When Science climate change becomes perverted by Politics.

SpaceNut · 2024-03-17 11:58:25

The Atlantic Ocean could soon be closed off by a ring of furious volcanoes

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kbd512 · 2024-03-17 16:55:39

SpaceNut,

This is the end
Hold your breath and count to ten
Feel the Earth move and then
Hear my heart burst again
For this is the end
I've drowned and dreamt this moment
So overdue, I owe them
Swept away, I'm stolen
Let the sky fall
When it crumbles
We will stand tall
Face it all together

SpaceNut · 2024-07-04 13:33:59

Scientists Study Radical Plan to Artificially Cool the Earth

SpaceNut · 2024-07-06 07:52:14

Inside the University of Chicago’s controversial solar geoengineering initiative

SpaceNut · 2024-08-18 11:38:46

Siberia's growing 'gate to hell' crater sparks climate fears

"gate to hell,"
1. Batagaika crater, Siberian
2. Pluto's gateT, urkey
3. Hellam Township in Pennsylvania, US
4. Turkmenistan (Darvaza crater), China
5. Fengdu, the so-called "ghost city"
6. Kenya, where a "gate to hell" can be found in one of the local national parks (Hells Gate National Park)

kbd512 · 2024-08-18 15:44:46

SpaceNut,

Is there anything at all that doesn't "spark fears" amongst our climate death cult membership?

Will they ever figure out that people who hate other people are dripping poison into their minds?

Void · 2025-02-03 13:27:55

All though my life there seems to have been scare warnings of some kind. It used to be a up and coming ice age.

Then it was acid raid, pollution.

Ozone...............

Climate crisis, change, terror.

I actually think that climate is warming, but that we may catch the problem in time, without having to kill the human race and its technology off.

But, lets roll back to 1989: https://www.bing.com/search?q=movie+mil … 1&hsmssg=0

I am not recommending you watch the movie for free.

The woman from 1000 years in the future has to smoke cigarettes because she is so adapted to pollution.
So, a different fear.

We need to be careful as it appears to me that there is a group of people who want to destroy the industrial system and replace if with poverty stricken surfs ruled by royalty. I as an American am not in favor of that.

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Void · 2025-02-06 09:22:34

Nuke the Ocean: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxGLOzIB6wg
Quote:

The Haverly Plan: Nuclear Explosions for Large Scale Carbon Sequestration
AnthroFuturism
25.6K subscribers

I suppose if things get really bad.

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Void · 2025-03-18 08:31:10

I had wondered if CO2 had been partly Saturated, but this video indicates that it is totally saturated: https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/r … ORM=WRVORC Quote:

The Science They Won’t Tell You: CO₂’s Warming Limit
YouTube
The Heartland Institute
1.5K views
17 hours ago

https://climateataglance.com/
Quote:

Carbon Dioxide Saturation in the Atmosphere
Underlying Science
Image: Global atmospheric CO2 concentration as recorded by NASA’s OCO-2 satellite mission. Image credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech Key Takeaways: Adding more carbon dioxide (CO2) to the atmosphere will have virtually no additional…

https://www.co2.earth/daily-co2
Quote:

Latest

Daily CO2

A reminder that our world is pushing the planet's thermostat beyond safe levels of 350 ppm CO2, and that more people are needed to combine our ingenuity and resources to keep the present overshoot brief.
Mar. 17, 2025 427.23 ppm
Mar. 17, 2024 423.96 ppm
1 Year Change 3.27 ppm (0.77%)

That looks like saturation if what was said in the video was true. 400 ppm would be maxed out.

I am eager to be better educated by the greens if they care to make the effort.

Now, I will be reasonable. It may be that the warming is also accumulating heat in the Oceans, and so then a melt of polar and other ice is baked, in. That part I do not have certainty on.

Going into a conspiracy speculation, maybe this whole thing is in part a fraud. If so, who would present the fraud, and why?

