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Tom Kalbfus · 2017-01-26 07:18:39

RobertDyck wrote:

SpaceNut wrote:
elderflower wrote:
We need a "Like" button GWJ. Moderators please note.
Ya that would be cool....
But it would need Admin level to create and impliment
Doing some quick research... This forum is based on forum software called FluxBB. In 2006, before the Great Crash, it was based on PHPBB so has already gone through an upgrade. The next version is in Beta, called Flarum. It's a complete re-write, so would have major impact on New Mars. And it's still in Beta test. But the feature list includes a "Like" button, and appears optimized for mobile devices such as smart phones. The example forum on the development website looks significantly different than New Mars. Not sure I like it. So maybe, maybe not. I'm not an admin, just speculating.

And what do you want to do with a like button? How abut just saying that you like it? Isn't that enough?

GW Johnson · 2017-01-26 12:09:10

I see no point to continuing to participate in this argument. The difference between belief and reality is so vast for Tom, like it is for Trump (and the tea party), that there is no common ground to converse here.

There was no vast fraudulent voting. The Russians swayed opinions with fake news, but did not mess with vote tallies (although they could have). There is no such thing as trickle-down economics (that has been known for millennia, political belief systems that say otherwise are lies). Torture really is illegal under international law. Pipelines and resource recovery are fine, but making messes while doing them is not. Clean air and clean water really do make a difference: compare Beijing today with LA and NYC today, so censoring government agencies involved with the environment to keep their dismantling secret from the public is a great evil. Building another Great Wall of China on the Rio Grande makes absolutely no sense (there is no expensive wall that cannot be defeated by cheap ladders and shovels, you can ask the Chinese), while reforming the work permit process actually does make sense.

Facts actually do matter.

GW

Tom Kalbfus · 2017-01-27 01:08:33

SpaceNut wrote:

Tom Kalbfus you list not one free air broadcast systems channel for public viewing and that is the difference between censorship when you can not afford to do nothing else... Going digital caused a filtering of information to the masses that do not have internet, satelite or cable coming into there home....The new free air broadcast channels on digital are less strong with signal propagation than even the old analog UHF had so not as many views occur for the stations that still do broadcast....The PBS is also with no commercial advertisement so no funding system other than from donors and special fund raising events.

Nothing is free, not even public television, it is just paid for differently. If you want PBS to keep broadcasting then donate, but I don't think it deserves government funds. We pay for that through our taxes, therefore it is just another form of pay TV. Broadcast is obsolete, in the future people will watch shows on websites, not on free air broadcasting and not on cable. People will watch their shows when the want to watch them, there would be no television schedule except for News and Sporting events. There are many ways to pay for television and get no commercials. Netflix for example has no commercials!

Now is California the only state containing illegals? I do not think so...
Trump has signed a dozen executive orders in his first few days in office, past eight years, Republicans skewered President Obama as an "emperor" who acted outside of his "legal authority" for the executive orders he issued from the Oval Office.
Which sounds to me that it being done by the Republicans and that its ok now....
Donald Trump’s First Six Days in Office: Here’s What He’s Done
Begin to open up your wallet as McConnell, Ryan Say Congress Will Pay for Trump's estimate will cost $12 billion to $15 billion Border Wall not Mexico.....
White House Floats 20 Percent Tax on Mexican Imports to Pay for Border Wall: White House Spokesman
New Trump Agency Memo Gags Staff Communications, Democrats Say in memo -- dated Jan. 20 -- circulating at the Department of Health and Human Services
The Trump administration is circulating a memo ordering federal employees not to communicate with Congress, a demand that Democrats are calling an illegal gag order.
“The Trump administration has issued restrictions at multiple agencies on employee communications, including, in some instances, communications with Congress,” Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., wrote in a letter Wednesday to new White House counsel Donald F. McGahn II. “These directives appear to violate a host of federal laws.”
Cummings’ letter cited a memo -- dated Jan. 20 -- circulating at the Department of Health and Human Services from Acting Secretary Norris Cochran the acting secretary that tells agency division heads that “no correspondence to public officials (e.g., members of Congress, governors) ... unless specifically authorized by me or my designee, shall be sent between now and Feb. 3.”
Trump strategist Stephen Bannon tells media to "keep its mouth shut" the media is the “opposition party” of the new administration and “should be embarrassed and humiliated” by the unanticipated election result.
Trump to Sign Executive Order Related to Voter Fraud, White House Says You have people that are registered who are dead, who are illegals, who are in two states. You have people registered in two states
DOJ Delay in Texas Voter ID Case Sparks Concern Amid Trump’s Debunked Fraud Claims
Justice Department lawyers challenging Texas' voter ID law asked a federal appeals court to delay a hearing in the case. The hearing had been scheduled to consider whether the law intended to discriminate against racial minorities, or whether it merely did so incidentally.

