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If the Russian continue with this propaganda junk, you could be looking for the ISS to dissolve sooner rather than later.
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I remember when having a commercial resupply was just a dream.
SpaceX Launches Its 25th Resupply Mission to International Space Station
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Today's news reports include the Russians saying they intend to leave the ISS in 2024.
NASA and ESA thus have a bit less than 2 years in which to perfect refueling on-orbit and devising some means of re-boost and debris-avoidance propulsion.
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GW Johnson
McGregor, Texas
"There is nothing as expensive as a dead crew, especially one dead from a bad management decision"
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GW,
Does Orion have enough fuel to reboost ISS?
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I honestly don't know, but I suspect that it might be able to do that job. But the problem with using Orion for that is it essentially requires an SLS to launch it (there are no more Delta-4's). Why spend $4.1+B for a re-boost mission?
Cygnus seems to have at least some re-boost capability. They have a bit under 2 years to modify Cygnus for more propellant to do the job of re-boost and debris avoidance.
It's also possible that the crew Dragon might have some capability, since it has the big SuperDraco thrusters that cargo Dragon does not have. I suspect there's not enough propellant aboard to do the job, though. It's only about 1800 kg, last I heard. So, there's a bit less than 2 years available to figure out how to put extra tanks in the service module and connect them to the capsule systems.
If Boeing ever succeeds getting Starliner flying, that one's service module might serve, as well. Maybe. Trouble is, these are things outside what any of these craft were designed for. Time is short to make any of them work.
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GW Johnson
McGregor, Texas
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The refueling issue has to do with the ISS's attitude thrusters. The Russian supply ships have been refueling those all these years. NASA and ESA never saw fit to attempt doing that. It's a real scramble to get that done in 2 years, beause nobody besides the Russians ever built that kind of vehicle and hardware, or has actually done that job.
2020 hindsight says that neglect was actually rather stupid management. But because it's hindsight, it may be too late to correct.
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GW Johnson
McGregor, Texas
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Back on the Earth on the ground Russia has broken international norms with the imperial style invasion of Ukraine with many innocents killed but above it all in space it almost continues as normal and peacefully. The ISS has also been a destination for Commercial flight, 'Space tourists' made flights to the International Space Station.
Could the ISS still Fly and Survive with the End of all Russian Modules? Or maybe another question one could dare ask is How big could the ISS be without Russian influence, since it might be more or less impossible to replicate everything exactly as Russians did to keep the ISS going it could be time to think radical and outside the Box. Let us assume the political minds do not do something foolishly forever playing this game of back and forth with Putin or something radical like outsourcing keeping the ISS flying to some place like China or India so perhaps if Russians won't sell their half of the station or plan on withdrawing parts of crashing a component then perhaps replace it with something new and updated. For example NASA is already asking about alternative power sources for the Moon and Mars so then why not test a new idea, like Nuclear 500 KWe power supply, a very very long horse drawn carriage or long pole that pushes, that most likely runs electric propulsion the type of Nuclear electric propulsion space tug that so many have called for, the station could later be expanded upon even more. Other options could be explored like adapting designs of Europe's ATV, other options like HTV vehicle from Japan, SpaceX Cargo Dragon for resupply or Cygnus could be modified to serve ISS needs. If people want to ISS to end premature and the ISS is almost destined to come crashing down in 2024 then why not use the opportunity to test some fringe ideas before it ends its natural life. Disconnecting Russian segment from the rest of ISS just seems like something not possible according online information available. The Russians have also said by year 2024 Roscosmos will begin to create a Russian orbital station. Drafted: It could also be a long slow legal divorce like the Brexit EU Withdrawl, the 2016 membership referendum Britain starting a process of leaving the European Union January 2020, and some elements of the divorce with the European Union still getting ironed out, maybe Putin will be more dictatorial and less politically bureaucratic about the whole thing. Also you can't just strap Nuke power or Rockets onto its sides and blast it off to Mars as an orbiting manned station because the ISS was not originally designed to handle the loads. There might be other options other new ideas like from Boeing or SpaceX or Axiom or other commercial station providers?
