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President Donald Trump and at least 17 of his campaign officials and advisers had as many as 100 contacts with Russian nationals and WikiLeaks or their intermediaries before the U.S. leader was sworn into office. The special counsel Robert Mueller's ongoing Russia probe, were more than 100 in-person meetings, phone calls, texts, emails and private messages sent over Twitter. With the communicated with Russians, the report suggests that Trump himself had at least six contacts before the Republican National Convention (RNC) in July 2016, himself.
Last year, it emerged he’d been in contact with Guccifer 2.0, an account operated by Russian military officers who coordinated the hack. Mueller indicted 12 Russian intelligence officers on July 13, 2018 for hacking Democrats’ emails and using WikiLeaks to release the documents. For Roger Stone, the Trump associate, and the Russian influence operation came via private messages exchanged on Twitter. Stone’s contact was with “Guccifer 2.0,” an online persona that U.S. officials say was created by Russian government officials to distribute and publicize material stolen during hacks of the DNC, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, and Gmail accounts used by Clinton staffers like John Podesta, the campaign's chairman.
Trump ally Stone charged with lying about hacked emails
This Dec 2018, a mystery case Mueller’s team brought against an unnamed foreign government-owned company seeking to compel it to turn over information regarding its commercial activity — whatever exactly that is — reached the U.S. Supreme Court. The U.S. Supreme Court on Jan 8, 2019 refused to block fines against a foreign-owned company that refuses to comply with a subpoena, apparently from special counsel Robert Mueller’s prosecutors, to testify before a federal grand jury. With the Supreme Court allowing the mystery foreign company to file sealed appeal papers in the Mueller case.
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GW,
The indictments against Roger Stone are about as serious as bozo the clown if you're a Democrat. If you're a Republican, then yes, it's serious business. Republicans actually get charged with the crimes that Democrats commit. Stone has been indicted over lying about his e-mails. This guy tried and failed to get information from Wikileaks because Assange despises Trump as much as he despises Clinton. Assange wouldn't give Stone the time of day when Stone tried contacting Wikileaks. That was his big crime.
Remember when Hillary Clinton was indicted for lying under oath about her theft of classified information contained in her e-mails and her failed attempts to destroy the evidence?
Remember when James Comey and Andrew McCabe were indicted for lying under oath about his e-mails?
Remember when Debbie Wasserman Schultz was indicted for obstructing justice when she interfered with the Capitol Police's attempt to seize one of her laptops on suspicion that her IT aide committed bank fraud to the tune of $4M that we know about?
No? Me neither. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, unless you're a Democrat. Somehow Democrats never get prosecuted for lying under oath or obstructing justice. It's almost as if the people dispensing the "justice", or mockery of justice, were political partisans rather than civil servants. Don't worry, though, Stone is set to be tried by the same judge that tried Manafort. You'll get the exact verdict your partisan mind desires.
Manafort - 10 year old money laundering charges in the Ukraine (not a war with Russia at the time of the crime, though clearly not a Russian ally)
Flynn - Improper diplomatic back channel chats about Russia, Ukraine (at war with Russia then and now), and Turkey (not an ally of Russia by any stretch of the imagination, unless you make a habit of shooting down fighter jets flown by your allies)
Papadopoulos - 14 days and $9,500 fine for lying to the FBI about being more important in President Trump's campaign than he actually was; basically leading investigators on a wild goose chase (this was the crime of the century, which is why it merited a whole 14 days in county jail)
Those are the gigantic "Russian collusion" crimes that have come out of the Mueller investigation. Ooh baby. Hold the press. Something major is happening. Someone talked to a Russian somewhere at sometime about something. Maybe someone even sent an E-mail that was never responded to, to Wikileaks! Major crimes!