Civil Liberties Groups to Donald Trump: ‘See You in Court’

Madeleine Albright says she's "ready to register as Muslim in #solidarity" Trump promised to enforce “extreme vetting” and suspend immigration from certain Muslim countries, Trump is “obviously mentally ill

SpaceNut · 2017-01-27 19:07:18

The military has a record keeping policy just like Hillary was acused of so when Trump Tweets and then deletes he is violating this. In Trump’s Twitter Presidency, Experts See Risks and Rewards

mass communication that may put Twitter at the center of his strategy, raising legal and security questions. When Trump deleted a tweet, he likely violated the President Records Act, a 1978 law that requires all presidential writings be preserved. Congress recently amended it to include electronic records. Since he does use his Twitter account for official presidential business, it is subject to the Presidential Records Act.
In his first week on the job, Trump has used an unsecured Android phone to post tweets from his personal Twitter account, and to delete them. Using an unsecured phone, or personal email registration, makes the president more susceptible to hacking. His staff initially used a personal email to arrange his government Twitter account, which was updated to a government email on Thursday.

Senator Cory Booker calls Donald Trump a ‘liar’ who uses ‘propaganda’ repeatedly lying to the American people and using propaganda to stir confusion and mislead the public. Can you say alternative facts....
We should not accept a president that routinely lies blatantly to the American people...

Now with regards to illegals that are here to commit crime the Arizona law SB1070 was the state's landmark immigration crackdown required law enforcement to determine the immigration status of someone arrested or detained if there was reasonable suspicion they were in the country illegally.
The law was seen as means to stop by profiling, abitrary stopping of motor vehicles ect....
Now if they are here illegally and does do comit a crime then they do not have the rights as given to a person here legally that does the same crime of that being used in a court of law and a detention camp sounds about right to do for this illegal entry....

Tom Kalbfus · 2017-01-28 01:06:47

SpaceNut wrote:

The unlawful removal of constitutional rights under free speech by Republican lawmakers as several central U.S. states are pushing bills that would crack down on demonstrations, drawing criticism from free speech campaigners and underlining the polarization over protests in North Dakota, Indiana and Iowa that would impose measures such as harsher penalties for demonstrators who disrupt traffic, and scrapping punishment for drivers who unintentionally strike protesters blocking their vehicles. The push for stricter laws comes as opponents of Trump have vowed to take to the streets to demonstrate against his policies on issues ranging from immigration to abortion and climate change. Then again the Trump's wall could cost an estimated $120 per US household is probably lower that what I think it will cost you......
Now on to the arrest of Russian Charged With Treason Worked in Office Linked to Election Hacking Moscow are prosecuting at least one cybersecurity expert for treason, a prominent Russian criminal defense lawyer confirmed on Friday. Russian internal investigation led to two other arrests, and that all of the detentions were related to American investigations into Russian hacking during the election.

Democrats call rioting "speech", Rioters "speak" with baseball bats, Molotov cocktails, burning tires, setting limousines on fire, breaking windows, burning stores down to the ground. I don't think "freedom of speech" means that!
https://twitter.com/bnonews/status/822556305550376960
Then we have Madonna's "lovely" F.U. Speech at the women's march!
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Mad … &FORM=VIRE
Madonna thinks she is so clever by showing the World that she can curse! How "original", How "artistic" she is! Maybe she will put together an F.U. song for her next album!

