President Bush - Great pres or bad pres ?

dickbill · 2003-06-09 21:47:44

Well, as they say, shit happens. A highly ironic case in point was all that biological stuff that was found in Maryland... which went unreported.
Here's a link.

hmmm, I doubt about everything I read now. This is a very messy situation, when you see Colin Powell on the verge of the nerve crisis, when you see Bush saying that he is sure that Iraq had a "program" to build WMD ?? tomorow he'll say that he's sure that Iraq had "projects" to set up programs to build WMD ?? This is going down and fast.
We cannot have been bluffed at that point, It's not possible.

Bush said the world is more peaceful now. It depends what you call peace. Recently, a school of french kids have been de-invited to visit the US with their english professor because of (I cite the Washingtontimes) "too strong anti french sentiment" in the local US population and fear that the kids would had an "unwelcomed" trip.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/world/20 … -6329r.htm

Well, I'm french, but I don't worry to much. In New York at least, the city of Sept. 11, people are not afraid of french kids.

Palomar · 2003-06-10 07:16:54

dickbill: "Bush said the world is more peaceful now."

*Oh, hahahaha! I needed a good laugh this morning! My, my...WHAT arrogance, to think most people are really so stupid as to believe that.

dicbill: "It depends what you call peace."

*Indeed! I'd like to know Bush's definition of it.

dickbill: "Recently, a school of french kids have been de-invited to visit the US with their english professor because of (I cite the Washingtontimes) "too strong anti french sentiment" in the local US population and fear that the kids would had an "unwelcomed" trip.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/world/20 … 6329r.htm"

*I suppose it depends on what region of the U.S.A. a French person would be coming to. People on the East Coast seem generally to always have a bug up their butts about something. In my area (New Mexico), no one seems to give a dang about it. "Ile de France" brie cheese is still selling briskly (as it should...YUMMY!) and from the looks of the liquor and wine shelves, it seems French wine isn't being singled out for quiet boycotting or passed over in favor of California wines.

dicbill: "Well, I'm french, but I don't worry to much. In New York at least, the city of Sept. 11, people are not afraid of french kids."

*Indeed. French children are the least of my worries. Tell them to come to New Mexico!

--Cindy

dickbill · 2003-06-12 10:36:23

the republicans at congress had denied investigations for the intelligence/WMD problem. Reason: they are afraid it could be used politically. Of course it's gonna be used politically !
Did the Lewinsky affair not used politically ? well, this is what I said, personnal behaviour at the white house makes you more impopular than bad behavior outside, or said otherwise, politically correctness matters more that what you really say or do.

Restrospectivelly, the Lewinsky affair seems completely unsignificative, zero, nothing, compared to what is the issue of this investigation proposal. It was a private matter, not great for a US president or any husband for that matter, but pretty much harmless for his job. Especialy when you see now how sex is promoted in show like the bachelor, Clinton's story was a joke.
One day, G W Bush is going to be surprised smoking a cigarette hiding in a coridor, or sipping a small glass of whiskey and wow wow ! please make investigations, that is not acceptable !

Palomar · 2003-06-12 11:05:07

the republicans at congress had denied investigations for the intelligence/WMD problem. Reason: they are afraid it could be used politically. Of course it's gonna be used politically !
Did the Lewinsky affair not used politically ? well, this is what I said, personnal behaviour at the white house makes you more impopular than bad behavior outside, or said otherwise, politically correctness matters more that what you really say or do.
Restrospectivelly, the Lewinsky affair seems completely unsignificative, zero, nothing, compared to what is the issue of this investigation proposal. It was a private matter, not great for a US president or any husband for that matter, but pretty much harmless for his job. Especialy when you see now how sex is promoted in show like the bachelor, Clinton's story was a joke.
One day, G W Bush is going to be surprised smoking a cigarette hiding in a coridor, or sipping a small glass of whiskey and wow wow ! please make investigations, that is not acceptable !

*I couldn't agree with you more. Straining at gnats while swallowing camels...

--Cindy

Josh Cryer · 2003-06-12 19:33:52

Hey, impeach Bush! :angry:

dickbill · 2003-06-12 22:18:50

Hey, impeach Bush! :angry:

Well, he has been legally elected. New elections are coming, so ultimately, GW Bush gonna be judged by american people. I believe that a majority of americans still support Bush policy and I think he could be reelected, but nobody can be sure. Remember that history is not always predictible.
That what the case in France where Chirac has been elected with the lowest score ever in all the french history. Chirac was very impopular and the justice was talking about to investigate the funds of his political party, among other things, before the elections. The socialist candidate, Jospin, was predicted an easy victory for the coming presidential elections. At the same time, Chirac was close to be suit, he probably thought himself he would loose. Then came the elections and with the presence of LePen instead of Jospin at the second round, the socialists had to vote for Chirac ! So ultimately the french were left with Chirac. But that was completely unexpected.
By the way, at that time, I remember that Tony Blair interfered with the french elections by saying in violent words that he would prefer Chirac and would never deal with LePen as a president, doing so he publically insulted, during the time of the elections, the french electorate of LePen (which is basically, in american standard, a republican electorate). When you dig a little bit, you see that Blair is not the white colomb he pretends to be, this also was not expected. He is so cute right ? he cannot be bad ! sure... Anyway, everybody's prediction were wrong. After that, went the war in Iraq, that Chirac opposed, and you know the rest. Whatever is the future, It's not what we expect.

Josh Cryer · 2003-06-12 22:57:37

Well, I was joking.

