable of consuming lots of superpower, in various ways and we hope to provide strong economic value: https://superinnovators.com/2024/08/wor … s-99-tons/ Quote:

World’s largest carbon fiber rocket-building machine weighs 99 tons
Rocket Lab in the USA have begun installing a 12-metre tall automated fiber placement machine to produce the world’s largest carbon composite rocket structures in Maryland.
From Rocket Lab 18/08/24 (originally released 08/08/23)

So, now we have a market for our Hydrocarbons. If we pull the Hydrogen off, we might make Carbon objects we can submerge under water.

You may heat the water in the tank by several methods. Electric Heat Pump? Electric Heater, Pulling Tropical Surface Water pumped into the bottom of the submerged tank.

The cold of the water on the Continental Shelf, a certain distance down will serve to drive a condensation process that will dry the "Air" interior to the tank, and so then will promote evaporation from the surface of the warm water in the bottom of the tank. I will make a diagram.

Pause..............

So, for the gasses in the tank, we might want to avoid explosions or burning, so to limit the Oxygen. We might store Hydrogen or CO2 in them.

Of the choices, I suggest Hydrogen/Nitrogen, and to introduce some CO2, and maybe Air.
As the water is to be warm at least we might grow things in the water that consume the gasses.

In doing this we may be doing a bit of Stirring. If we heat the water inside the pool inside the tank and water evaporates and the condenses on the cold tank wall, then the cold water is made more warm, and so then may rise, and may carry nutrients with it. This may make the seas more fertile at those locations.

We might do this in lakes as well for instance Lake Erie, it is rather shallow, but the water might not be that clean.

Dealing with interior salt lakes: Great Salt Lake, Dead Sea, Aral Sea, Salton Sea, Caspian Sea.

As for the Great Salt Lake, heating may cause the lake itself to evaporate more. But if you put solar panels over it, it may inhibit evaporation. So, then you may be able to cause the lake to expand, if you reduce evaporation.

Salton Sea, same thing more or less, make it swell. If California had any brains actually, they would route more water from the Colorado River into the Salton Sea.

Because if you did the Carbon Tank thing off the arid coastal areas of California, you might get quite a product of water and also produced biomass. You might be able to shut off the Aqueducts, and reroute the water.

Thankfully there are other salt lakes on the planet so that our "Green Tards" will not be able to stop the research.

Sorry, but I group the liberals in to the royal thinkers. Just look at Carbon Trading/ Carbon Taxes. They are simply trying to elevate themselves to the elite and to reduce common people to peasants whose resources will "Wisely" be metered, until they will be happy to pay with their "Worthless" lives to kiss the heal that crushes their mouth.

The "Green Tards" are the ones who bite the hand that feeds them.

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Why am I so brutal?

Well these "Green Tards" want to ring the alarm bells to have their butts wiped for them but they will not fix anything.

Of course I am annoyed.

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Void · 2025-05-25 20:21:20

If we could figure out how to make our energy do multiple things as it neutralizes a difference in more vibration and less vibration, then I feel that that is prudent.

So say we had a data center and were going to cool it. It has already been suggested to heat greenhouses with the waste heat. Or heat the incubators for precision fermentation.

First of all, I think we have two obvious pathways to extract the heat:
1) Extract the coolant fluid and warm the water in a tank as shown in the previous post:
2) With a heat pump, extract heat from the surface waters. This will leave a cold discharge that can be used indirectly to cool the data center.

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So, for the gasses in the tank, we might want to avoid explosions or burning, so to limit the Oxygen. We might store Hydrogen or CO2 in them.
Of the choices, I suggest Hydrogen/Nitrogen, and to introduce some CO2, and maybe Air.
As the water is to be warm at least we might grow things in the water that consume the gasses.
In doing this we may be doing a bit of Stirring. If we heat the water inside the pool inside the tank and water evaporates and the condenses on the cold tank wall, then the cold water is made more warm, and so then may rise, and may carry nutrients with it. This may make the seas more fertile at those locations.

Route the heat into the tank to promote both Precision Fermentation and water distillation.

Also needed are chemicals such as Hydrogen, CO2, and perhaps a bit of Air with O2/N2. So, we are probably going to want to pull CO2 out of the water or atmosphere. As for the Hydrogen it can be created using electrolysis, I suppose. It is somewhat storable under pressure in an underwater container.

So, there are a lot of storable items. Cold for the Data Center, Hot/warm for the Precision Fermentation, Hydrogen Gas, CO2 Gas. And you can have battery packs for the Data Center, which I read has power draws the fluctuate very quickly.

So, I think you could have a good base energy source and then add in a variable such as Solar, Wind, Wave.

The various storage means I have listed, will perhaps help maintain the supply of resources to the Data Center, and allow the conversion of "Superpower" to useful product.

Here we may be harnessing various variable energy sources, and a steady one, also the differential temperature of the water.

How this is different from OTEC, is we use energy to exploit thermal differences in the water, to produce product.

OTEC tries to exploit thermal differences to make electricity so that the electricity can help make product.

It can be noted that we already are extracting CO2 presumably from the water and are growing things with it. So the Biomass might produce a precision fermentation product but also might make a biofuel as well.

We are also hoping that this process will encourage the making of Carbon built things like tanks and pipelines?
So, that is a form of sequestration.

OK, we hope to get some CO2 capture into organic matter into the Ocean by the upwelling of nutrient rich water:

Yes, it is true we are heating the ocean a bit for a while in places, but the heat still will reach it's destiny, which is the deep universe, it just goes on a detour to do some work for us.

If Humans or animals eat the biomass produced, and if the poo, some of that poo will end up in sediments, and so then more permanently sequester Carbon.

And if it is necessary to extract CO2 from the environment, here is a possible way to do it while creating wealth associated products.

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