Ever wonder why conservatives don't have as foul mouths as the so-called liberals that come out and protest? As I stated before, Trump hasn't really done anything yet, so all those women decided to come out and show their hatred and prejudice for Trump. Trump hasn't done anything to them, and whether he as a good husband to his three wives is frankly none of their business. Ivana Trump, Marla Maples, and Melanie Trump haven't joined this march.

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Terraformer · 2017-01-28 13:22:44

It's not clear whether a California secession would be handled by the federal government, even if the state's voters approved it.

Well, it's already been established that states are not allowed to leave. If California gets to, the Confederate states deserve a massive apology, and compensation.

Tom Kalbfus · 2017-01-28 18:18:30

They would rather be part of Mexico? What about all those illegals that got there, all their work would be undone!

Tom Kalbfus · 2017-01-28 23:05:59

No one asked the illegal immigrants to sneak across the border, and if they want to take back California, we'll just boot them back across the border into Mexico without it! You know what happened to Ukraine with all of those Russian Immigrants, You heard of what happened to those Germans in Czechoslovakia, when Hitler used them as an excuse to invade. I would like to keep all 50 states thank you very much, and maybe add a few more in the 21st century. That Federal Judge wasn't the final word on this, he was an Obama Judge, and Trump has yet to make his Supreme Court pick.

SpaceNut · 2017-01-29 09:55:47

I will agree that we are under invasion by those that are illegally here and that we have not done enough to control this and not done enough to either make them citizens or to deport them. But from what I have seen the deportation does not work and detention camps we have not tried but then again this could be consider not being humane.

So what would be your solution for illegals?

There is no invasion at all from the eastern and western boarder at all...

This invasion is not from war along our nations southern borders...it is from people trying to live the american dream that they hear of....we are not seeing any invasion at all from our norther border, why is that?

Water is a great barrier while land bridges are not.

RobertDyck · 2017-01-29 19:18:58

Terraformer wrote:

It's not clear whether a California secession would be handled by the federal government, even if the state's voters approved it.
Well, it's already been established that states are not allowed to leave. If California gets to, the Confederate states deserve a massive apology, and compensation.

If you read history, the Confederate States did start the process of bringing that case to the Supreme Court. However, there was disagreement whether Fort Sumter would be owned by the North or South. The South demanded it, the North sent reinforcements. That resulted in the first shots fired, that started the war.

Wikipedia: Fort Sumter - Civil War

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SpaceNut · 2017-01-29 20:24:14

Still a cabinet for Trump positions that are still not filled... Still Vacant Appointments Threaten Trump's Agenda

More than 1,100 executive branch positions are subject to Senate approval; about 700 of those were deemed crucial by the Washington Post and the Partnership for Public Service. Those include cabinet secretaries, deputy and assistant secretaries, heads of agencies and other management and leadership positions. Trump has so far announced nominees for 33 of the 700 positions; four of those nominees have been confirmed,

Day after Putin call, GOP warns Trump on lifting sanctions

Now even they are getting the message.....

Did Trump just hear the people on this ... Trump backs off tough stand on green-card holders
Issuing a clarification that the order does not apply to green-card holders “absent the receipt of significant derogatory information.”

Of course Trump is back to the usual stance in Defends of Order as Protests Surge Across the Country with protests and this unusual Starbucks to Hire 10,000 Refugees Over Next 5 Years

hiring would apply to stores worldwide and the effort would start in the United States where the focus would be on hiring immigrants "who have served with U.S. troops as interpreters and support personnel." The letter said that Starbucks would help support coffee growers in Mexico, provide health insurance to eligible workers if the health care law is repealed and back an Obama-era immigration program that allows young immigrants who were brought to the country as children to apply for a two-year reprieve from deportation and a work permit.

Another great question I saw was When ‘We the People’ Becomes ‘I, the President’?

Donald Trump was revealing himself daily with erratic tweets and a preoccupation with an alternative reality, he would soon "act presidential."
Well, in his first week in power he has shown himself to be exactly who we have always known him to be: a xenophobic, racist, delusional, fact-free king of his new ***** —America. With the swipe of a pen he is altering American democracy for decades to come.

