Trump and the Fourth Turning

Void · 2016-12-02 10:47:28

http://www.jayweidner.com/trump-and-the-fourth-turning/
Quote from the article:

By Karen Stuth / November 30, 2016 / Articles, Library
By Jay Weidner
Chapter One: The Fourth Turning.
Two historians William Strauss and Neil Howe wrote a very interesting book called, The Fourth Turning (1997). In this significant book the two authors show that the United States goes through a Turning every 80 to 85 years.
The first turn was from 1776 to 1789 when the Republic was founded.
The second turning was from 1860 to 1865 when the civil war erupted.
The third turning was from 1940 to 1945, with the Great Depression and World War Two.
The fourth turning is now. For the next 13 years until 2030 the Fourth Turning of the United States will be in full swing.
What is interesting about these turnings is how each Turn reflects back on the Turn before. The issues that are unresolved in one turning are attempted to be resolved in the next Turn. For instance the Founding Fathers, in order to create a Union, more or less ignored and put off the most important problem our young country faced, which was slavery in the south.
The second turning was all about solving that problem, which unfortunately resulted in 600,000 men, as well as many women and children being killed.
If we go to the third turning we can see that the most popular movie at the time was Gone with the Wind (1939), which glorified the antebellum south. The movie today seems like an oddity, almost surreal. One might surmise that Gone With the Wind was a movie made solely for the Third Turning. Viewing it today through the lens of our modern sensibilities, it is prosaic and almost silly. Interestingly now as the fourth turning is coming we can see a return to movies about slavery and the civil war (12 Years a Slave, Django Unchained). Civil rights issues that were not solved in the third turning are starting to rise up again as we approach the end of that Turn and the start of the next.
Chapter Two: The Left Attempts To Manufacture The Fourth Turning.
It is my opinion that Left and the Democrats read and absorbed the book, The Fourth Turning. Starting in the late 1990’s, just after the book came out, the Left began attempting to construct the Fourth Turning. They believed that they could successfully change America forever by acting out and consciously manipulating the change they wanted.
And the way that they would do this was a two-fold action:
First they would amp up Identity Politics. They would label anyone who spoke out against this forced induction of the Fourth Turning as a ‘racist’, ‘sexist’ and ‘homophobe’. The second part of the forced and manufactured Fourth Turning was to open the borders and flood America with people who do not share our basic values and ethics who due to many factors are poorly educated and due to this are easily controlled.
And so we watched the last eight years in horror as the Left began creating their fake Fourth Turning.
Chapter Three: But Turnings Cannot Be Manufactured.
What the Left does not understand is that Turnings are spontaneous. They cannot be controlled. One cannot manufacture a Turning. It must rise spontaneously from the hearts and minds of the people and it must be a surprise to the powers that be and to everyone else.
Back in 1776, most people never believed that the US revolution, which marked the First Turning, would ever succeed. Yet it did. Most people did not want the Civil War, the hallmark of the Second Turning, yet it happened. No one but our mad leaders, elites, and bankers wanted the Great Depression and World War Two of the Third Turning, yet they occurred.
What I am getting to here is that we don’t know as of yet what the Fourth Turning will manifest. But we can see that the election of Donald Trump was so unexpected, so populist in nature that it has surprised all of the experts. No one can realistically contradict the obvious fact that the election was a rebellion against the establishment and the endlessly encroaching programs of the New World Order. Whether you like Trump or not, he has upended the political establishment. The entire mainstream media has been exposed and the Democrats (read The Left) are not only on the ropes but they have no bench.
Because they tried to manufacture The Fourth Turning, using identity politics instead of a merit system, they have found themselves caught in a conundrum of their own making with no significant leaders and no rising stars.
Their first attempt at Identity Politics was when they brought in Obama and he shamed the majority into voting for him twice. The plan was to then to finish off their manipulation of the Fourth Turning by electing a woman and attempting to do the same thing with her. Essentially their approach once again was to shame the majority into doing what the Left wanted using Identity Politics.
But Hillary is no Obama. Whatever you think of Obama he can still deliver a good speech and he is likable. Hillary is neither.
But it wasn’t Hillary who lost the election; it was the amazing accomplishment of Trump who perceiving the dissatisfaction and needs of the populace – against all odds – won.
Chapter Four: The Real Fourth Turning.
So if one were to define a real Fourth Turning I think that this would have to be the one. And the Trump Wave is only the first part of the Fourth Turning. Like all Turnings the Trump Wave was spontaneous, surprising, tumultuous. It was dizzying, threatening and dangerous.
It still is all of those things and – if I am right – all of these things will continue. In fact it could get very dangerous. Especially when the Left finally figures out that the jig is up and they have been upended. How will they react when they take off their blinders and come face to face with the fact that the majority has come to realize how the Left plays this game and how unfair and deceptive they actually are.
The timing is impeccable. The Third Turning ended in 1945. If Trump and his movement can hang onto power until 2024 then that will be almost exactly 80 years from the Third Turning.
This means that Trump’s movement is in control of The Fourth Turning. We are in a moment that is critical to the future of this country.
