Ah yes, somebody brought up the china thing

oker56 · 2002-06-30 15:51:33

It looks like another space race could be heating up. China is looking to start a manned space program. Lot's of people were excited to here china might try to establish a moon base by 2010, only for some china officials to come out and say the moon was not quite what they have in mind anymore. Something telling me the same people that convinced their leaders space is the way to go found Zubrin's books, so now china is quietly going to mars?!

Phobos · 2002-06-30 17:37:12

China's having second thoughts about its moon ambitions? If they have I hope it is because they just want to skip ahead to Mars and forget the moon altogether. I get the feeling though that if they are backing off it probably means they've lost interest in going anywhere and will likely be stuck in the same LEO prison the rest of the world is, if they even intend to stay in space for anything other than military applications.
Oh well, I guess we should stay optimistic until we know for sure.

oker56 · 2002-06-30 20:45:30

I just checked around where I read about chinese heavy lift rockets. They aparently will only use twenty ton heavy lift rockets. Zubrin suggests forty ton rockets. Then again, maybe they are just going to do it differently.

Mark S · 2002-07-01 07:48:30

I had read that China was designing a rocket called "Type E" that could lift 70-80 tonnes to orbit or launch their Shenzhou lander on a course for the moon. Because the United States is so used to buying things made in China, NASA may as well buy the Type E instead of going ahead with the "Magnum" booster it's had on the drawing boards.

I haven't heard anything about China abandoning its lunar ambitions for a flight to Mars, but it would be neat to know that Zubrin's ideas may have changed the course of their space program.

oker56 · 2002-07-01 10:12:14

Well, that is exciting to hear. I'd love to know where you read that, but then again, I'd like to refind where I read the china no longer views the moon as the top priority; sure, they're interested, but it now seems they think the moon secondary for some reason.

oker56 · 2002-07-22 21:58:15

http://uplink.space.com/2....3089316

I forgot what amount of lift we needed for mars direct? I don't have access to my Zubrin book right now, sorry.

oker56 · 2002-07-22 21:59:24

read the stories linked to in the message thread that I've linked to in this thread.

Ad Astra · 2003-03-07 07:19:04

There is a military aspect to China's Shenzhou manned spacecraft, after all.

Right now, Shenzhou's military role is the benign one of reconnaissance. But the west should still be cautious at this time, because the overtly military nature of Shenzhou might be a harbinger of more aggressive plans for space. This recent development should not come as a surprise to anybody who's been following the Chinese space program.

dicktice · 2003-03-07 10:23:48

I have no doubt whatever, that the new China administration has its sights on the Moon. It's all been done before, so the first part is theirs for the taking, i.e. How to get there, and return. The supply and colonization parts already have been analyzed enough to show the way. No other nation can possibly prevent them from doing it, so?. It's a no-brainer!

Ad Astra · 2003-03-07 10:59:25

It's true that no nation can PREVENT China from returning to the moon; the question is whether anybody can BEAT them to it.

I, for one, would like to see another moon race, but I don;t think we will. The United States has no morale to boost or fanfare to be gained by returning to the moon. There are plenty of scientific and economic reasons to return, but that will be a private effort and not a NASA effort. Instead, China will have a man on the moon, and probably within the decade.

TJohn · 2003-03-07 14:10:02

It would be nice to go back to the moon, but let's get to Mars first! Although, I can see some people saying "been there, done that".

Ranger_2833 · 2003-03-07 15:06:10

Lot's of people were excited to here china might try to establish a moon base by 2010, only for some china officials to come out and say the moon was not quite what they have in mind anymore.

Not according to theor latests statements: Chinese Official releases Moon plans

According a leader at their equivalent of NASA, the Moon is top priority following LEO. It makes sense seeing as how a majority of Chinese space plans are based on the need for military supremacy. The Moon poses a more lucrative "high ground" than does Mars; and in China, what the military wants, it gets. But I see Mars as also being on their near term plans as well. A lot of their releases talk about the need for living space for humanity and the need to colonize to bring new resources to its industry. I just hope China keeps up its plans, because without that threat, the US is not very likely to go anywhere anytime soon. Space isn't a priority for congress (as it very much should be) but defense is.

dicktice · 2003-03-08 09:41:49

Ranger_2833: You are so-o-o right! China is playing right into our (space-buffs of the World) hands!

Mars_B4_Moon · 2021-06-20 11:45:59

Might bump this as a generic China thread away from the Rover topics

China wants to build a sustainable human presence on Mars. Here's how.
https://www.space.com/china-plans-mars- … astronauts

Effect of Microgravity on the Growth and Biofilm Production of Disease-Causing Bacteria
https://www.leonarddavid.com/experiment … e-station/
This is an experiment project in space life sciences and bio-technology. It was jointly applied and will be jointly implemented by the Mars Society – Peru Chapter, and the Mars Society – Spain Chapter.

anyone read Chinese?
https://twitter.com/SegerYu/status/1391 … 13/photo/4

Spent a few hours and roughly figured out what have we got inside China Space Station

Tiangong Core Module

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SpaceNut · 2021-06-20 16:04:35

My network fail 3 times in sending my post reply.

Seems capable for the task.

Mars_B4_Moon · 2021-06-28 00:08:09

Zhurong rover returns landing footage and sounds from Mars
https://spacenews.com/chinas-zhurong-ro … from-mars/

The Chinese manned missions? Sending the First Humans to Mars
https://interestingengineering.com/chin … -mars-2033

Some propellant transfer occurred before the launch of Shenzhou-12.
"Combined with Tianhe, Tianzhou-2 will replenish Tianhe's propellant and help test equipment for space application projects."
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2021-0 … 978564.htm

The "Tiangong" core module is equipped with 4 Hall electric propulsion engines
http://www.chinanews.com/gn/2021/06-21/9503717.shtml

'Le Chinarm'
https://twitter.com/Kaynouky/status/1406220956834713602

Sounds of Mars, audio recordings of Zhurong driving down the ramp.
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/ueCzF5pH6Y0kwEVwLRtfWA

China releases a video and images from its Zhurong Mars rover
https://yellowtelegraph.com/2021/06/27/ … ars-rover/

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-09-16 08:14:52

China reveals grand vision for space resource utilization

https://interestingengineering.com/inno … tilization

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-09-26 06:04:58

Prototype of lunar surface mobile system for ILRS.

https://twitter.com/CNSAWatcher/status/ … 9449348453

China's Deep Space Exploration Laboratory (DSEL) has signed an MoU with the National Astronomical Research Institute of Thailand (NARIT) on cooperation in the International Lunar Research Station (ILRS). Chang'e-7 payload cooperation also discussed

https://twitter.com/AJ_FI/status/1706550699650105821

Mars_B4_Moon · 2023-09-29 15:53:44

I didn't know Matthias Maurer 'astro_matthias' spoke Chinese, he was in Turkey. 'Association of Space Explorers' group , a lot of stuff in the presentation at ASE 34th Planetary Congress was already discussed or speculated in other newmars threads.

China's next lunar probe Chang'e-6 will be launched around 2024

https://english.news.cn/20230929/41e600 … 842/c.html

Chang'e-6 lunar probe will carry payloads from France, Italy, Pakistan and the European Space Agency, which include a negative ion detector and a radon gas detector.

CNSA updated Yutu-2 rover's driving trajectory on far side of the moon.

https://twitter.com/CNSpaceflight/statu … 3722463279

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