This would be comical if we weren't blowing tens of millions of dollars looking for something that the FBI's President Trump-hating counter-intelligence investigator knew didn't exist before the Mueller investigation even started. At the end of the day, this is about President Trump making the Democrats look like the complete fools they truly are and drawing attention away from the blatant criminality that took place during the Obama administration. When Mueller's report comes back and doesn't find what you're hoping to find, the very last thing you'll ever do is admit that you were simply wrong because people you trusted lied to you because they have a partisan political agenda that they wish to pursue for partisan political reasons.
If Mueller had evidence of anything, then he wouldn't sit on it for two years. There are more than enough Democrats and Republicans who don't like President Trump at all, never have, never will, and would do anything to get rid of him for their own partisan political reasons. Two years later, we've seen precisely zero evidence of anything related to colluding with Russia to do anything. I'm wondering how bizarre this has to get for people like you to call a spade a spade. Some Republican and Democrat politicians made up some BS about President Trump, the FBI presented the BS as evidence to a FISA court, the partisan media (both sides) did zero fact checking on anything, and it's all been downhill from there. President Trump's big crime was paying off hookers before he was President. Maybe it was Russian hookers. I'm sure we can connect Stormy Daniels to Russia if we work at it.
This is just pathetic. We're sending 30 FBI SWAT team members to some geezer's house because he somehow misrepresented something in his e-mails. Strangely, nothing happened to Hillary Clinton for the exact same crime. How is it a "matter", not even an investigation, when Hillary Clinton, the former Secretary of State, does it and a federal crime when Roger Stone does it? Anyone with a shred of intellectual honesty would see that double standard for what it is.
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You commit a crime you do the time but that is not what the corrupt part of our governement is doing.
The Criminal justice bill passes House, heads to President Trump for his signature. A bill intended to reduce the number of people in the nation's prisons .
The measure would give judges more discretion in sentencing offenders for nonviolent crimes, particularly drug offenses, and strengthen rehabilitation programs for former prisoners. Supporters say the changes will reduce strains on the nation's overcrowded prisons while reducing recidivism by expanding programs that support former inmates when they return home. Advocates also say the measure will help address the disparity in sentencing that disproportionately impacted African-Americans. Critics of the criminal justice measure call it the "jailbreak bill" and say it could increase crime by allowing too many prisoners to go free early.
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If what you said about crime and punishment had any relation at all to reality, then Hillary Clinton would have been arrested by 27 FBI SWAT team members at 5AM, shackled as Roger Stone was, and indicted for lying to Congress and the FBI. Nothing like that ever happened in what was one of the most obvious cases of material misrepresentation, obstruction of justice, and theft of classified information that I've seen in quite some time.
Roger Stone was indicted by Mueller for not knowing that he had evidence of his innocence of the crimes he's accused of. Therefore, he lied to Congress and to the FBI. He forgot that he had a cell phone containing text messages proving that the accusations leveled against him by Democrats were directly refuted by the evidence he unknowingly had in his possession. Yes, you read that correctly. He's guilty of not knowing that he had evidence of his innocence that makes the criminal Democrats accusing him of crimes look bad.
I absolutely loved your attempt to redirect to legislation that has nothing to do with the Mueller investigation. Misrepresent the blatant criminality of the Democrats to yourself and everyone else here as much as it pleases you. Some of us aren't dumb enough to buy into it. I know that you and GW badly want this sham investigation to produce something it never will. I'm sorry that you've been duped by the people you trust. That is indeed a sorry state of affairs whereby the media has become so politically partisan that it will wantonly lie and misrepresent every piece of information it gets for partisan political purposes.
To date, not a single indictment to come from the FBI or Mueller investigations has had anything at all to do with any coordinated attempts between President Trump's campaign and the Russians to influence the results of the election or otherwise subvert the interests of the United States via Russia or any other foreign power. That is the sad and plain truth. The Democrats have signed onto this political witch hunt to draw attention away from their own criminal activities.
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Edit: Apologies. Roger Stone was taken into custody by 29 FBI SWAT team members, not 27. If now flat-broke old man with no guns rates 29 FBI agents, then Hillary Clinton rates at least that many.
