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#51 2021-08-08 14:48:15

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Re: CDC director warns of a ‘pandemic of the unvaccinated.’

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#52 2021-08-08 16:34:14

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Re: CDC director warns of a ‘pandemic of the unvaccinated.’

Iceland is 93% vaccinated. It is also experiencing its worst ever Covid rise at the moment...

https://twitter.com/eliaseythorsson/sta … 2195023878

If that doesn't give the vaxo-crazies pause for thought, I don't know what will.


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#53 2021-08-08 16:44:30

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Re: CDC director warns of a ‘pandemic of the unvaccinated.’

Louis,

This is from the same Twitter user:

On the bright side, a much larger proportion of those infected have minimal or no symptoms, and fewer patients with Covid-19 are being admitted.

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#54 2021-08-08 18:21:08

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Re: CDC director warns of a ‘pandemic of the unvaccinated.’

Yep, that's what happens in a pandemic. The virus becomes more infectious and less lethal. Standard virology. Nothing to do with vaccination.

kbd512 wrote:

Louis,

This is from the same Twitter user:

On the bright side, a much larger proportion of those infected have minimal or no symptoms, and fewer patients with Covid-19 are being admitted.

Last edited by louis (2021-08-08 18:24:37)


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#55 2021-08-08 18:46:54

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Re: CDC director warns of a ‘pandemic of the unvaccinated.’

Let's all "follow the science" here:

Forbes - JUST IN: House Republicans Hold Hearing On COVID-19 Origin, Explore Lab-Leak Theory | FULL

A prediction was made that COVID-19 viruses would show up in human blood samples collected in Wuhan, China, from up to a year before the initial outbreak in Wuhan, but of the 10,000 human blood samples tested for COVID from residents living near the Wuhan Institute of Virology, precisely zero tested positive for COVID-19 prior to the initial outbreak.  The Chinese government then tested tens of thousands of blood and tissue samples from a myriad of animal species (approximately 80,000 animals were tested during their investigation, but zero had COVID), and not just in Wuhan, but across the entirety of China, along with many more tens of thousands of samples of food.  They were unable to identify a single sample containing COVID-19 prior to the last quarter of 2019.  None other than Dr. Shi, both China's and the world's foremost expert in corona viruses, was involved in the testing of samples associated with the Chinese government's investigation into the origins of COVID-19.

COVID-19 contains a specific genetic sequence not seen in any corona virus for more than 1,000 years, as well as all gain-of-function studies conducted by bio labs for the expressly stated purpose of making all types of viruses more transmissible between humans.  One of the doctors on the panel also testified to the fact that intentions behind genetically altering viruses don't matter if the genetically modified virus then escapes from the lab and becomes a de-facto biological weapon.

One of the doctors present testified to the fact that when he attempted to solicit help from his colleagues at NIH and national labs, in order to trace the origin of COVID-19 back to the root vector animal (he also believed that COVID-19 had a zoonotic origin at the time), that they refused, "because doing so would help to reelect President Trump".  In short, one reason for not determining the origins of COVID sooner had nothing at all to do with "following the science", but everything to do with the personal politics of the medical researchers involved.

Another of the doctors providing testimony testified to the fact that other virologists working for private biotech labs refused to help him trace the origins of COVID-19 because doing so would cause them to be labeled as "enemies of China".

Science may be science, irrespective of politics, but many scientists clearly have political or monetary-related motivations behind their actions that have nothing to do with science.

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#56 2021-08-08 18:56:58

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Re: CDC director warns of a ‘pandemic of the unvaccinated.’

Louis,

louis wrote:

Yep, that's what happens in a pandemic. The virus becomes more infectious and less lethal. Standard virology. Nothing to do with vaccination.

So the fact that fewer people who took the vaccine are subsequently admitted to hospitals for respiratory distress if they still manage to become infected with COVID-19, as compared to those who have not taken one of the vaccines, means what, exactly, to you?

Does the fact that COVID-19 is a de-facto bio weapon cooked up in a lab in Wuhan, China, not change anything about how you view getting a vaccine against it?

