Full home unfolds in 1-hour, kitchen & bathroom included

RobertDyck · 2021-07-01 17:04:25

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SpaceNut · 2021-07-01 17:23:43

So its a tiny home construction

The Boxabl Casita is a $49,000 home that begins as an easily-transportable 8-foot wide box and unfolds into 375-square-feet of living space.

15 minute video of a crane and fork lift unfolding and lifting parts into its resting place in an open parking lot and then repacked to bring to another site.

Sure those work for a solid footing to erect it on but what about a house lot....so the box needs site prep of septic, water and foundation as well as temp service power brought into your selected site.

Its a single room open concept....great starter

tahanson43206 · 2023-01-13 14:20:10

For SpaceNut .... I found this topic while searching for topics containing the word "kitchen"...

I'd like to encourage you and RobertDyck to develop this topic a bit ... you've pointing in the right direction, by suggesting developed land with all the amenities civilized folks expect. We have millions of folks in the US who might be candidates to live in a walkable community without automobiles, and there are places in the US where such a concept could be developed.

The key element to make such a concept practical would be a supply of reliable energy, such as from a Small Modular Reactor.

With sufficient energy, water can be desalinated, and then treated after use for re-use, as many times as needed.

With sufficient energy, home heating with electricity makes sense, along with all the usual home appliances one might expect.

It would seem to me like a good idea to build this development on a surface of land not likely to flood in the next 100 years, as the oceans rise.

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kbd512 · 2023-01-13 19:26:40

What is it made with that makes something that small cost $49,000?

Edit: In relative terms, that over-glorified tool shed is 42.5% more expensive, per square foot, than the custom-built home we live in.

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SpaceNut · 2023-01-14 10:04:26

Engineering and labor unions wanting to get paid for a cheap price of build materials. This is true for all manufactured items we buy a good example is the cost of a CD of music....
There are quite a few of these on Amazon for sale that are tiny homes for a single person or couple that can be found for way less. The big costs are the property, water supply, sewerage system and getting a Driveway permit.

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-01-14 10:30:16

a previous thread

Danish Origami Space Habitat
https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=9426

SpaceNut · 2023-01-14 10:35:45

Thanks Mars_B4_Moon, as I would not have thought about the search term that created the topic back in 2020-04-19 by tahanson43206 thou I would have found it with Tiny Homes...

RobertDyck · 2023-01-14 23:29:20

I have to point out that my house was purchased in Winnipeg Canada in October 1990, possession November 1, 1990. Price was $46,500. A neighbour laughed at me, said the previous owner paid $36k, and the owner before that paid $24k. If you apply inflation from 1990 to 2022 using a Canadian inflation calculator, that works out to $89,500. That calculator is on the Bank of Canada website, the Canadian equivalent to the Federal Reserve; I think they know what they're talking about. My house is 2 stories, 342 square feet measured from the outside of the stucco, if you ignore the chimney and the archway over the sidewalk, and the moulding around the front door. Two stories so 684 square feet total. That does not include the basement. My house has 2 bedrooms, and one bathroom. My bathroom has a bathtub and glass shower doors for the tub so I can take a shower.

My house has a part basement. The basement is large enough for the furnace, water heater, a full-size washer and dryer, and you can turn around. There's a dirt floor crawl space under the rest of the house.

Purchase price of my house included the land. My land is 25 feet wide by 107 feet deep. There is a sidewalk in front of my house; the sidewalk and boulevard are city property so my land does not include them. The boulevard is the narrow strip of grass between the sidewalk and the street. There's a back lane behind my house. My property has a single car garage, only 10 feet wide by 20 feet long. And a gravel parking space beside the garage for a second car. The neighbour's back yard to the east has a 6-foot fence. My house has a small section of fence attached to my house and connected to the neighbour's fence, so no one can enter my back yard on the east side of the house. The archway attached to my house is on the east side of the house. When I purchased the house there was a white picket fence from the archway to the property line (about 1 foot) then along the property line to the garage. While I've owned my house, the neighbour on the west side built a 6-foot fence around their back yard, replacing a section of my white picket fence. And the rest of my picket fence degraded so I replaced it with a 6-foot fence from my archway to the neighbour's 6-foot fence. So my back yard is enclosed by 6-foot fences. There's an opening from the gravel parking spot to my back yard.