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Trump and Russia are going to no length to get out of the collusion...
Russians leaked Mueller investigation evidence online, prosecutors say
Evidence gathered by Robert Mueller, the special counsel, was obtained by Russians and leaked online in an attempt to discredit his inquiry into Moscow’s interference in US politics, prosecutors said on Wednesday.
A court filing by Mueller’s office said more than 1,000 files that it shared confidentially with attorneys for indicted Russian hackers later appeared to have been uploaded to a filesharing site and promoted by a Twitter account.
“We’ve got access to the Special Counsel Mueller’s probe database as we hacked Russian server with info from the Russian troll case,” a tweet from the account said. “You can view all the files Mueller had about the IRA and Russian collusion. Enjoy the reading!”
The tweet was posted in October last year by the account @HackingRedstone, according to the filing. A reporter was also offered leaked material via a direct message the same day. The account has since been removed from Twitter.
Mueller’s court filing on Wednesday said the names and structure of folders containing the leaked files matched those used by Mueller’s office when it shared the data, and that these had not been made public.
The prosecutors said the filesharing site had confirmed to the FBI that the account which posted the material was registered from an IP address – an identifier for devices connected to the internet – in Russia.
FBI investigators had found no evidence that government servers holding the data had been hacked, according to Mueller’s team, pointing instead to a leak on the Russian side.
Mueller disclosed the leak in a filing as part of his prosecution of Concord Management and Consulting, a Russian company that allegedly funded hacking operations by Russia’s notorious Internet Research Agency (IRA).
The filing argued that attorneys for Concord should not be given access to “sensitive” evidence gathered by Mueller’s team for the case.
It said: “The person who created the webpage used their knowledge of the non-sensitive discovery to make it appear as though the irrelevant files contained on the webpage were the sum total evidence of ‘IRA and Russian collusion’ gathered by law enforcement in this matter in an apparent effort to discredit the investigation.”
The Mueller report would be redacted for security reasons and yet we are allowing sensitive information to be widely deseminated...
Of course the Russian troll farm is in on the efforts for disinformation campaign apparently aimed at discrediting the investigation into Moscow's election interference. The Kremlin-backed disinformation campaign that targeted Mueller’s office failed to gain any traction, however, as the contents of a fake trove of the special counsel’s files were immediately dismissed as largely fabricated by the reporter and researcher who received them.
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Its funny how the Rich think about law and not giving a care as if they are above it... Manafort kept working in Ukraine after Mueller indictment, transcript shows in the redacted version.
Then there is the Trump tower meeting and computer communications... Dems ready to issue subpoena for phone records linked to Trump Tower meeting
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Manafort's Ukrainian job was helping keep in office the previous pro-Russian government. That came mostly to an end not long after the current pro-Western government came to power.
Russia desires either a pro-Russian border buffer state, or a failed state as a buffer state. That's why they took the Crimea and part of eastern Ukraine after the pro-western government took power.
Since Manafort's job was keeping the pro-Russian government in power, in reality he was working indirectly for the Russians. It doesn't matter how his paycheck was laundered to come from Ukraine, he was really an agent for the Russians.
Pretty simple, and pretty damning, considering he was (in overlapping times) a Trump campaigner and high adviser.
GW
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GW Johnson
McGregor, Texas
"There is nothing as expensive as a dead crew, especially one dead from a bad management decision"
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Not done yet...
Prosecutors make secret filing in case linked to Mueller
If there was collusion with Russia, here’s where it might have occurred
The again there is Cohen as well with whats seems to be more collaboration....
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Why is no one worried about two meetings with Putin for which Trump destroyed the translators' notes, so that there would be no records of what was discussed? How blatant must the treason be?
GW
GW Johnson
McGregor, Texas
"There is nothing as expensive as a dead crew, especially one dead from a bad management decision"
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I think in time the new House will go after it but there is a line of other charges as well to go in that getting longer line and he has come very close to that treason definition a couple other times.