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#57 2021-08-08 19:51:58

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Re: CDC director warns of a ‘pandemic of the unvaccinated.’

Louis,

My overriding point is that COVID-19 very much appears to be a self-inflicted wound, and a more striking failure of the broader scientific community to act in a manner commensurate with due regard for human life.  If COVID is with us forever now, because we fail to act appropriately to eradicate it, can you imagine how destructive it will be over time?  Even if COVID-19 ultimately becomes only as lethal as influenza, the money spent to combat it, as well as the human suffering associated with it, won't be worth it.

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#58 2021-08-08 19:58:47

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Re: CDC director warns of a ‘pandemic of the unvaccinated.’

Lets put some number to the virology

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03284-3
How Iceland hammered COVID with science

two rounds of testing, the researchers found that lockdown and isolation reduced transmission by 98%, and — in line with Iceland’s results — that 43% of the infections across the two tests were asymptomatic

screened more than half of the island’s 368,000 residents for infection.

estimated 3.4% of people infected with SARS-CoV-2 would die

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_ … in_Iceland

The virus was confirmed to have reached Iceland in February 2020. As of 7 August 2021, the total number of cases registered was 8,793, of which 7,383 had recovered and 30 deaths had occurred.[1] With a total population of 368,590 (as of 31 December 2020),[2] the infection rate is 1 case per 61 inhabitants;

https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coro … s/iceland/

https://www.reuters.com/article/factche … SL1N2P918F

“In Iceland, 85.3% of people over 16 years old are now fully vaccinated against COVID-19 and 4.9% are partially vaccinated.

herd immunity happens when you catch the virus but do not die or you are vaccinated and do not die even if you do catch it.

Iceland is a nation that did not see its population catch the virus so being vaccinated is why we see that the second scenario is playing out instead of the first... Where we have the large numbers in the hospitals on ventilators but rather a much small group which will survive.

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#59 2021-08-09 07:15:08

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Re: CDC director warns of a ‘pandemic of the unvaccinated.’

Nice to hear a doc telling it like it is, rather than how Big Pharma pretends it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUPD0W71iMc


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#60 2021-08-09 07:19:50

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Re: CDC director warns of a ‘pandemic of the unvaccinated.’

That article was from November 2020. Back in 2020 there were articles praising countries like Poland, Czech Republic, Israel and so on...they all had huge rises in Covid subsequently. Of all the countries in the world, Iceland with its genetically very homogenous and small population located on an island well away from other population centres must be the easiest in the world to stop Covid...but they haven't. Appeals to "what might have happened if x hadn't been implemented" is special pleading, not fact. I'd like to know what would have happened if we'd had no lockdowns and no vaccination programmes. I think Covid might be a receding episode by now. That's not a fact, that's an opinion about what might have happened.

SpaceNut wrote:

Lets put some number to the virology

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03284-3
How Iceland hammered COVID with science

two rounds of testing, the researchers found that lockdown and isolation reduced transmission by 98%, and — in line with Iceland’s results — that 43% of the infections across the two tests were asymptomatic

screened more than half of the island’s 368,000 residents for infection.

estimated 3.4% of people infected with SARS-CoV-2 would die

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_ … in_Iceland

The virus was confirmed to have reached Iceland in February 2020. As of 7 August 2021, the total number of cases registered was 8,793, of which 7,383 had recovered and 30 deaths had occurred.[1] With a total population of 368,590 (as of 31 December 2020),[2] the infection rate is 1 case per 61 inhabitants;

https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coro … s/iceland/

https://www.reuters.com/article/factche … SL1N2P918F

“In Iceland, 85.3% of people over 16 years old are now fully vaccinated against COVID-19 and 4.9% are partially vaccinated.

herd immunity happens when you catch the virus but do not die or you are vaccinated and do not die even if you do catch it.

Iceland is a nation that did not see its population catch the virus so being vaccinated is why we see that the second scenario is playing out instead of the first... Where we have the large numbers in the hospitals on ventilators but rather a much small group which will survive.


