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#101 2024-01-15 15:44:22

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These days with money being the reason for not being able to stay in your home. This Pinterest-worthy tiny home can run completely off the grid — and it costs almost nothing to maintain

sure if you get property that has no rights to services.

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#102 2024-01-15 15:58:28

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For SpaceNut re #101

Thanks for finding and posting this report ...

By any chance, did you notice the freezing toilet?

I'd like to more more about that option. I assume ??? the frozen material is carried back to civilization for disposal?

If so, that's not ** quite ** "living off the grid".

On the ** other ** hand, it sure sounds like a good idea .... the land where the tiny home resides does not get contaminated if the waste is removed.

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#103 2024-01-15 17:16:32

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Septic tanks are pumped and disposed of usually in sand pits that are near streams. They are then covered and allow to decay and become part of the soil creation system.

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#104 2024-01-20 08:47:25

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Why are we not happy in a booming economy is due to 5 reasons of which I think are not something to be ignored.
5 Reasons Why Americans Aren’t Enthusiastic About A Thriving Economy

1. Housing costs are extremely high: The onset of the COVID-19 pandemic sent the housing market into a spiral. Mortgage interest rates have gone sky high as the demand for homes has increased and rates still remain stubbornly high. Those who were locked into mortgages with low, pre-pandemic interest rates are more reluctant to move and sacrifice their low rates. This has led to a smaller available housing stock, which has driven up home prices. At the same time, rents have risen dramatically across the U.S. over the past few years. Inflation (and the demand for housing) have driven housing costs way up — and renters are feeling the pain, too.

2. Inflation is still rampant: It’s clear that the prices of so many things have gone up over the past few years. The costs associated with housing, groceries, utilities, dining out and more have all risen. While the unemployment rate is very low, only a small fraction of Americans are out of work even when unemployment rates are relatively high. Meanwhile, elevated levels of inflation affect everyone regardless of employment status, which continues to plague people’s finances. For Americans, the perception of a “good” economy is more often influenced by lower levels of inflation rather than a low unemployment rate.

3. People need to adjust from rapid economic change: The onset of the pandemic induced negative economic change that affected many people and industries across the U.S. Sudden job losses coupled with high levels of inflation were a huge shock. In fact, in May 2020, about 60 million people reported that they had been out of work in the preceding month because their employer had lost business or closed due to the pandemic. Housing prices — as well as the cost of food, energy, and rent — have all increased. Now that the economy is recovering, Americans seem to need more time to adjust to economic change going in the opposite direction.

4. There are high expectations: After many parts of the economy crashed at the onset of the pandemic, it has taken several years for the economy to turn around. Also, during the pandemic, the federal government provided Americans unprecedented financial support. There was a pause on all federally held student loan payments, millions of eligible Americans received thousands of dollars via stimulus payments, there was expanded federal aid to all unemployed workers, there were many tax breaks granted to parents, a federal moratorium on evictions was in place, and billions of dollars in aid was given to state and local governments. Now that many of these provisions have come to an end, Americans are adjusting to what it means to have a “good” economy.

5. The media hypes up bad news: Despite recent economic progress, the media tends to have a negativity bias which, in turn, affects how Americans perceive the state of the economy. There is a gap between how people feel about the economy overall versus their own personal financial situation, per The Atlantic. Continued negative hype about the economy can both worsen the gap and shape negative financial perceptions.

The items 1,2,3 are part of why but the wish versus desire in 4 and repeated reporting of 5 are what makes up the solving of the why. As it points to wanting more money and keeping up with those that have more.

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#105 2024-02-07 06:56:48

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A city on Mars.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ8sZtg-Kdc

Why space colonisation is going to be tough.  Wasn't sure where to put this.  Climbing out of Poverty seems appropriate, because that is effectively what a Mars colony would be trying to do.  Once you get past the wow factor, there isn't much that Mars has that a person or people can actually sell.  In many ways it is a lot like trying to build a nation in Antarctica.  But without breathable air and much more difficult and expensive to resupply.

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#106 2024-02-25 09:30:40

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We know that we must treat the reason for why there is homelessness as well as the person that becomes that way. Giving help is only part of the solution to help financially. So, a support system for the individual must be created where many think this is socialism.

Republicans vote unanimously to ban basic income programs in a state with one of the highest homelessness rates despite Arizona grappling with the fourth-highest rate of homelessness in the nation.

Means a bigger problem is happening...

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#107 2024-04-24 20:28:18

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The article is about the very title of this topic ... the bottom line is that this is a multi-generation process...

https://time.com/6969794/racial-wealth- … wtab-en-us

Poverty is a generational problem and it’s one that we can and should solve, but to do so will require holistic and generational approaches that fully take into account how wealth-building works.

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#108 2024-05-25 17:58:44

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#109 2024-06-15 14:10:11

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How Many Solar Panels Does It Take To Power A Tiny Home?