It appears that it could be possible that somehow the forces of a fraud have wanted to deindustrialize the peoples of a certain culture. Some deindustrialization happened to our rust belt, to bribe China to leave the Soviet Union as a partner.

And so now then big parts of Europe are now being deindustrialized.

And on top of that there is an obvious effort to colonize and replace the populations of so-called western nations. I have long suspected that shadow figures stimulated WWI and WWII. And now we have the attempted depopulation of Ukraine. Even the attempt to do another World War.

Thank God America has begun to wake up. We need others to wake up as well.

But by my calculations a wakeup of at least parts of the west was somehow in the works of the flow of time. The things I had been suspecting might happen are to some reasonable degree, in evidence.

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GW Johnson · 2025-03-18 18:08:19

The fraud is perpetuated by those whose livelihood comes from selling fossil fuels, which inherently increase CO2 content in the atmosphere.

I do NOT believe there is a "saturation" level of CO2! That notion is a new part of the fraud-for-profit. It has been far higher in the distant past on Earth, and it IS far higher on Venus and on Mars. It was life on Earth that helped pull CO2 out of the atmosphere and deposit it as limestone on the bottoms of the oceans. That effect may have been too small over geologic time on Venus, and it was likely overwhelmed by atmospheric erosion on Mars by the solar wind without a string magnetic field.

I know the right-wing and far-right media will do or say anything to deny climate change, but their motive for that fraud is very simple and easy to understand: short-term profit.

GW

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Void · 2025-03-18 18:36:59

Thank You for your help to learn Dr. Johnson.

I do recall though that the severe greenhouse effect of Venus is not just by CO2, but by a broad mixture of substances, each which block a specific wavelength. I think also that in the case of Venus much heat may come from the heat of the planet, not just the sun. The planet itself glows a dim red.

But I will wait to see things about saturation elaborated on proved or disproved.

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Void · 2025-03-21 10:33:43

I am going to chase this around a bit more for the sake of learning. Not to favor or disfavor Carbon burning, or for a political perching, but to attempt to understand better.

There are two major notions I have seen in my searches.
1) Greenhouse warming is proportional to the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere.
2) Each equal unit of the greenhouse gas released into the atmosphere will have reduced warming as a unit of temperature rise.

#1 sounds fishy from the start.
#2 suggests that a saturation can occur, and some sources suggest that it has occurred.

*Saturation of CO2, in this case does not indicate how limited the amount of CO2 that the atmosphere can absorb might be. Both Venus and Mars have CO2 as the dominant gas.

* I think both #1, and #2 consider the surface of the Earth as the reference of what heat is blocked from radiating into space. However, some wavelengths may be absorbed before encountering the ground. And the Surface is not uniform in altitude, so the depth of atmosphere, and total CO2 is not uniform over the Earth, but the surface of the Oceans is the dominant surface. Clouds are a wild card as well, low clouds and high clouds. Water vapor as well is a greenhouse gas.

So, I can say the two things I are established in my mind.
A) I don't believe that warming is proportional to increased amount of CO2.
B) I don't know that the atmosphere is saturated with CO2 yet, but it might be.

The wavelengths that CO2 block are: https://www.bing.com/search?q=what+wave … 4b&pc=DCTS Quote:

Carbon dioxide (CO2) blocks infrared radiation (IR) in the following narrow bands of wavelengths:
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2.7 micrometers (µM)
4.3 micrometers (µM)
15 micrometers (µM)

So, the sunlight that may penetrate to the surface might then convert to emissions in those wavelengths and so the CO2 may block it from leaving the lower atmosphere.

* I have a concern that the atmosphere not only blocks infrared from radiating into space but blocks some of the sun's infrared wavelengths from penetrating to the ground. We have no calculation that I know of for the light that it blocked from reaching the ground by CO2 and associated secondary effects, water vapor, low clouds, high clouds, so that is beyond my reach at this time. But it is likely that if CO2 has blocking effects from the ground up, if has blocking effects from the sun to the surface.