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#61 2021-08-09 18:48:41

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#62 2021-08-09 19:12:34

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Re: CDC director warns of a ‘pandemic of the unvaccinated.’

Louis,

From the same Twitter thread (or whatever they're called):

Share of Overall COVID-19 Deaths by Those Fully Vaccinated v. Those Not Fully Vaccinated Among Reporting States

I may only be a po dumb southerner, but that graph don't look so hot for them fellers without a vaccine.

... But countries, as a matter of public health policy, intentionally spreading this disease amongst those who are not vaccinated against this nasty little Chinese bio weapon (brought to you through the charitable contributions of the American tax payers)?

Yikes!

I sincerely hope that all goes well for the people of Iceland, but intentionally spreading a lethal disease has to be about the worst idea I've heard of.

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#63 2021-08-09 19:26:05

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#64 2021-08-13 03:01:39

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Re: CDC director warns of a ‘pandemic of the unvaccinated.’


Interested in space science, engineering and technology.

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#65 2021-08-13 19:05:12

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Re: CDC director warns of a ‘pandemic of the unvaccinated.’

I could say I told you so but what would be the point 27 people aboard Carnival cruise test positive for COVID-19

A Southwest Airlines flight attendant died from COVID-19 less than 2 months after testing positive, following a trip to Hawaii,


The again what would you expect from the no mandate governor and anti vax propaganda Broward County, Florida: 4 educators died within about 24 hours from Covid-19 complications

Where politics meets reality DeSantis, faced with covid surge, urges Floridians to use Regeneron antibody treatment given to Trump

The antibody treatment, a cocktail of the monoclonal antibodies casirivimab and imdevimab that is made by Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, is designed to prevent infected people from developing severe illness.

DeSantis’s promotion of Regeneron, which imitates the body’s natural defenses, is the governor’s latest response to a pandemic in which he has rejected mask mandates and restrictions.

The Trump administration last year initially bought 300,000 doses of Regeneron’s monoclonal antibody treatment, which cost about $1,500 per dose at the time.

The Food and Drug Administration granted emergency authorization to Regeneron in November, saying that the treatment may be effective in treating mild to moderate covid in adults and children 12 or older, and is recommended for those at high risk of developing severe illness.

The FDA expanded Regeneron’s emergency authorized use last month, enabling the treatment for people exposed to someone who has been infected or for those at high risk of exposure in settings such as prisons or nursing homes.

Other drugs come to mind that are already being given with the same approvals at the hospitals. As far as I know none prevent but give better odds for not dieing from the virus.


Another Texas judge temporarily blocks Gov. Abbott's order banning local governments from mandating masks


FDA authorizes COVID-19 vaccine boosters for the immunocompromised

Seems the variant D is able to attack the younger age groups virus-claims-more-young-victims-as-deaths-climb-yet-again


Texas Judge Says There Are No Kid ICU Beds: Have To ‘Wait For Another Child To Die'

Another fact that is playing out in many hospital is so overwhelmed with COVID-19 cases that a man shot six times has waited a week for surgery

Something else in the told you so category fake vaxx card,
US border agents in Tennessee have seized thousands of counterfeit Covid-19 vaccination cards

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Florida records a thousand covid deaths in a week and a 151,000

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Mounting lawsuits, federal government challenge DeSantis, Abbott bans on mask mandates

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#66 2021-08-15 15:23:46

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Re: CDC director warns of a ‘pandemic of the unvaccinated.’

Here is another push cured but its not
Is ivermectin a treatment for COVID-19? What you should know about this controversial drug

Ivermectin, an anti-parasitic, was administered to some patients across the globe, with seemingly positive effects.
Ivermectin is usually given to treat parasitic infections like lice and Strongyloides, according to Eachempati.
It did say lab tests found the drug stopped the reproduction of the SARS-CoV-2 virus that cause the disease.
However, to be effective, the dosages would need to be "100-fold higher than those approved for use in humans."