The Russian colusion seems to be identified by Trump at the moment of Manafords firing from the campaign and was known sometime before that or identified by actions of cohen and Stone.
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Well GW, I suppose that the translators are still alive and could testify. Their statements might not be reliable though. I expect they would be subject to extreme pressures.
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Thats when the president claims executive priveledge and tries to stop the testimony, that its classified....
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What you are seeing with this fight is an immature, insecure, self-absorbed poor-excuse of a man in a high office, responding to the lies of the noxious gadflies of right/far-right public media, that crap being the only stuff he watches or believes.
He does not believe what the career public servants in the government agencies tell him, demonstrably not at all. Sometimes he believes his appointees, but only if they parrot the same crap he believes. We've seen it for 2 years now.
Since when do we Americans allow the likes of Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, and Rush Limbaugh to dictate government policy?
Come on, Mueller. Help us end this.
GW
The collusion connects are being made over time with regards to the inner circle of Manaford, Cohen and Stone but it does not stop there and its only a matter of time before a document says trump order them to do so....
https://www.thedailybeast.com/mueller-i … -collusion
Mueller has clearly identified collusion in the efforts of Trump aides and associates that were in frequent contact with Donald Trump and senior campaign officials.
In the face of what Mueller has revealed, there is little question where this is going. Mueller may still be only showing us part of his hand, but it’s a damn good hand. He has signalled to us he’s found collusion. He has shown us that the president is compromised. He has told us that he has gathered information important to his investigation about contacts with people in the Trump Organization, the campaign, the transition, and even the White House. That’s everyone Trump has been connected with since he started running. And given all the redacted information in his filings and all that he’s been told by cooperating witnesses, we can be confident that Mueller will show us even more.
All that is missing is the bow to tie the package all up...
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Still no evidence of anything at all. Nothing but claims of this, that, and the other from people who only know what some other people they've never met have been feeding them with absolute zero evidence backing them. There is no "Russian collusion". It's a fairy tale. It's entirely made up, just like Elizabeth Warren's claims about being Native American. It's amazing how gullible people who desperately want something to be true can be. One day, we're all going to look back on this and laugh at how absurd it all was.
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I guess we'd better agree to disagree, Kbd512.
I know I hit close when I get accused of being a Democrat, when I am not. There's a lot I don't like about the policy proposals of Democrats, and it's pretty much the same same list of objections as yours.
The problem is the gradual transformation of the Republican party away from its roots, beginning when Bill Clinton was elected ***. It is quite demonstrably no longer the party of smaller government and balanced budgets! And THAT is what I object to, as even more dangerous than most (but not all) of what I see in the Democrats. Rock-and-a-hard-place.
*** this was a crying-in-the-bar conspiracy after the 1992 election among Newt Gingrich, Paul Ryan, Eric Cantor, and one other whose name I have forgotten, to become the "Party of No", and to ally with the far right wing and religious extremists. It is the genesis of the "Reagan Revolution", and has gotten worse ever since.
GW
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GW Johnson
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GW,
Keep charging those windmills, Don. You despise President Trump for your own personal reasons, all of which tie back to your political beliefs or personal beliefs about someone you don't understand and don't care to understand. If this were some sort of academic disagreement over what constituted the best direction for America to go, then your commentary would include points of evidence and reasoned argument about why what the President is doing is wrong. Instead, I've lost track of how many times you've claimed treason or collusion (conspiracy) or other nefarious purposes to the President's actions.
Your rhetoric sounds a lot like the rhetoric I've heard from some of the Republicans I knew when former President Obama was in office. In other words, quite a lot of beliefs and wild claims or assertions (conspiracy theories) with very thin, if not completely nonexistent, evidence backing them. You're upset because the candidate you wanted to win didn't win the election. I assure you that life will go on. Whatever personal beliefs you hold for personal reasons will not have one iota of effect on reality, except as you define it in your head.