The legal structure that regulates the station is multi-layered. The primary layer establishing obligations and rights between the ISS partners is the Space Station Intergovernmental Agreement (IGA), The original ISS agreement consists of Canada, Japan, the Russian Federation, the United States, and eleven Member States of the European Space Agency (Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Italy, The Netherlands, Norway, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and the United Kingdom). This ISS space Agreement is a long term international co-operative framework on the basis of genuine partnership, for utilization of a permanently inhabited civil Space Station for peaceful purposes.
http://www.esa.int/esaHS/ESAH7O0VMOC_iss_0.html
The Outer Space Treaty represents the basic legal framework of international space law. According to the U.N. Office for Outer Space Affairs (UNOOSA), some of its core principles are 'the exploration and use of outer space shall be carried out for the benefit and in the interests of all countries and shall be the province of all mankind' and astronauts shall be regarded as the envoys of mankind;
also Agreement on the Rescue of Astronauts, the Return of Astronauts and the Return of Objects Launched into Outer Space, also referred to as the Rescue Agreement is an international agreement setting forth rights and obligations of states concerning the rescue of persons in space. http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/ap … 50321.html
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GW,
How hard would it be to make a Dragon V3 that's nothing but an unpressurized service module with much larger fuel tanks and SuperDraco thrusters?
This is essentially a dockable satellite constructed from man-rated hardware. Given that they've already experimented with reboost using Soyuz and ATV, why would this take two years?
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It would not be hard technically, but SpaceX doesn't want to do it. Both versions of Dragon have gone out of production. They are betting their farm that Starship/Superheavy is their main future product line. Plus Falcon-9/-Heavy cargo flights for a while yet.
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GW Johnson
McGregor, Texas
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They must be betting that they will never need to replace any star link satellites.... Starship is not the vehicle for the replacements of these satellites.
I would hope that they convert a starship into s true second stage to place cargo on orbit that does not require and return function and make that second stage disposable.
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Critical Research Under Way Benefiting Humans on and off Earth
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Russia, planning to go it alone, unveils model of new space station
https://news.yahoo.com/russia-planning- … 20815.html
Russia's national space agency Roskosmos presented a model of the planned space station, dubbed "ROSS" by Russian state media, on Monday at "Army-2022", a military-industrial exhibition outside Moscow.
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NASA astronaut ready for Soyuz flight to ISS
https://spacenews.com/nasa-astronaut-re … ht-to-iss/
Frank Rubio is scheduled to launch to the ISS Sept. 21 on the Soyuz MS-22 spacecraft, joined by Russian cosmonauts Sergey Prokopyev and Dmitri Petelin. He will spend six months on the station as part of the Expedition 68 crew.
Rubio will be the first NASA astronaut to fly on a Soyuz since Mark Vande Hei returned from the station in March after spending nearly one year on the station. That return took place a month after Russia started its full-scale invasion of Ukraine, prompting a series of measures that severed most space cooperation between Russia and the West other than the ISS.
In a call with reporters Aug. 22, Rubio said a “good and strong relationship” remained in place between NASA and the Russian space agency Roscosmos on the ISS despite the invasion. “This crew swap really represents the ongoing effort of tremendous teams on both sides and amazing people that make this happen,” he said.
“I think it’s important that, when we’re at moments of possible tension elsewhere, human spaceflight and exploration, something that both agencies are incredibly passionate about, remains a form of diplomacy and partnership where we can find common ground and keep achieving great things together,” he added.
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This post can go here as well
NASA, SpaceX adjust Crew-5 launch date
https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/NASA … e_999.html
Crew-5 will carry two NASA astronauts Mission Commander Nicole Mann and Pilot Josh Cassada, along with JAXA (Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency) astronaut Koichi Wakata and Roscosmos cosmonaut Anna Kikina, who will serve as mission specialists.
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Boeings in ability to get the capsule going has led to NASA taps SpaceX for 5 more astronaut missions worth $1.4 billion
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The European Robotic Arm is a robotic arm that is attached the Russian Orbital Segment, similar to Canadarm famously doing missions on the Shuttle and the Japanese Experiment Module.
ERA arm moving today.
https://twitter.com/Apaiss1/status/1569696389864497157
The maximum payload mass of the ERA is 8,000 kg (18,000 lb), as opposed to the Canadarm2's maximum payload mass at 116,000 kg (256,000 lb)
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi … 008875.pdf
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So preparing for when Russian modules are no longer in use or even there hopefully.
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NASA's SpaceX Crew-5 astronauts ready for historic mission
https://www.space.com/nasa-spacex-crew-5-mission
Russian-American Soyuz MS-22 crew arrives at Space Station
https://www.spaceflightinsider.com/miss … e-station/
Private Astronaut Mission Flight Opportunities for 2023 and 2024
https://sam.gov/opp/99d3383562b4496781c … 8ee9a/view
Sierra Space’s Janet Kavandi says in a panel session on the Orbital Reef commercial space station that the first flight of Dream Chaser is now planned for next summer.
https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/1 … 9188235266
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New crew is welcomed aboard the SpaceStation.
Acid lake atop real-life 'Mount Doom' captured in striking new image from space station
https://www.livescience.com/mount-ruape … naut-photo
An astronaut aboard the International Space Station (ISS) has snapped a stunning image of a snow-circled hydrothermal lake atop the real-life "Mount Doom" in New Zealand.