So its a poison that kills anything in your system which now allows the white cells to work against the virus and not the parasite which is why it had a plasebo effect....as well as not safe for you to take in quantity to kill covid

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#67 2021-08-15 15:27:25

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Re: CDC director warns of a ‘pandemic of the unvaccinated.’

SpaceNut,

In every medicine, there's a little poison.

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#68 2021-08-15 16:20:57

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Re: CDC director warns of a ‘pandemic of the unvaccinated.’

Those "not fully vaccinated" includes those who have had one shot (which will have compromised their vaccination) and those who are so sick or frail that it is too dangerous for them to be vaccinated.

You need to compare healthy unvaccinated people with healthy vaccinated people and see who does better.

kbd512 wrote:

Louis,

From the same Twitter thread (or whatever they're called):

Share of Overall COVID-19 Deaths by Those Fully Vaccinated v. Those Not Fully Vaccinated Among Reporting States

I may only be a po dumb southerner, but that graph don't look so hot for them fellers without a vaccine.

... But countries, as a matter of public health policy, intentionally spreading this disease amongst those who are not vaccinated against this nasty little Chinese bio weapon (brought to you through the charitable contributions of the American tax payers)?

Yikes!

I sincerely hope that all goes well for the people of Iceland, but intentionally spreading a lethal disease has to be about the worst idea I've heard of.


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#69 2021-08-15 16:34:09

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Re: CDC director warns of a ‘pandemic of the unvaccinated.’

That's just a hit piece on Ivermectin.

A meta study showed it is effective.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AlexBerenson … 0012427266

It's basically for treating very sick people.

Big Pharma is interested only in making billions from patented products. Ivermectin is long out of patent. So Big Pharma has to kill Ivermectin as an effective part of treatment in order that its vaccines and anti-viral can prosper.

SpaceNut wrote:

Here is another push cured but its not
Is ivermectin a treatment for COVID-19? What you should know about this controversial drug

Ivermectin, an anti-parasitic, was administered to some patients across the globe, with seemingly positive effects.
Ivermectin is usually given to treat parasitic infections like lice and Strongyloides, according to Eachempati.
It did say lab tests found the drug stopped the reproduction of the SARS-CoV-2 virus that cause the disease.
However, to be effective, the dosages would need to be "100-fold higher than those approved for use in humans."


So its a poison that kills anything in your system which now allows the white cells to work against the virus and not the parasite which is why it had a plasebo effect....as well as not safe for you to take in quantity to kill covid


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#70 2021-08-15 17:08:06

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Re: CDC director warns of a ‘pandemic of the unvaccinated.’

So the fact that they are producing a vaccine and not making billions means they are selling salt water, right....

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#71 2021-08-15 17:43:38

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Re: CDC director warns of a ‘pandemic of the unvaccinated.’

??? They are making billions and stand to make trillions as more and more of these mRNA vaccines come on stream.

https://www.pmlive.com/pharma_news/mode … q2_1374425

$4.4 billion revenue in Q2. This is just going to rise and rise as boosters come into play and other mRNAs are developed for flu, bacterial pneumonia and so on.


SpaceNut wrote:

So the fact that they are producing a vaccine and not making billions means they are selling salt water, right....


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#73 2021-08-22 14:13:47

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Re: CDC director warns of a ‘pandemic of the unvaccinated.’

SpaceNut,

President Biden is President right now, not President Trump.  Vice President Harris said she wouldn't trust the vaccines because they were developed under President Trump.  Apparently her base agreed with her, since there are so many un-vaccinated minorities.  Stop trying to make this about someone who's not even running the country right now.  Since one of the people you voted for when President Biden was running said she didn't trust the vaccine and now she's Vice President, your fellow Democrats must agree with her since they voted for Biden / Harris.  Despite the fact that she promptly took the vaccine when offered, she lied to everyone on national television to score political brownie points.  She never came back to tell everyone she was simply lying to get votes, so maybe they believed her.  Now your politics are coming back around to bite all of us in the rear end.  Tell the politicians you like to vote for to stop pointing their rear ends into the wind and spraying everyone else with their brain diarrhea.

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#74 2021-08-22 17:30:56

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