This is why the Left is so outraged at the moment. They thought that they had it in the bag. They thought that they could indoctrinate and overwhelm us with the ‘change’ that so few of us really wanted.
Chapter Five: What Happened?
The Left has never been more than 20% of the population. They know this. That is why they infiltrated the Education System, the Media, and Hollywood. They tried to change us, and this country, through intimidation, propaganda, and re-education. The Left, the Establishment Media and Hollywood have spent the last two decades telling us that all of the values that we hold as a culture and as a country are reprehensible, appalling, and downright evil.
Our children were taught in the propaganda mills we call public schools that America was racist, sexist, misogynist, vile, heartless, etc.
But then something happened. A few years ago much of America stopped listening to all of this chatter. It was if a giant collective decision had been made to turn off the propaganda mills. Increasingly, television ratings began tanking, especially on the shows that were filled with the most anti-American propaganda. Movies also began losing money big time.
Americans were saying ‘no’ to the propaganda machine but the minions who run the propaganda machine didn’t seem to understand. The movies, media and television shows kept trying to sell us their substitute view of reality. When Caitlin Jenner received an Arthur Ashe ‘Courage’ award from ESPN you could hear the collective psychological backlash.
The Media and the Establishment had just gone too far.
It is like we were living in two separate universes. In one universe we are told that we are all sexists, homophobes and racists, and that our country is full of hate. On the other hand, you only have to open your eyes to see that we are living and working with people of numerous races, religions, opposite sexes and openly gay people and we aren’t ruffled by any of it.
In fact Americans were downright puzzled by the insults from the Left as they had openly elected Barack Obama twice. Clearly many Trump voters had also voted for Obama.
Chapter Six: Dangers Ahead.
The Trump movement had better become steely fast. The insults are going to get worse as we succeed in dismantling the manufactured BS culture that the establishment has been forcing on us
There is a Fourth Turning and like all the previous Turnings this one will be unexpected, spontaneous and full of surprises. That is what is in store for us for the next 13 years. We will come out of this Turning around 2030.
The war is just heating up and the Left is not going to take this sitting down. Expect epic violence against us. Expect violence against the Police and Military to increase.
Even now the raging activists of the Left are planning for a color revolution this spring. The elites in the establishment are so freaked out by the spontaneous eruption of the Trump Movement that they will employ a vast number of mindless Social Justice Warriors to try to reverse what has just happened. Outrageous acts by the Left are about to occur and the mainstream media will be behind it and openly support it.
In this we see the insanity of the psychopathic Left. They claim that they are the rebels and revolutionaries but in reality they are the stooges of the Establishment. It is the Establishment that educated their minds to believe what they think. It was the Establishment that fed their brains for the last 30 years.
The Left thinks it is rebelling against the entrenched order but in reality it was their candidate, Hillary Clinton that was supported by the old money, the Banks, Wall Street, the Rothschild’s and the Rockefellers. It was Hillary that was one hundred percent supported by CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC. It was Hillary who voted for both the Afghanistan and Iraq Wars, not Trump who was against them.
The Left is protesting that the Pro-War, Pro-Wall Street, Pro Banker candidate LOST!
This reversal of the Left’s formerly Anti-War, Anti-Wall Street, and Anti-Banker positions will do great damage to their future. Does the Left think we are not watching them? Does the Left think we aren’t noticing their epic hypocrisy?
How can they ever be trusted again if they supported such a candidate? That they would riot, destroy property and scream obscenities because their Pro-War, Pro-Wall Street, Pro–Banker candidate lost is so surreal, so unbelievable, that it boggles the mind.
What we are about to witness will be a continuous attempt to manufacture and seize hold of the narrative of the Fourth Turning by the Left. Black Lives Matter will continue to be funded by George Soros; the Establishment will still pay the Social Justice Warriors.
But it won’t matter. Thirteen years is enough time for us to turn the Left back. Our alternative media is already beating the hell out of the mainstream media. As one can see from the pushback of the mainstream news, the Left will do everything it can to shut down the alternative media.
What we must do next is to destroy their edifices of power. We are already doing it with the media. We must boycott all of their media. We must boycott their movies. Just like what is currently happening to the NFL, we must also do this to all of their institutions.
We must collectively decide to quit eating their crappy sugary, GMO food and believing their insane propaganda. We must home school our kids to keep their minds away from the Leftist infiltrators. We must remake the education system and root out the Leftists infiltrators. We must expose them for what they are. They won’t like it and it will be through their reaction to us that we will discover how truly psychopathic they are.
This is a war and the odds are good for us. We are strong, united and clearly the majority. Now it’s time for us to take power and remake our culture. Let’s ignore the Left unless it is to reveal their own innate stupidity.
Oh and let’s also have fun.
Jay Weidner, www.jayweidner.com is a filmmaker, author and radio personality. To watch his full catalogue of films as well as over 7,500 mind-expanding programs join the on-line streaming network Gaia at www.gaia.com/sacredmysteries.