But it could be possible. I mean, if I recall, knowingly and falsely going to war is a rather harsh crime. All that needs to happen is some damning evidence. Say, some tape recordings, etc.

Saw a cute quote today.

Weapons of Mass Destruction have now become: Weapons of Mass Disappearance.

Palomar · 2003-06-14 09:11:55

Check out the last 2 toons on this page

...especially the last one (2nd to last is funniest, though)

--Cindy

dickbill · 2003-06-14 10:02:16

I want to come back again to the french elections, I hope not to bore anybody, but there is some lessons there. As I said, everybody's predictions were wrong, but it's also because of the polls:
The poll gave Jospin a slight advantage, so since he was supposed to win, why to take the trouble to move to the voting place ? let's go fishing instead. So, Jospin traditional electorate went fishing, or voting for funny guys ( french always have funny guys for presidential candidates, but not Jerry Lewis, yet). If the socialist electorate had read the poll carefully, they should have paid more attention to the ERROR bars.
I don't know how they calculate their error bar, but it seems to me that, the CUMULATED error bars for Jospin, Lepen and Chirac, each creditate at about 18-20% plus or minus 2 or 3%, maybe more, plus the other candidates error bars, could approach 12% ! needless to say that in these conditions, polls are useless.

So in fact, Jospin was said he would probably be first or second the first round but they forgot to say with great chance to be third as well, and if you are third in the first round of french presidential election, you are eliminated. At the end, the polls were not only imprecise, they also played against Jospin in demobilizing his electorate.

I don't know if such situation could happen here in the states, but here we see most TV channels and media say Bush gonna be reelected no matter what. How do they know that ? what's the error bar ? and if the media say so, is it not a dangerous game for the republicans ? that all the republican electorate go fishing instead of voting ?

Josh Cryer · 2003-06-14 14:15:57

Cindy, heheh, that's beautiful! I never bookmark Slate because I can spend quite a long time reading their wonderful political comics from all around the country (I'm not offended by the ones I disagree with, because I can actually see where they're coming from and it's still funny).

Thanks for that, though.

PS, I liked the one of Laura and Bush in bed together and she comments on how angry people get over deciet- as Bush holds a paper talking about WMDs. Which I think is the one you were referring to, but the page stopped loading around page 7.

dickbill, well, if you recall, the Democrats were slated (via polls) to take the Senate and potentially the Congress in the 2002 elections, but they failed miserably. I think that US polls can't be trusted anymore, because the American populace is just tired of them.

Palomar · 2003-06-14 14:53:06

Cindy, heheh, that's beautiful! I never bookmark Slate because I can spend quite a long time reading their wonderful political comics from all around the country (I'm not offended by the ones I disagree with, because I can actually see where they're coming from and it's still funny).
Thanks for that, though.
PS, I liked the one of Laura and Bush in bed together and she comments on how angry people get over deciet- as Bush holds a paper talking about WMDs. Which I think is the one you were referring to, but the page stopped loading around page 7.

dickbill, well, if you recall, the Democrats were slated (via polls) to take the Senate and potentially the Congress in the 2002 elections, but they failed miserably. I think that US polls can't be trusted anymore, because the American populace is just tired of them.

*The one I was referring to was "Hillary Clinton does a reading from her new book...Laura Bush does a reading from her future book."

And then the cartoon above it, which shows Hillary wringing Bill's neck, then Bill as "First Lady" in 2008...*LOL*

Oh, I agree that even cartoons depicting an opposing viewpoint to mine can make me laugh. I have a very irreverent sense of humor. Yes, I liked the cartoon of Dubya and Laura you mention...hmmmmm, my my.

Dickbill, I'd like to join your discussion concerning current French politics...but unfortunately I'm much more knowledgeable about French politics 200+ years ago. Want to talk about King Louis XV? He was pretty cool...for a monarch.

--Cindy

Ian · 2003-06-23 06:10:18

"Yes bush has been a great president!!!"
A great president? He has ignored all the protests against the wars that he is fighting and he and John Ashcroft forgive me if I accidently spell it wrong. Anyway, John Ashcroft has influenced Bush to pass the "Patriot Acts 1 and I don't know about the second one yet. I think that they have said stuff about balencing civil liberties and freedoms although I don't agree with that. They are allowed to have their opinions as well as I am allowed to have mine. I am allowed to critize him about what he's done as president. Right? I think that he has been influenced too much by John Ashcroft. Why can't he start thinking for himself? And also, why doesn't he acknowledge that the protesters are there?

Cobra Commander · 2003-06-24 15:51:27

...And also, why doesn't he acknowledge that the protesters are there?

Why can't the protesters acknowledge the possibility that they might be wrong?

But what's probably bothering you is that Bush has acknowledged them, in that he knows they're there and tries to address their concerns. he just ignores their demands.

Ian · 2003-06-24 16:18:05

How are we ever going to get humans exploring other planets unless we stop killing each other for greed and profit. There are many other dictators out there. Why focus on the Middle East all the time? One answer "oil". There's a lot of oil over there that the world needs and what a lot of people are after is money and if they control the oil they can get the money, so the rest of the world probably isn't going to allow this so conflicts happen over greed and power and also most of the western world's religions pay attention to the Middle East because that's whrere their religions started and also there are groups over there fighting because they don't like each other and because they are different. Bush probably wants to get control of some of the oil over there in order to get money.

Ian · 2003-06-24 16:21:05

Also. I havent seen the media show Bush acknowledge that the protsters are there. That's what's bothering me.

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