Here is a claim of non-linear reaction of temperature to CO2 increase: https://www.therightinsight.org/CO2-Sat … hs%20in%20
Here is the claim, quote:

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The effect of CO2 in the globe’s atmosphere on global temperature is the result of the absorption of infrared radiation emitted from the surface of the globe toward space. The quantity of radiation emitted by the surface of the globe is finite. CO2 absorbs infrared radiation only in limited portions of the radiation spectrum. As the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere increases, the fraction of the radiation in those portions of the spectrum absorbed by CO2 increases, within the limits of the total radiation emitted in those portions of the spectrum. Therefore, as the CO2 concentration increases, the quantity of radiation available to be absorbed by the next increment of CO2 decreases logarithmically, as shown in the graph below.

Graph Quote: climate242-1%20Heating%20Effect%20of%20CO2.jpg
Further Claims, quote:

AMO physicists William van Wijngaarden and William Happer have recently completed an extremely detailed study of radiation absorption by the principal “greenhouse” gases including water vapor (H2O), carbon dioxide (CO2), ozone (O3), nitrous oxide (N2O) and methane (CH4). Their paper has been released as a preprint entitled “Dependence of Earth’s Thermal Radiation on Five Most Abundant Greenhouse Gases”. Their research regarding CO2 determined that the wavelengths at which CO2 absorbs radiation from the surface of the globe are essentially “saturated”, meaning that the current concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere is sufficient to absorb virtually all the radiation emitted at the wavelengths in which CO2 absorbs.
This is an extremely important conclusion, since it indicates that emission of additional CO2 into the atmosphere will have little or no effect on global temperatures, confirming the logarithmic relationship shown in the graph above, but based on far more detailed research. The conclusion confirms that there is no climate “crisis” now and that there would be no climate crisis in the future, regardless of the quantity of additional anthropogenic CO2 emissions.
The conclusions of this study are obviously inconsistent with the consensed climate science community’s narrative and with the political science narrative of the UN and numerous national governments and NGOs. They would be even less consistent with the revised narrative being prepared for the IPCC Sixth Assessment Report and with the projections embodied in the CMIP6 ensemble of climate models.
The authors released the report as a preprint after it was rejected for publication by three peer reviewed journals. These rejections of the work of two renowned scientists recall the efforts of the consensed climate science community to prevent publication of research which does not support the consensus narrative, as revealed in the Climategate emails in 2009 and 2010. It is extremely likely that this research will not be included in the IPCC Sixth Assessment Report for the same reason.
It is long since time for the consensed climate science community to transition from defending the narrative to advancing the science. This cannot occur in an atmosphere in which serious scientific research is ignored or worse buried. The consensed climate science community is aware of the weaknesses of its narrative and the public is becoming increasingly aware as well, due to the history of failed predictions of imminent calamity.

* I might say that if you clipped off a portion of the chart, you might be able to try to claim that it is linear, to some extent. But that is like a magic trick.

So, if there is an attempt at deception, who might do it and why?

Coffee pause............

Well, it could be used as a tool for Equity of outcome, not Equality of opportunity.

Within a sort of national assembly, you could find "Judas Goats" who might betray the people they supposedly belong to as a group, for personal gain.

The USA by accident or talent, (Probably a bit of both), inherited a good position, so, it would be expected that jealousy might motivate others to seek tools to change that equation.

This can manifest in the UN, the British Commonwealth, and other communities.

As a tool for the Left and for other national governments, the de-industrialization of future completion would be sensible hostile tricks.

Well don't get me wrong, I am very much a fan of alternative energy sources including solar, wind, and battery. But I don't think they are mature yet. For instance, they are vulnerable to hail in the case of solar. I suggest considering sun following technology that can also tip the panels to avoid falling hail.

The Alternative Energy cannot mature without practice, so practice makes perfect.

And I have trust issues as concerns leftism, and also anti-colonial excess. That is I believe that the colonial era was a motion from one state of geometry to another per ethnic balances, and that it did need to finish the motion, but I see not productivity in excessively trying to change the geometry back to what it was and consider such efforts to be a waste of time.

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