Now onto the pipeline to which before he took off there was the North Dakota Oil Pipeline Spills An Estimated 176,000 Gallons ...and now are he is there is Canada oil spill on native land came from Tundra Energy pipeline was the source of a leak of some 200,000 liters (52,830 gallons) of crude oil Canada oil pipeline spills 200,000 liters on aboriginal land Iowa oil spill underscores pipeline risks day after Trump revives major projects Rupture of 138,600 gallons is ‘not a major disaster’ but environmental advocates say it highlights their fears about the Keystone XL and Dakota Access projects

SpaceNut · 2017-01-29 21:09:11

Trump's ban is disguise for xenophobia along with these other words Racism, Misogyny were all said of his character.....

His phobia is spreading Gunmen open fire on Quebec City mosque

There was also another Texas Mosque which was also burned to the ground as well since his orders....

Billionaires Charles Koch and David Koch network slams Trump immigrant ban

Billionaire innovator Elon Musk pledged Sunday to seek a consensus among fellow business executivesappointed to advise President Trump on needed changes to an immigration ban that stirred an outcry around the country. The Tesla Motors and SpaceX CEO is part of a chorus of tech executives who have denounced Trump's immigration policy.

RobertDyck · 2017-01-29 21:33:14

After protests in 2012, the route of Keystone XL was changed to go around the Sand Hills. Why is this back?

2012 change of route...
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SpaceNut · 2017-01-29 22:48:50

Your map makes it look like its on the reservation and on a large aquifer....
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_Pipeline

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandhills_(Nebraska)
The Sandhills, often written Sand Hills, is a region of mixed-grass prairie on grass-stabilized sand dunes in north-central Nebraska, covering just over one quarter of the state. The dunes were designated a National Natural Landmark in 1984.
The World Wide Fund for Nature (WWF) designated the Sandhills as an ecoregion, distinct from other grasslands of the Great Plains.

Now I understand this https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-of … ovals-high as this allows the pipeline to move forward through this area.....

RobertDyck · 2017-01-29 23:12:29

I'm trying not to get involved with the Dakota pipeline controversy. I'm involved in enough things. Some Conservatives on another forum pointed this out to me...

And a map of federal lands and Indian reservations, from a federal government website. Pink areas are reservations. Click for larger view. Your map is dated 1851.

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Tom Kalbfus · 2017-01-29 23:27:27

SpaceNut wrote:

Trump's ban is disguise for xenophobia along with these other words Racism, Misogyny were all said of his character.....

And what about banning people from misogynistic cultures? If we bring in people that believe women are property belonging to their nearest male relative or to their husbands, what does that do to women's rights if they become citizens and vote? Do you want Islamic Law in our country? Do you want Muslim ghettos of no go zones for non-muslims existing within our country as they do in Europe?

His phobia is spreading Gunmen open fire on Quebec City mosque

It wouldn't happen if Muslims weren't there in the first place, and the fact that some of them were supporters of terrorism or were even terrorists themselves! It I easier to tolerate Muslims when they live on the other side of an ocean and they kill mosly Muslims in their own countries, rather than your friends and relatives here. Part of the attacks on Muslims is motivated by revenge for previous Muslim attacks on non-Muslims. If we don't allow Muslims to come here in the first place we don't have this problem of terrorism or of some people wanting to get revenge for that terrorism. By letting in some people who may be terrorists, you are increasing the risk to American citizens that they may be subject to terrorist attacks by Muslims, and where there is fear there is also hatred. Islamic culture has some problems, namely that much of it tolerates terrorism or even justifies it! By bringing such people here, you are also fanning the flames of intolerance back at them. Not every American is a stoic, willing to take the slings, arrows, bombs and bullets the Arab terrorist wants to shoot at them! Where there is fear, there are some people willing to act on it. I'd like Islamic terrorism to remain mostly a middle east problem and notmakeit an American problem as well.

There was also another Texas Mosque which was also burned to the ground as well since his orders....

Maybe if they weren't Muslims, they wouldn't be targets for people seeking revenge for previous Islamic terrorist attacks against Americans. People see so many news stories about terrorism, and some don't want to tolerate new Muslims moving into their neighborhood and giving them something to worry about. Isolatonism also means keeping the bad people out as well as not meddling in their affairs. If we bring them into out country, we are then involved, and so we might as well send out soldiers out to bomb the heck out of those countries that are sending terrorists our way. the idea of America was the get away from religious intolerance, and that means keeping out those people that want to wage a religious war on us.