Can you purchase all this today for $89,500 Canadian dollars?

tahanson43206 · 2023-01-15 20:36:36

For RobertDyck re topic ....

The house you showed us in Post #1 is interesting, and I would imagine it is worth every penny of the asking price of $50K (USD).

The greater expense is likely to be the land and city utilities.

Out of curiosity, since you've given us a glimpse of a lot in the city in Canada, can you (would you) look at your local real estate market to see if there is an improved lot in your area where such a house would be accepted by city/county code, and estimate the cost of the lot?

The value of a lot is greatly increased if it has water, sewer, electricity, communications (Internet), and most importantly, natural gas.

A decent garage would run $20,000 (USD) down here, so for under $100K (USD) a home owner would have a brand new home, a garage, and a bit of turf to enjoy.

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Assuming you don't read every message... the newest member offers an stl file of a lifting body ... see Housekeeping for my report. (th)
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kbd512 · 2023-01-15 21:37:28

RobertDyck,

My general question is about whether or not a 375 square foot insulated tool shed should cost $49,000. I'm not objecting to the tool shed style house. I've lived in steel boxes. They're actually pretty decent places to live when they have light, heat, and air conditioners. A tornado can throw 2x4s and small trees at them, but steel still wins that argument.

Terraformer · 2023-01-16 04:24:25

How much of it is space vs. fixed costs? A bathroom isn't going to scale down in cost with the size of the house, nor will a kitchen, and you're not going to get the plumbing and electricty installed any cheaper AFAIK just because the house is half the size.

tahanson43206 · 2023-01-16 07:35:21

For Terraformer re #11 .... I'd like to know why we have some members of this forum objecting to the profit motive for putting a small house on the market.

I'd like to know why someone objects to an investor taking the risk of creating a product before a single unit has sold earning a profit to pay back that investment?

I'd like to know why someone who objects to a reasonable profit by a vendor doesn't round up investors and produce the same product for less, and then hope there are buyers.

The only reasonable explanation I can think of is socialism, where a government entity creates a product and you takes it our you leaves it, and the profit goes into the pockets of the bureaucracy, ** and ** the product will cost more than is the case in a free and open market.

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tahanson43206 · 2023-01-16 08:10:50

For Terraformer ... I ran a quick Google search for 20x20 foot square garages.

Two baseline items showed up ... A kit is available of steel components, cut to size and pre-drilled, for about $6000 (USD)

The kit comes ready to set up on ground or gravel.

So that's the base.

The goal is to beat $50,000 (USD) with that footprint, and create a product with electricity, water, gas and communications, all appliances and built to meet code in an American city for occupancy.

If I understand the offer that RobertDyck found correctly, the "kit" for a home comes with setup included.

Presumably site preparation is NOT included ...

Taking site preparation into account, here is a partial list of contractor responsibilities ...

The floor needs to be a concrete slab, built with a foundation to meet code in the given location.

The price to be paid for labor needs to meet local requirements.

Labor specialties include:

Survey site...
Excavate foundation...
Provide concrete and other components...
Set concrete for foundation...
Set blocks to make foundation wall...
Set runs for water, sewer, electricity, communications ...
Pour concrete...
Build structure from kit...
Install appliances...
Perform interior touchup as needed
Note the presence of windows and doors to be tested and adjusted
Install water connections and perform checks.
Install sewer connections and perform checks.
Install electric service and perform checks.
Install communications services and perform checks.
Pay lawyers for contingency situations
Pay insurance costs for labor and other risks
Pay advertisers to find customers
Pay customer service personnel to achieve a sale
Pay costs of financing
Pay taxes on input items
And finally, look at your profit after all expenses have been accounted for.

