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For RobertDyck re Canadian export success...
This assertion is surely of interest to one or two members of the NewMars community, and perhaps to a few readers.
Please consider developing your corporate topic by adapting the Canadian experience to Mars.
I would like to point out that Canada is NOT a wimpy shadow of a nation that a bully can overwhelm with threats.
While Canada certainly ** could ** be conquered by a larger nation state, it would surely put up a good fight, and would make life painful for the conquering nation thereafter.
To pretend that predators are NOT looking intently at Canada as a nice, juicy morsel is to live in a fantasy.
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For RobertDyck re mysterious post in Corporate topic.
I have absolutely NO idea what you are talking about.
In future (this is a big change for you) please included the text you are responding to in your post.
As far as I know, I've taking a positive attitude toward your posts, and have tried to support my statements as much as possible.
In the post just above this one, I specifically asked for the history of Canada helping other nations to start. I am NOT attempting to pull a gotcha the way some people might do. I ** really ** am interested in extending that part of my knowledge of human history.
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For RobertDyck re Tucows Corporation.
LinkedIn just sent me a notice that Tucows is looking for help. I did a quick lookup and discovered the company has offices in Canada. The work involves the Internet, and it may involve working remotely.
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For RobertDyck re return to physical money for Mars...
At first I was taken aback by your recent post in the Corporate Government topic.
From my point of view, we are well rid of physical money. I am still forced to use it when digital exchange is not convenient, but right now that only happens every couple of months or so when the merchant will only accept cash for services.
Other than that, I ** never ** use physical money and would prefer to never use it again.
However, in the context of Mars, your post offers an opportunity to think about how monetary exchange might work, if there is no global network to facilitate transactions.
My guess is that absolutely NO-ONE will ** want ** to use physical money on Mars. It would be an unnecessary burden on the economy, with all the unnecessary people and equipment involved in making physical money, and all of the unnecessary burdens of handling and storing it.
There are ** very ** GOOD reasons why physical money is disappearing on Earth (except for the few holdouts of the underground economy).
Your idea may very well have merit, because there may turn out to be excellent reasons why people on Mars would have to fall back to a cave man technology.
Please continue developing your thoughts on how people on Mars can trade goods and services with each other. I don't think anyone else has given the matter any thought. Certainly those planning government expeditions are not planning for exploration personnel to deal with money. They will have a supply of goods with them, and they will provide services to and for each other. All the money for ** that ** activity will have moved through thousands of digital transactions back on Earth.
As you are developing your ideas, please keep uppermost in mind that the core of any community is trust.
If you do not have trust between people on Mars, then the overhead of living there will be greater than would be the case with trust. And if you have trust, then I don't think you need the crutch of physical money. However, you may find a strong case for physical money, since trust may turn out to be in short supply on Mars.
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For RobertDyck re analog recorder disappearing in an explosion...
https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.ph … 53#p231453
Thanks for adding that observation as counterpoint to GW's nostalgia for "ancient" technology.
Another data point for that discussion is that the ability of chips to take data at greater than one Megahertz has been available for decades.
I asked Google for a quick comparison, and got back a generic answer:
Which is more accurate analog or digital?
Analog signals are much higher density, and can present more refined information. Analog signals use less bandwidth than digital signals. Analog signals provide a more accurate representation of changes in physical phenomena, such as sound, light, temperature, position, or pressure.
Analog vs. Digital Signals: Uses, Advantages and DisadvantagesMonolithic Power Systems
https://www.monolithicpower.com › learning › resources
GW's estimate of 1 megabit per second data rate is very low, and has been for many years.
I asked Google to try to find the fastest DSP chip on the market and it found this:
Search Labs | AI Overview
Learn more
The CEVA-XC16 DSP is currently considered the fastest on the market. It's based on the Gen4 CEVA-XC architecture and offers high parallelism, with the ability to perform up to 1,600 Giga Operations Per Second (GOPS). This makes it suitable for applications like 5G endpoints, Radio Access Networks, and high-speed data processing.
That chip takes data at a rate that should be able to capture most interesting variations in rocket performance.
Obviously we have no way of knowing what data rate the SpaceX engineers are using, but I'll bet they are not starved for bandwidth on Starship.
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For RobertDyck re series on money....
I am glad to see that at least two of the four admins made an effort to keep your soliloquy going!
I was surprised to see that you read my comments as advocating paper money. To the best of my recollection, I did no such thing.
Please find and post the test where I did.
To the best of my recollection, I would have said "digital" money. Paper is no more useful than coins. it is needed when there is no Internet, which certainly may be the case on Mars.
I also tried to be as clear as I possibly could that gold has NO value whatsoever on Mars, with the sole exception of an imported Earth person who has a fixation. No one else would have that fixation, but clearly there are a few folks on Earth who do. I read a report recently about a secret repository of physical gold somewhere in Europe. The repository provides employment for the guards and for the owners of the property. That's a good example of the capitalist system at work.
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For RobertDyck re trade ...
Void just posted something about trade on Earth...
This post is NOT about trade on Earth, except as it may have value as an example of things that work and things that do not work.
I'd like to offer you the opportunity to think about barter.
In ancient times, barter was all folks had. It is only recently that humans decided to try using tokens as a shortcut for barter.
You have been talking about needing something of value for use as the shortcut for barter, but I think that is no longer necessary.
With modern technology, we can simply barter.
If you have some Martian rocks to offer, and I have a supply of oxygen because I have chosen to specialize in making oxygen, we could barter for the amount of exchange instead of fussing around with tokens. I'm not going to be able to use the rocks you have, but Joe over in the next habitat can, so an automated barter system (mediated by AI's) should be able to settle an agreeable amount of oxygen for me to turn over to you for the rocks you have in your carrier.
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