Billionaires Charles Koch and David Koch network slams Trump immigrant ban

Well billionaires have their own private security guards, they are not taking the same risks we are when our country lets in people with a higher chance of being Islamic terrorists. Charles Koch is quite safe, because the Islamic terrorists won't be able to reach him, but we have to rely on the police, the government, and the state department and border patrol to protect us!

Billionaire innovator Elon Musk pledged Sunday to seek a consensus among fellow business executivesappointed to advise President Trump on needed changes to an immigration ban that stirred an outcry around the country. The Tesla Motors and SpaceX CEO is part of a chorus of tech executives who have denounced Trump's immigration policy.

Why else would people want to colonize space? Mostly its to get away from the Old World where dangerous religious fanatics that want to kill us live. It would be nice to live in a space colony where "Jonnie Jihad" wasn't allowed to visit and blow things up! We have enough problems with the hazards of space without introducing an unstable human element into it!

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elderflower · 2017-01-30 03:26:25

what about the approx. 11000 people killed in the USA per year due to misuse of firearms. Its not Muslims doing that.

Antius · 2017-01-30 04:30:36

elderflower wrote:

what about the approx. 11000 people killed in the USA per year due to misuse of firearms. Its not Muslims doing that.

Well, nobody said that banning Muslims would solve ALL of America's problems.

Tom Kalbfus · 2017-01-30 05:59:36

What about them, does adding to that a number of people killed by terrorist attacks help? Some of that misuse of firearms was the attack on the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Florida, a terrorist attack involving firearms is a misuse!

elderflower · 2017-01-30 08:46:58

It strikes me that nobody has done the risk assessments. If they did they would concentrate on bigger problems which might be easier to deal with.

SpaceNut · 2017-01-30 18:43:52

Boston
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Are you listening Citizens exercising their Constitutional right to assemble, organize and have their voices heard by their elected officials is exactly what we expect to see when American values are at stake,Protests Erupt Nationwide for Second Day Over Trump’s Travel Ban as its wrong for how it was implimented and Obama Rejects Trump Immigration Orders, Backs Protests

Where are the nations which his order targets:

Are you listening yet http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-republi … ion-order/

Sens. John McCain of Arizona and Lindsey Graham, have knocked the policy as dangerous to American national security interests. Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina, wrote in a joint statement with Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, that the ban “may do more to help terrorist recruitment than improve our security”: Chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tennessee, called the executive order “poorly implemented.” Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Arizona, said that parts of the ban were “unacceptable”: Sen. Cory Gardner, R-Colorado, said in a statement to the Washington Post that the ban “goes too far”: Republican representatives opposing the ban include: Rep. Justin Amash, R-Michigan, Rep. Mike Coffman, R-Colorado, Rep. Barbara Comstock, R-Virginia, Rep. Carlos Curbelo, R-Florida, Rep. Charlie Dent, R-Pennsylvania, Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick, R-Pennsylvania, Rep. Will Hurd, R-Texas, Rep. Leonard Lance, R-New Jersey, Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Florida, Rep. Elise Stefanik, R-New York.

More stupitity as this is not how we should treat people...Maryland police chief responds after cop questions citizen over immigration status

I had just come out for a walk, so I didn’t have my ID. And he said, ‘Why don’t you have ID? Are you here illegally?'

just like in World Wars in Germany.....

Former intel official: Trump immigration ban makes Americans less safe at home and abroad by serving as a recruitment boon for ISIS, and he warned that the Trump administration needs to “start making policy like adults.” Roughly 100 people who have been indicted by the FBI for ISIS-related crimes over the last three years, 85 percent were American citizens.

The Suspect in Mosque Shooting Named as Alexandre Bissonnette a college student..where six people were killed and 17 were wounded.. the shooting was motivated by Islamophobia....
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A white young man known to troll Facebook pages dealing with immigration issues and indicated Trump supporter....as others on Facebook have said....
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/quebec-mosq … o-comment/

So Trumpism has been born....