A small house that's one-eighth the size of a big house doesn't necessarily consume one-eighth the energy. Many of the same power-hungry appliances, such as phones, televisions, refrigerators, computers, and internet routers, will be needed. However, tiny homes may only have one of each device and will certainly use less energy overall, saving on heating, air conditioning, and lighting.

To calculate how much energy your tiny home will require, it's best to look at your past energy bills, comparing two bills from the summer and winter months to see what heating and air conditioning costs. Mild months that require less climate control will provide the best estimate for your baseline energy needs.

Another option at this stage is to skip the math altogether. Popular solar panel guides, such as Bluetti and Ecoflow, use the figure of around 22,000 watt-hours per day as an example of the amount of energy you'll need. You can use this estimate to guide your calculation, though it won't be as accurate as adding up your unique consumption yourself.

With the daily average power consumption and solar potential of your tiny house, you can now calculate how many panels you'll need. Most residential solar panels range from 250 to 400 watts per hour, and some high-efficiency models can generate even more. Figure out which size you'll invest in, or pick a wattage to use as an example for now. You can always enter a different number into the formula if you decide on a different solar panel size later.

Next, multiply the wattage of your solar panel by the daily solar potential you got from Step 2. Then, take your daily average power consumption from Step 1 and divide it by that number.

You can enter the numbers into this formula:

(Solar panel model's wattage per hour) x (Daily solar potential of your property in hours, from Step 2) = Daily power generation of one panel.
(Daily power consumption from Step 1) / (Daily power generation of one panel) = Number of solar panels needed.
For example, a 400W panel operating in New Jersey, where the average daily sun exposure is 3.75 hours, will produce 1,500W per day (400Wx3.75h=1,500Wh). So, if your average daily consumption is 22,000W, divide 22,000W by 1,500W. The result is 14.67, which rounds up to 15. Thus, you will need 15 solar panels to produce that energy.

Here's the example plugged into the formula:

(400W) x (3.75h) = 1,500W
(22,000W) / (1,500W) = 14.67 ≈ 15

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#110 2024-06-23 05:39:24

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For SpaceNut re #109

I'd like to offer you follow up question ... how many solar panels would it take for a low income person to have a home and a source of income from  solar power?

Please take this question seriously ... The need for housing ** and ** income for low income persons is huge and getting worse, according to a report I saw yesterday.  The focus of the report was Austin, Texas, but I think it is valid for many other areas.  Builders have created housing for high income earners who never showed up in that region. Meanwhile, costs of low income housing are sky rocketing.

I expect to be talking to a banker in a few days, and I'd like to be able to offer a skeleton of a plan to offer low income housing that also produces income.

My reason for meeting this gent is minor, having to do with adjusting some accounts, but this person is young enough to be able to think boldly. He is held back by the traditional conservative nature of the institution.

For kbd512 .... you have the ability to run the numbers for this proposition...I'm hoping you might be willing to look at the scenario.

What I'm thinking about is a massive investment (a public/private partnership) such that currently homeless people or those on the edge can be placed in housing that earns enough to pay back investors ** and ** provide income for the property owner sufficient to live on when combined with low wage employment.

Examples from the video I saw are home care workers who are traditionally underpaid for very difficult work.

Update a bit later .... Native Americans live on land that might be suitable for consideration for this project .... there is plenty of sunlight, and the residents already are limited in access to water and almost everything else. What they have is plenty of dry land where solar panels should do well.

Aside from Native Americans, there is (according to reports) a large population in America of persons with very limited income who might be interested in this proposal.  I'm hoping there is land available that might be allocated for this purpose.

This would be a project similar to the famous American Homestead act, which opened lands in the West to anyone who might be able to travel to a location and claim a plot of land.  The setup for this project would be a bit better organized.  The competitive aspect is not necessary.

Update a bit later: This topic might be of interest to the Google Meeting attendees, but I think it should be deferred to next week.


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#111 2024-06-23 12:03:27

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Much depends on the comforts that one might want.

How many solar panels can you fit on a tiny house roof?

Generally speaking, you can only fit around 2 solar panels on a tiny house roof. This presents a real challenge because today you can really only expect to make around 20 watts per square foot of solar panel in ideal circumstances. That means you’re only going to be able to fit around 600 watts of solar production on a tiny house roof

15 solar panels will power a typical tiny house. This assumes an average sized solar panel of around 300 watts, which would generate around 4,500 watts of power from the sun. This would cover all your power needs including some heating and cooling, but require you to have a gas cook range and a propane heated hot water heater.

I would also include hot water evaporation tubes.

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#112 2024-06-30 16:36:16

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Those that want to claim homelessness a crime should create small homes to keep people from becoming that way based on income that they have. Some communities have what is called section 8 and some other such but they have waiting lists not week, months but multiple years.