So that you won't misunderstand, I don't agree with all the agenda that the Fourth Turning authors have such as the theft of my retirement benefits which I am actually entitled to. But in general they did interesting work.

And I do not know if Trump is the real thing or just another clever trick by the demons from the old world to impose UnAmerican behaviors upon us from the old worlds. He could just be a precursor to the real thing, or he could be the real thing.

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Tom Kalbfus · 2016-12-02 12:59:44

2% growth in the economy makes it harder to retire without making someone else poorer. The Obama Administration has a record of unusually slow growth in the economy and a declining standard of living, if society gets poorer, it becomes harder to retire! What the Democrats wanted you think was that this slow growth was inevitable, that there was nothing they could do about it, so they'll cut larger slices of the economy for you at someone else's expense. What Trump is arguing is if the economy grows faster, everyone benefits, the poor and the rich alike, that is the way an economy should run, it should not be a zero-sum game where Obama supposedly takes from the rich to hand out welfare benefits to the poor. The Uber-rich he did not touch, especially if they could make contributions to Obama and his friends, and exchange, he works out some exceptions for them, while taxing the middle rich so they don't rise up and compete with the Uber-rich.

Void · 2016-12-02 16:33:54

I think the contrast is Globalist vs Nationalist. Not Democrat vs Republican.

The need for Nationalism has erupted from the attempts of the global elites to colonize the USA.

We are not going to have it, period.

Tom Kalbfus · 2016-12-03 02:18:44

Being a Globalist is impractical as the Globe won't listen to you, If I was in charge of the globe, I'd have Putin arrested for murder, but unfortunately there is no real World Government to impose law and order World wide, we can only elect the government of a single nation. I think having leaders that live in the real world is preferable to those who want to pretend to be in charge of the entire globe when they are not!

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SpaceNut · 2016-12-03 20:31:30

highlights the problem with the UN for sure....