My son was witness to a young man knocking over an elderly couple in the entrance way to the shopping mall shouting at them as indicating that they were a waste of space... luckily 4 other young men came to the couples defense and put the offender onto the ground until the mall officer arrive and maintained safe conditions until the Cops did come to haul him off to jail....This is the same trumpism that we are all seeing these days...

Here is another Stranger threw N.J. girl, 5, on tracks as train approached
Why it appears she is not white american....Shakes head...

Here is another Trumpism:
David Axelrod: I woke up this morning as an alternative fact Gee can not get facts straight....

SpaceNut · 2017-01-30 22:05:46

We have seen the Trump twitter offense and now there is the counter tweet... A ‘rogue’ group of staffers is tweeting secrets from the White House

On the flip side, the same weapon that he wields to disseminate his own versions of the truth, to attack anyone who’d criticize him and to rant about whatever comes to mind, can also be used against him. The Twitter account went viral in a matter of days — it was created on January 26th and it reached more than 298,000 followers since then.

From across the pond One million sign petition to cancel Trump's UK state visit following outrage over his travel ban on mainly Muslim countries.

"Donald Trump's well-documented misogyny and vulgarity disqualifies him from being received by Her Majesty the Queen or the Prince of Wales."

As a result of telling the lawyers to not defend the executive orders for the ban Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates Trump fires top government lawyer who defied immigration order as it goes against what is right....

Can you here them now Michigan Muslims file suit against Trump order

The lawsuit, filed in federal court in Virginia, wants a ruling blocking enforcement of Trump’s executive order signed Friday, saying it discriminates against Muslims and violates protections for the free exercise of faith and prohibitions on governmental establishment of religion. It also says people affected by the order are being denied due process of law.

Trump wanted to go after the sanctuary cities and now Cincinnati defies Trump, becomes sanctuary city

Google employees stage worldwide walkout over Trump edict

No matter how they voted, Republican or Democrat or Independent, many people are "outraged" by Trump's actions, Brin told the crowd who gathered under a clear California sky in a central area of the sprawling campus.
Brin himself came with his family from Russia as a refugee in 1979, fleeing persecution against Jews.

Thank you for coming to america as a refugee and becoming American.....

Tom Kalbfus · 2017-01-31 01:24:55

elderflower wrote:

It strikes me that nobody has done the risk assessments. If they did they would concentrate on bigger problems which might be easier to deal with.

Which is more dangerous to neighbors, a nuclear reactor or a mosque? Both have potential externalities which could be dangerous. A lot of people feel uncomfortable living near a nuclear reactor, how about a mosque? What could go wrong with both? A nuclear reactor could melt down and release dangerous radioactivity, A mosque could produce a terrorist!

RobertDyck · 2017-01-31 02:03:48

Tom Kalbfus wrote:

Which is more dangerous to neighbors, a nuclear reactor or a mosque? Both have potential externalities which could be dangerous. A lot of people feel uncomfortable living near a nuclear reactor, how about a mosque? What could go wrong with both? A nuclear reactor could melt down and release dangerous radioactivity, A mosque could produce a terrorist!

Or public school could produce a Trump supporter.

Tom Kalbfus · 2017-01-31 08:51:42

RobertDyck wrote:

Tom Kalbfus wrote:
Which is more dangerous to neighbors, a nuclear reactor or a mosque? Both have potential externalities which could be dangerous. A lot of people feel uncomfortable living near a nuclear reactor, how about a mosque? What could go wrong with both? A nuclear reactor could melt down and release dangerous radioactivity, A mosque could produce a terrorist!
Or public school could produce a Trump supporter.

And what's wrong with a Trump supporter? You didn't have to live under eight years of the Obama Administration! You had a nice sensible Conservative Prime Minister and government for most of that time with ration pro-Canadian policies. Obama wasn't pro-American, he wanted to get even with a country that was mostly white, for slavery and racial discrimination, he wasn't interested in good racial relations between blacks and whites! Obama damaged the economy with higher taxes and he eviscerated the Defense Budget while sending our soldiers to foreign places to die without the support of our government! It was definitely time to change, and I didn't want to support a lying weasel from the same Democratic Party as Obama just because she was a woman and married to an ex-president.

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