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#26 2021-12-30 10:45:16

tahanson43206
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Re: Clark postings

For SpaceNut re #25

I have not read the topic so this reply is specific to your assertion.

If you have patience, I'll try to draw you into a more nuanced policy.  If you (or any other human) attempts to go through life without judging others, you will quickly become a victim of those who would prey on the naive and and blindly trusting.

It seems to me that we ** must ** judge and categorize the world around us.  We need to determine within seconds (upon occasion) whether a person is a threat or not.  I've had this happen to me, and fortunately nothing happened out of the ordinary, but in that instant, I had to be prepared to take serious action if it had been necessary.

I would have used the word "potential threat" for the individual(s) in that set of cases, and revised the label downward as I learned more.

The label "poor" can be worn with pride, if the individual to whom it applies is successful in later life.

Abraham Lincoln would have worn the label "poor" in his early years.  I don't think he would have cared much if a peer had applied that label. It would have been true, so there wouldn't have been much to argue about.

Very recently, another politician expired.  The reviews of his life always start with his having been born into extreme poverty.  The level of poverty was so great that I would imagine most humans alive today (at least in the US) cannot imagine it, but it happened only 80 years ago (or so) in this very same country.

If you have time to think further about your proposed policy, I hope you will adjust it to match the real world, in which judgement and labels are required.

{Putting labels on people is wrong}

I believe that statement cannot withstand your closer inspection.

Please give it a try.

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#27 2021-12-30 10:49:51

Calliban
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Re: Clark postings

Clark, I am an English man concerned that his ethnic homeland, where his ancestors have lived since it was freed from the ice sheets, is being robbed from his children.  I see the same thing happening to European people's elsewhere and speak out against it.  You narrow mindedly accuse me of 'bigotry' a word that I doubt you even understand the meaning of.  My ancestors and ethnic kinsmen wrote the US constitution to protect your freedom from exactly the sort of oppression that I see in Britain today and that you would happily see imposed on this board.  You have demonstrated no contribution to this board other than to attack others with insults and slurs.  Nothing of technical value so far.  Are you going to offer something up at some point?  If slurs is really all you are about, then feel free to shuffle off and troll somewhere else.

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"Plan and prepare for every possibility, and you will never act. It is nobler to have courage as we stumble into half the things we fear than to analyse every possible obstacle and begin nothing. Great things are achieved by embracing great dangers."

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#28 2021-12-30 11:04:52

SpaceNut
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Re: Clark postings

Judgement is an internal process of ones opinion (which include racism and others) and it needs not be expressed as a label.
Its that verbal expression of the label that is the issue coming from judgement that is the issue.
Its the physical reaction to that judgement that also is a condition of placing a label as to what you do not know about that individual.
Its that reaction to judgement that a cop and a colored person does whether a crime has been done in the past or currently which is the reaction to a given profiling.

Yes I am poor and that is a matter of numbers not of my abilities to provide for family. Its a matter of numbers to be supported from my wage earning capability. When you take the hourly rate and divide it by the members and its equal to or less than the minimum you are poor.

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I see caliban's post now above mine and the issue is that they do not assimilate to the existing culture that they are forcing there's on those which have lived there instead. If they want there nation send them back...for those that want the nation that they have moved to then be apart of it and learn of it.
Its just one of the reasons for the citizenship test to become part of a nation and to have the rights that go with it. If they can not do it then they do not belong.

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#29 2021-12-30 15:18:03

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An Englishman lecturing an American on American history, and taking hereditary credit for American democracy. Brilliant. "Thanks gunvn'a". I'll just review a couple hundred years of post-colonialist history and attribute slavery, genocide, and every other form of atrocity to the English if this is how you want to take credit. I wonder how the Irish and Scots view your "concern for ethnic homeland"? And which ethnic ice age stock do you hale from by the way? Saxon, Norman, French, German, Roman, Viking? Should we just settle on being transparent and state out loud what you really mean? You are a white anglo-saxon man who speaks english and is concerned that people that don't look like you or talk like you are increasing in numbers and you feel personally threatened because they don't look like you and they don't talk like you.

I understand the word bigotry in word and deed, and am merely pointing out your own. If this offends you, take an opportunity to self reflect and either accept what you are or work on changing your way of thinking.

Thanks for evaluating my contribution to this board. Your opinion matters here as much as it does in the north of England. Cheerio and pip-pip!

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