Russia Sets 2028 As Target For Space Station Departure
https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/ … -departure
Here is one of the older new mars forum threads I found
'ISS to crash and burn? - Russia reconsiders'
https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=799
It dates before the fatal incident in Space Shuttle space program that occurred in 2003, then it was stated Russia would help nre with the Soyuz and get the ISS stay a float and Shuttle came back with STS-114 the Shuttle "Return to Flight" Space Shuttle mission, and the Hubble Space Telescope servicing mission and finishing of construction of the ISS. Russian was once considered a reliable partner for a while but more recently the Invasion of Ukraine even Touches Outer Space, it is unclear how space agencies such the European Space Agency will rework their previous space missions like Exomars, the commerical space sector has also changed we now have the Private Flight and Space-X.
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American, Russians reach space station as war rages in Ukraine
https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Amer … e_999.html
A US astronaut and two Russian cosmonauts have arrived safely at the International Space Station (ISS), NASA said Wednesday, after blasting off on a Russian-operated flight in a rare instance of cooperation between Moscow and Washington.
The Russian space agency Roscosmos and NASA both distributed live footage of the launch from Kazakhstan and commentators speaking over the feed said it was stable and the crew was "feeling well".
NASA's Frank Rubio and Russia's Sergey Prokopyev and Dmitry Petelin made up the crew that launched from the Russia-leased Baikonur cosmodrome at 1354 GMT.
The three will spend six months on the ISS along with three other Russian cosmonauts, three other US astronauts and one Italian.
Rubio is the first US astronaut to travel to the ISS on a Russian Soyuz rocket since President Vladimir Putin sent troops into pro-Western Ukraine on February 24.
In response, Western capitals including Washington have hit Moscow with unprecedented sanctions and bilateral ties have sunk to new lows.
Space is one of the last remaining areas of cooperation between the two countries.
Russia's only active female cosmonaut, Anna Kikina, is expected to travel to the orbital station in early October aboard a SpaceX Crew Dragon.
She will become only the fifth professional woman cosmonaut from Russia or the Soviet Union to go into space, and the first Russian to fly aboard a spacecraft of SpaceX, the company of billionaire Elon Musk.
Russian cosmonauts and Western astronauts have sought to steer clear of the conflict that is raging back on Earth, especially when in orbit together.
A collaboration among the United States, Canada, Japan, the European Space Agency and Russia, the ISS is split into two sections: the US Orbital Segment and the Russian Orbital Segment.
- Russia leaving ISS -
At present, the ISS depends on a Russian propulsion system to maintain its orbit, about 250 miles (400 kilometres) above sea level, with the US segment responsible for electricity and life support systems.
Tensions in the space field have grown since Washington announced sanctions on Moscow's aerospace industry -- triggering warnings from Russia's former space chief Dmitry Rogozin, an ardent supporter of the Ukraine war.
Rogozin's recently appointed successor Yuri Borisov later confirmed Russia's long-mooted move to leave the ISS after 2024 in favour of creating its own orbital station.
US space agency NASA called the decision an "unfortunate development" that would hinder scientific work on the ISS.
Space analysts say construction of a new orbital station could take more than a decade, and Russia's space industry -- a point of national pride -- would not be able to flourish under heavy sanctions.
The ISS was launched in 1998 at a time of hope for US-Russia cooperation following their Space Race competition during the Cold War.
During that era, the Soviet space programme boomed. It boasted a number of accomplishments that included sending the first man into space in 1961 and launching the first satellite four years earlier.
Experts say Roscosmos is now a shadow of its former self and has in recent years suffered a series of setbacks, including corruption scandals and the loss of a number of satellites and other spacecraft.
Russia's years-long monopoly on manned flights to the ISS is also gone, to SpaceX, along with millions of dollars in revenue.
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Quite a bit of back tracking on the Russian side of the station since its not doing well with its Chinese connection...