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or is this better
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but them again this is more to what we usually find
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#113 2024-08-19 19:04:10

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I watched a video today of the area around the DNC convention in San Francisco, a city I've been to a number of times, though not in the past 10 years.  When I was last there in my 30s, it was a beautiful and clean seaside city with its own unique character.  Now it looks like a dystopian hellscape.  There are homeless drug addicts shooting drugs, amongst piles of trash and feces, while the city's Police drive by them.  It's shocking how single-party rule and fake compassion public policies have ruined one of America's crown jewels.  Handing out poison to drug addicts doesn't make Democrats or society more compassionate, but it has surely hastened along wanton death and destruction.  I want no more of what I saw outside that convention.  No, thank you.  That was enough, already.  San Fran has been needlessly ruined by the faulty ideology of anti-humanism.

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Nevermind, they were showing some group of Democrats in San Fran watching the convention, while complaining about conditions in the city they live in, but this is what they voted for.

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#114 2024-08-20 17:50:33

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The images just above indicate what is missing from what KBD512 has described and the change of that is in reverse order. Of course, it does not mean bulldozering the trash campsite but allowing for belongings to be brought into the clean environment while processing to understand why they are homeless, getting drug or other addiction help and care and then finally moving them into something more sustainable while working on the underlying issues. This also mean moving them once they are brought into these phases of change.

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#115 2024-08-20 19:45:07

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SpaceNut,

I don't have a problem with people being homeless, so long as they don't take a dump on the sidewalk or shoot drugs in front of the neighborhood elementary school.  If they ever want to return to society, I also think we should help them do so.  We are not showing care / love / compassion for the homeless by not treating their mental illness or fueling their drug habits, the combination of which causes them to remain homeless into perpetuity.  If one of our citizens truly cannot take care of themselves, then of course we should help them.  BTW, before the Democrats did everything they could to remove all traces of Christianity from society, that was the role our Christians used to fill.  They generally did a better job than our government, certainly in aggregate.

At $100 per hour, $392B could've paid for quite a number of psychologist visits, don't you think?

That's about 6,000 hours of psychiatric treatment per homeless person, if the HUD stats are correct (653,104 in January of 2023, according to HUD- the population of a large city).  Instead, the Democrats handed all that money out to their campaign donors, who then produced no "green energy".  Those greenbacks are all gone, and we're on the hook for their bread and games idiocy, but nothing else changed.  I wonder why?  I know I didn't vote for it.

Maybe any time any party wants to spend over $10B on any particular project, the American people should be required to put their finger on the scale, because Congress critters refuse to behave responsibly, in the absence of real leadership from the very people they're supposed to be leading.

Nobody is actually minding the store with the Democrats in office.  President Biden is technically alive, but not being dead and knowing what planet you're on are two different things.  They're interested in holding onto power, in distributing cash and prizes, but not governing and not leading.  Unless they're leading everyone to unrecoverable economic destruction, no other actual form of leadership is happening.  Every time they're elected, they dig us deeper into debt.  They concoct "solutions" to problems that functionally don't exist.  It's going to come crashing down in the near future, because we won't be able to afford the interest payments on the debt, which will exceed our GDP.  No Medicare, no Social Security, no Defense Department.  Go read some CBO reports if you don't believe me.  That's coming in less than 10 years now.

By their actions, rather than what they say to your face, there is no Democrat politician in America that gives a rat's rear end about anyone who is poor or middle class.  If they ever did, they'd cease and desist with policy that continually makes them poorer.  Their theatrics are good at averting attention away from what they're actually doing, but when you realize there's no money left for any of what you paid into for your entire life, I think you're going to be none-too-happy with the results.  The only people they reward with cash and prizes are the very people who already help themselves to all the goodies society offers, but then whine, cry, and scream bloody murder when asked to contribute something back to society in return.

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#116 2024-08-20 20:47:34

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4 Charts That Explain How People Slide Into Homelessness

Not one of the charts are able to tally to 100% so they are false graphs.

Why can't we stop homelessness? 4 reasons why there's no end in sight

Real data Starts with tracing back to before they become homeless to understand. Sure, once they are they drop into the day-to-day life of ever-increasing despair with the effort to survive. They begin to feel there is no help in sight as they have no physical address for mail. Therefore, the assistance will not come even if they fall within the guidelines.

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#117 2024-08-21 01:38:33

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SpaceNut,

I think the overriding issue is that the people who control the purse strings would rather spend public money on their pet projects or paying off their campaign donors than doing what they all claim they're doing- using the power of government to help their own constituents.  I don't think that's what they've been up to.  Alternatively, they're either actively working to undermine societal cohesion or utterly incompetent to address the very real issues their constituents are facing, and it shows.

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#118 2024-09-02 12:39:15

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Modern economic data is garbage.
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/fai … statistics

The Clinton administration changed the way unemployment, inflation and economic growth are measured.  How are we doing by the old standards?  See for yourself.
http://shadowstats.com/

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