Update later: I haven't considered all the subcontractors needed to provide the separate components that make up the kit.

How many of these do you have to sell before you pay back your investors, let alone make a profit for share holders?

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tahanson43206 · 2023-01-16 10:40:46

For Terraformer .... there is a much more reasonable explanation for the ridiculously low price of the house kit that RobertDyck found ...

The actual cost is millions of dollars, invested by a very large corporation to see if there is a mass market.

Their accountants would have chosen a price point as high as they thought the market would bear, to see if there ** is ** a market.

The first house actually installed would represent a loss of millions of (monetary units).

After the corporation had sold (and installed and received payment for) thousands of these units, they ** might ** recover their investment plus the expenses of running the program that long.

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tahanson43206 · 2023-01-16 10:48:57

For RobertDyck re the development of this topic ....

This topic has potential to extend to design of a housing complex similar to the famous Levittown project.

Here is a Google snippet ...

Levittown - US History Scene
ushistoryscene.com › article › levittown
AlamyConstruction of Levittown was famously quick: a home was built every 16 minutes. In 1947, entrepreneur Abraham Levitt and his two sons, William and ...

Since you are more familiar with Canada, is there a possibility that you (or another entrepreneur) could put together a project to house thousands?

Land? Canada has a lot of that.
Suitable land ... that's a different question !!!

Customers? Possibly ... I don't have the data to know one way or the other

Deep pockets investors? Probably, but would they want to tie up their funds for as long as this would take?

Using the model for a comfortable Canadian (city) home you provided as a starting point, what would it take to combine the benefits of mass production with the needs of the population, in a Levittown style community where people would want to live?

The modern (Internet) age provides an employment framework not available to previous generations...

Teleoperation is already a going business, and it's upside potential is in the trillions of (monetary units).

A community built to provide a safe and comfortable living space for thousands of teleoperations workers need not have automobiles on premise.

I seem to recall you (RobertDyck) have already spoken to that ... If I recall correctly, there exist already communities where cars are housed in garages outside the community environment.

Electric mini-buses could (and i'm sure would) provide transport for folks who do not want to walk to bike.

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SpaceNut · 2023-01-16 13:30:54

The big thing is if you are single and have not gotten a lot of sentimental items being carried around then it's a starter home for a period of time our retirement in later years.
Another term is sheds for these sorts of beginning structures with of course build or zoning laws to contend with the construction methods to ensure a safe building.
I have seen these as low as 3,000 to 24,000 depending on size 12x16 ft to 24 ft and features that they contain.
Here is what is available at lowes
Of course these need to contract inside insulating, wallboard, flooring, heat, plumbing and electrical to be done as well as either a crawl space or cellar.

Putting A Tiny House in A Backyard – 50 State Regulations

However, if the intention is to move into the tiny house, then local building regulations apply in most cases. The building regulations prescribe certain safety and building standards to ensure that the structures are safe to live in.
Do Tiny Houses Require Permits?
If you build a building below certain square footage you normally don’t need a building permit. As soon as you bring personal property into the building, your small house will be classified as a living space. This means that if you build a house that is intended for living in, you need a permit.

https://www.tinysociety.co/articles/tin … ed-states/

Building codes dictate that the minimum ceiling height must be 6 feet 8 inches. The ceiling for bathrooms must be a minimum of 6 feet and 4 inches. Building codes don’t regulate the number of windows you must-have, but your house must meet the number of emergency exits.

All 50 states have links here is NH the issue is that towns and cities can also require other actions for permit.

Some are trucked in like a prefab while others are built on site.

They can have solar hot water or PV panels depending on the location of the place you want it to be on.

Here is a his and her setup.

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