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#1 2017-01-04 14:10:48

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Psyche and Lucy Missions

http://www.space.com/35220-psyche-and-l … video.html

Lucy to Trojan asteroids of Jupiter.

Phyche to a metal asteroid.

It will be a while before they are launched, and arrive, but really some good missions I think.

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#2 2019-01-24 18:49:05

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Re: Psyche and Lucy Missions

Lucy has 1000 days to launch day

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Over its 4156 day mission, Lucy will study six of these fascinating worlds. Lucy's launch period opens on October 16, 2021 - 1000 days from today. The spacecraft body will be built in less than 400 days, and in less than 600 days all of the instruments and different components of the spacecraft will be built and the full spacecraft will be assembled. After rigorous testing at Lockheed Martin, in approximately 900 days the spacecraft will be sent to Kennedy Space Center for launch preparations.

Then begins the longest part of the spacecraft's journey. It will be 6 years, or almost 2300 days, before Lucy reaches its first target, the Main Belt asteroid Donaldjohanson, named for one of the co-discoverers of the Lucy fossil.

Then it will be over 3000 days before Lucy reaches its first Trojan asteroid, Eurybates. And Lucy will continue its tour of the Trojan Asteroids, encountering 3 more Trojans, before it flies by the final pair, Patroclus and Menoetius in 2033, over 5000 days from now.

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#3 2019-06-21 11:28:22

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I was looking at Vesta, discovered that it has hydrated minerals.

However, it may be as well, that 16 Psyche, the ~90% metal asteroid could also have this.  The notion is that at some point, a sort of "Snow" of carbonaceous materials may have impacted these, some of the small objects being of a relatively slow impact and collection.

And I looked at this for Starship, sort of from Elon Musk.  I think until we might learn otherwise, I prefer 16 Psyche over Vesta.

https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-starsh … stem-tour/

In this PDF, is speculation on, magnetic fields for 16 Psyche.
https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2018/pdf/1398.pdf

In exploring outward, I suppose it does not hurt to think on where the "Hot Spots" could be for a solar civilization.  This could also be a eventual point of convergence for the visions of some of the private space transport companies.  That could be good.

Of course to get things to Earth, I guess the Moon and NEO's are a first look.

And of course Mars/Phobos/Demos, are a great attraction.

In his book "The Case For Space", Dr. Robert Zubrin, indicates that a tether for Phobos could do some very interesting things, among them assist in connection with the main asteroid belt, which of course could be on the way to the outer planets.

It is debatable, as to if 16 Psyche, could be a source of mined materials for Earth.  It's relatively remote location being against it, and and also, the potential that the Moon and NEO's could be lower hanging fruit.

So, I will speculate on it's potential for humans in it's own Realm.

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I was looking at Vesta in preference to Ceres, because I wanted the best small almost whole world where you might extract needed materials, and have space towers, space elevators, ect.

16 Psyche looks better to me now.

The potential of a magnetic field seems quite interesting per radiation protection potential, and maybe power generation per the solar wind.

The Mond process should be very usable there, many places may not have much overburden, but it currently is thought that ~!0% of the materials are not metallic, and some contain hydrated minerals from slow small impactors, Carbon and Nitrogen might be available.  And I presume that small asteroids near by, or passing by, could supply what else is needed over time.

It could be a great place to pioneer, things like space towers, and space elevators.

I also think orbital habitats.

I also am thinking about a giant faraday cage.  The notion is to harvest electrical energy from the solar wind.  But we will want to know about the native magnetic field.

That world is not impossible for solar photon power either. 

So, potentially an energy hot spot in the asteroid belt, potentially with lots of Metals, and perhaps enough of what else is needed.

Perhaps eventually a giant faraday cage "Shell" around it, expandable in size I presume.  A cage to which could be anchored various things such as space towers to the surface, and space elevators inside and outside as well.  And I presume a whole lot of O'Neil type stuff.

Seems like worth looking at.

And there are chances that a probe will go to it, I think by 2026.  I could still have good chances of seeing that happen.

Done.

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#4 2019-06-21 16:20:38

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#5 2020-02-28 18:14:55

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Re: Psyche and Lucy Missions

Here is the one

tahanson43206 wrote:

For Calliban ... the story at the link below seems right for the topic:

https://techcrunch.com/2020/02/28/space … -asteroid/

The asteroid is between Mars and Jupiter.

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#6 2020-08-06 08:20:23

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Here is an update on Lucy, with details of instruments on board, as well as plans for navigation.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nasa-study-a … 00449.html

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#7 2020-08-06 13:50:27

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_Program

16 Psyche is a massive asteroid that is particularly interesting due to its metallic composition, which has caused some people to speculate about its potential value. In fact, due to all the metal it contains, some are reporting that it could be worth up to $700 quintillion .