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Satellite destroyed in a Russian anti-satellite weapon test in 2021, resulting in space debris in orbits between 300 and 1,100 km (190 and 680 mi) above the Earth
Sergei Lavrov, stated that there was no risk to the ISS or other peaceful uses of space. Sergei Shoigu, the Russian minister of defence, acknowledged that the destruction of the satellite was due to a Russian missile test, but argued that it posed no threat to any space activities. NASA administrator Bill Nelson stated that: "With its long and storied history in human spaceflight, it is unthinkable that Russia would endanger not only the American and international partner astronauts on the ISS, but also their own cosmonauts", and the 'actions are reckless and dangerous, threatening as well as the Chinese space station'
Космос-1408
COSMOS 1408 ASAT OBJECTS
https://twitter.com/jremis/status/1573633417606037504
September 24, 2022
1785 objects cataloged
1215 decayed
570 still in orbit
522 due to decay within 1000 days
Decay dates predicted with SATEVO
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SpaceX Crew-5 is the fifth crewed operational NASA Commercial Crew Program flight of a Crew Dragon spacecraft, and the eighth overall crewed orbital flight. The mission launched on 5 October 2022 and is transporting four crew members to the International Space Station (ISS). Two NASA astronauts, one JAXA astronaut, and one Russian cosmonaut are participating in the mission. Three of the crew members were assigned following delays to Boeing's Starliner program. Commander Nicole Mann was reassigned to the flight from Boeing's Boe-CFT mission, while Pilot Josh Cassada and Mission Specialist Koichi Wakata transferred from Boeing Starliner-1. Anna Kikina was reassigned from Soyuz MS-22. Three of the four crew members are making their first space flight while Wakata is a veteran of four previous space flights.
https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa … w-missions
JAXA astronaut Koichi Wakata is a veteran of four NASA Space Shuttle missions, a Russian Soyuz mission, and a long-duration stay on the International Space Station. He took a doll / robot on the ISS in 2013 the robot's capabilities included voice and speech recognition, natural language processing, speech synthesis and telecommunications, as well as facial recognition and video recording. The Robots name "kirobo" itself was portmanteau is a linguistic word blend device 希望 which means "hope" in Japanese, and the word "robo" ロボ, used as a generic short Japan word for any robot. He has posted updates on his twitter social media on current missions.
https://twitter.com/Astro_Wakata
Nicole "Duke" Victoria Aunapu Mann is an American test pilot and NASA astronaut, she has featured in news reports before this flight and got media attention as the first Native American woman in Space.
Josh Aaron Cassada is an American physicist, test pilot, and NASA astronaut. Prior to his selection to join NASA in 2013, Cassada served as a test pilot in the US Navy.
Anna Yuryevna Kikina is a Russian engineer and test cosmonaut, selected in 2012. She is the only woman cosmonaut currently in active service at Roscosmos.
https://twitter.com/jaxa_wdc/status/1447753014777810947
Crew Dragon spacecraft, named Endurance, has successfully separated from the Falcon 9 rocket’s second stage and now is flying on its own.
https://twitter.com/Commercial_Crew/sta … 8994693120
'Dragon has separated from Falcon 9’s second stage'
https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/1577693620974473216
'The zero-gravity indicator for the Crew5 mission is revealed to be a toy Einstein.'
https://twitter.com/NASA/status/1577700308859379713
Nine Merlin engines pushing Falcon off the pad to deliver Dragon and its Crew of of four- Nicole, Josh, Kiochi and Anna to the International Space Station.
https://twitter.com/julia_bergeron/stat … 1609722885
Less than a day later, the Airmen and Guardians of SLD 45 are back at it and supported the Crew-5 mission. Safe travels to all those on the Crew-5 mission, and a big thank you to everyone who makes it possible to SetThePaceForSpace from AATS and the Eastern Range.
https://twitter.com/sldelta45/status/15 … 1051533313
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Roscosmos Seeks To Mend International Fences as Crew-5 Heads to ISS
https://spacepolicyonline.com/news/rosc … ds-to-iss/
In July, Russia summarily terminated Dmitry Rogozin’s tenure as the head of its space agency, Roscosmos. His successor, Yuri Borisov, is sounding a much more reasonable tone than the bombastic Rogozin. Today the head of Roscosmos’s human spaceflight program, Sergei Krikalev, told U.S. reporters they are trying to repair Rogozin’s damage to international space relationships. A veteran cosmonaut well known to NASA and the international space community, Krikalev was at NASA’s Kennedy Space Center for the launch of Crew-5, which includes the first Russian on a U.S. spacecraft in 20 years.
Roscosmos official supports continued cooperation with NASA on ISS
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Four New Members Get up to Speed With Station Life
https://blogs.nasa.gov/crew-5/2022/10/0 … tion-life/
The four Crew-5 members are now officially Expedition 68 flight engineers and will spend the next few days getting used to life on orbit and familiarizing themselves with space station systems. NASA astronauts Nicole Mann and Josh Cassada, along with Koichi Wakata of the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) and Anna Kikina of Roscosmos, have a long list of space experiments they will conduct during their stay on the orbital lab.
The commercial crew quartet will study microgravity’s affects on the cardiorespiratory system, modeling heart tissue to improve therapies for spaceflight-caused health issues, and the 3D bioprinting of human organs and tissues for implantation, among multiple other types of research.
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