Speaking of extremism, I've seen more than a few tapes of Democrats who were members of the previous administration advocating for insurrection or the left's media darlings advocating for the assassination of President Trump. You'll have to forgive me if that looks a lot like left wing extremism to me. If it's not good when the right does it, then it can be good when the left does it, either.
Regarding "the party of no", bad ideas should be rejected. Speaking of which, I still haven't heard how murdering a child after its already been born isn't an extremist position. If that's not the dictionary definition of murder, then what counts? Then we have the case of leftist clowns calling for the assassination of a high school student because he was wearing the wrong hat and was featured in a completely fake media circus event orchestrated for purely partisan political reasons. I guess our leftist extremists want to kill kids no matter what, but especially if they have the wrong political opinions. Beyond that, you should probably read what Democrats write about black people and minorities who don't follow the herd of lemmings off the ideological cliff. Nowhere is the Democrat Party's racist tendencies more blatantly and openly on display. For some strange reason, only the Republicans ever call them on this and the leftist media are often the ones instigating that racist behavior against conservative minorities.
I'll bet nearly anything that if a Democrat gets elected to office during the next election cycle that you, SpaceNut, and the media won't have one cross word to say about anything they do, even if their actions are just blatantly criminal. Sure, you might criticize such behavior after they leave office to give the appearance of being impartial, but that's as far as it will ever go.
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Kbd512, Party affiliation has nothing to do with treason, collusion or corruption of which these are the behavior of the person doing it.
second part of post response in new topic
http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=8929
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The level of redaction should not surprise as that what we have been seeing in all reports...
Prosecutors say Manafort's 'criminal actions were bold' in redacted sentencing memo
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There is a coming to the end but no one knows for sure when and what will be its report out come which has sparked a call from both sides to see what really happened.
Demands grow for a public Mueller report
So will we be ok after the truth is known...
America lived through a Trump-like presidency before, with lasting consequences
"200 years ago with Andrew Jackson, and Jackson's ideology outlived his presidency by some 20 years."
Gee another election that seems to have been stolen....
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Trump-hater Mueller knows if Trump is to be prosecuted then the Clintons, Huma Abedin and numerous senior Democrats would have to be prosecuted for their Saudi and Chinese contacts. So long time ago he realised he couldn't indict Trump. All he could do was string it out as long as possible to cause maximum discomfort for Trump. That's all. Pathetic. Mueller is not a credible investigator. He allowed visceral Trump haters and Clinton backers on his team.
The Jackson history lesson is risible, absurd - pure nonsense.
There is a coming to the end but no one knows for sure when and what will be its report out come which has sparked a call from both sides to see what really happened.
Demands grow for a public Mueller reportSo will we be ok after the truth is known...
America lived through a Trump-like presidency before, with lasting consequences"200 years ago with Andrew Jackson, and Jackson's ideology outlived his presidency by some 20 years."
Gee another election that seems to have been stolen....
Let's Go to Mars...Google on: Fast Track to Mars blogspot.com
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Cohen testimony pages:
Michael Cohen Accuses Trump of Expansive Pattern of Lies and Criminality
Michael Cohen proves it: The president is a crook
Here's why what Michael Cohen is doing is so damaging to every day Americans
Here’s a look at the most damning claims Michael Cohen is making against Donald Trump
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Unless accusations from a convicted felon, who is already known to Congress / FBI / Judiciary to be a serial liar, count as "evidence", then we're never going to get any actual evidence (you know, those "tangible things" like bank statements that don't amount to "he said, she said"), are we?
President Trump has been under investigation for longer than he's been President, yet Congress and the FBI have stated that they've seen no credible evidence of criminal activity attributable to the President has ever been presented to them.
The New Democrat Party Motto:
I accuseth thee, therefore the accusation must be true!
Let's hope our new justice system isn't based off that type of libel.
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How about the hush money check....
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Which bank account did that money come out of, SpaceNut, President Trump's or Michael Cohen's?
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