Unlike most other asteroids that are rocky or icy bodies, scientists think the M-type (metallic) asteroid 16 Psyche is comprised mostly of metallic iron and nickel similar to Earth’s core. Scientists have suggested that the asteroid 16 Psyche could be the exposed core of a primordial Mars-sized planet that lost its outer rocky layers in a series of collisions billions of years ago.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technolo … r-BB10xeHQ

If all goes according to plan, Psyche will launch atop a SpaceX Falcon Heavy rocket in August 2022, perform a gravity-assist flyby of Mars in May 2023 and arrive in orbit around 16 Psyche in 2026.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psyche_(spacecraft)

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Of course there is a lot of science to be gained from the visit but again after its a material resource for on mars orbiting construction of a ring of metals to aid in mars field generation.

https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/missions/psyche/

Now for Lucy as it will be the first space mission to study Jupiter's Trojan asteroids. The Trojans may be remnants of the primordial material that formed the outer planets, and serve as time capsules from the birth of our solar system more than 4 billion years ago.

http://lucy.swri.edu/LucyAmbassadors.html

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#8 2020-08-29 17:26:16

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#9 2021-02-04 21:12:08

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NASA's Psyche mission moves forward, passing key milestone

Psyche won clearance to progress into what NASA calls Phase D of its life cycle - the final phase of operations prior to its scheduled launch in August 2022. Psyche is largely iron and nickel and could be the heart of an early planet that lost its outer layers. Exploring the asteroid Psyche (about 140 miles, or 226 kilometers, wide) could lend valuable insight into how Earth and other planets formed.

The Psyche spacecraft will use a magnetometer to detect a potential magnetic field; if the asteroid has one, it's a strong indicator that it once was the core of an early planet. By spring of 2022, the spacecraft will be fully assembled and ready to ship to NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Cape Canaveral, Florida, where it will launch in August 2022. Psyche will fly by Mars for a gravity assist in May 2023. And in early 2026, it will slip into orbit around the asteroid, where it will spend 21 months gathering data for analysis.

https://www.nasa.gov/psyche

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#10 2021-03-30 17:46:26

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#11 2021-09-28 17:55:03

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NASA is poised to send its first spacecraft to study Jupiter's Trojan asteroids to glean new insights into the solar system's formation 4.5 billion years ago,

The probe, called Lucy after an ancient fossil that provided insights into the evolution of human species, will launch on October 16 from Cape Canaveral Space Force Station in Florida.

After receiving boosts from Earth's gravity, Lucy will embark on a 12-year journey to eight different asteroids —- one in the Main Belt between Mars and Jupiter and then seven Trojans.

Lucy will fly by its target objects within 250 miles (400 kilometers) of their surfaces, and use its onboard instruments and large antenna to investigate their geology, including composition, mass, density and volume.

Not sure when the first contact will happen..but 12 years is a long time to update this topic for discoveries.

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#12 2021-10-14 20:52:39

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NASA's $981 MILLION Lucy asteroid mission will launch this weekend starting a 12 year journey through the solar system that will include a swing-by of eight different asteroids.

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#13 2021-10-15 09:30:48

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With 700 quintillion dollars on the line over a single space rock, you'd think some group of entrepreneurs would be all over this like flies on a cow patty.  Even if it was only 1 quintillion dollars, that's more money than the entire global economy and there's a functionally limitless supply of material where that came from.  A trillion dollars is 10^12.  A quintillion is 10^18.  We could entirely wipe out all global debt using the profits secured from 1 silly little asteroid.  We could then focus on more pressing matters, like exploring our solar system and getting enough people off our little space rock to assure the long-term survival of humanity.

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#14 2021-10-16 20:34:33

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The Beatles Song sends the NASA's asteroid hunter Lucy soars into sky with diamonds

That discovery got its name from the 1967 Beatles song “Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds,” prompting NASA to send the spacecraft soaring with band members' lyrics and other luminaries’ words of wisdom imprinted on a plaque. The spacecraft also carried a disc made of lab-grown diamonds for one of its science instruments.

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#15 2021-10-17 19:49:29

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Report about a Solar Array problem sad

Hope they fix it or if not 'fixed' the mission can limp on and give good results without the full solarpower system

'NASA investigating issue with Lucy solar array'
https://spacenews.com/nasa-investigatin … lar-array/

Engineers are investigating why one of the two solar arrays on NASA’s Lucy spacecraft may have failed to lock into place when deployed after launch Oct. 16.

In an Oct. 17 statement, NASA said that while the spacecraft is healthy, one of the two circular solar panels “may not be fully latched” after its deployment. The solar arrays deployed in the first half-hour after separation from the Centaur upper stage of the Atlas 5 rocket that launched it early Oct. 16.

Both solar panels are generating power, the agency stated, and there are no other problems with the spacecraft. “In the current spacecraft attitude, Lucy can continue to operate with no threat to its health and safety,” NASA said in the statement. “The team is analyzing spacecraft data to understand the situation and determine next steps to achieve full deployment of the solar array.”

It’s unclear if the problem will affect other work to check out the spacecraft after its launch. That includes deployment of the instrument pointing platform, on which the three major instruments are mounted, which is scheduled for about two days after launch.

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