RobertDyck · 2016-12-04 00:28:18

There is an issue that most people keep ignoring. There was a major problem growing, that no one knew how to deal with. The disparity between very rich nations vs very poor ones. In some poor nations, people lived on $4 per month. That's right, per month. Foreign aid attempted to deal with this, but it was a drop in the bucket. And most of the aid got redirected: rich warlords used it to support their military, or reward their supporters. Most wars have been fought over resources. Extreme disparity between rich and poor is exactly what causes wars. There were raids, convoys of foreign aid were often attacked and the aid stolen. Most people didn't worry about that because that aid was supposed to help poor people in that country anyway. But there hasn't been an organized war by poor countries on rich countries. Not yet, but many analysts feared it was coming.

But then multi-nationals decided to start moving factories to third-world countries. They didn't do this for altruistic reasons, they were being purely selfish. As one extreme example, car assembly line workers were paid $75 per hour! That's insane. Just for a factory worker, not a medical doctor or engineer or someone who spent multiple years in university getting an advanced degree. Paying for that degree is why individuals with an advanced degree are so expensive. But factory workers? So they moved factories to third world countries. They paid $30 per day. That was a major improvement over $4 per month! And the factories used the latest equipment, producing stuff for sale in our country, so manufacturing cars or laptop computers or smart phones. This was a massive technology transfer from industrial first world countries to third world, as well as massive increase in their income. People could actually afford to buy stuff.

So the brewing world war, poor vs rich, has been avoided. Politicians had no clue, this was done by greedy multi-national corporations. They didn't do it for any altruistic reason, they did it so they could pay workers $30 per day instead of $75 per hour. But the good thing is the disparity between rich nations vs poor nations is being resolved.

But that does have negative consequences. This now means workers in Canada and the US have to compete with third world countries. That drives down our wages, and takes away our jobs. We have massive job loss, so much that people now blame illegal immigrants. But it's not their fault. America uses slaves of one type or another since the 1500s. After slavery was ostensibly abolished, illegal immigrants were used for cheap labour. These were jobs so nasty, so difficult, so poorly paid that no American wanted them. So don't blame illegal immigrants. It's those outside the country who are taking your jobs.

I kept shaking my head at Bernie's $15/hour federal minimum wage. Most states, not just a few but most states, have laws that allow employers to pay less than federal minimum wage. Raising the federal minimum wage is meaningless when it isn't minimum. Not even close. But raising wages will result in even more employers moving operations out of the country: to Mexico or overseas.

Protectionism is one of the things that brought on the Great Depression. Closing trade is not good. But the current Global system means competing with third world nations for factory jobs. And now India has set up call centres, software development, and even I.T. support. I don't know what the solution is.

kbd512 · 2016-12-04 18:40:05

Rob,

In instances where there is extreme wealth disparity between rich and poor, the poor have no means to fight wars, apart from throwing rocks at each other, without third party actors financing those wars. Foreign financiers have backed and/or fomented virtually every war in modern history.

The Africans and Asians didn't have modern firearms, motor vehicles, or solid state electronics, until we transferred those technologies to them. The Russians were still using vacuum tubes in military electronics at a time when I had a personal computer in my home containing multiple microchips. Since none of the less technologically advanced countries could produce the firearms, motor vehicles, or communication devices required to start a war before western nations transferred that technology to them, how on Earth would they have been able to fight a war against us? We're in no danger of fighting a war with poor countries that we didn't start and they pose no threat to us that we didn't help create.

With regard to the poor, we can choose to help them whenever the opportunity presents itself. There will always be poor people. More often than not, human suffering is self-inflicted. The reason there are so many poor people in Africa, Asia, and the Middle East is more attributable to their own culture and behavior than any foreign influence.

The labor unions, bastions of liberal regressive group thinking (or unthinking, as I call it), were the people who brought $75/hr vehicle manufacturing laborer rates. GM and other vehicle manufacturers were bankrupted or nearly bankrupted because their union workers demanded so much of the companies they worked for, and their corporate officers acquiesced to those unreasonable demands, that the companies were financially destroyed by the cost of manufacturing vehicles in the US from sky-high salaries and pensions.

The GM bankruptcy is the ultimate result of liberal regressive thinking. If regressives find an instance where capitalism works reasonably well for all involved, then they make arbitrary and destructive demands, scream / whine / cry until those in positions of authority feel compelled to grant the requested changes on their behalf, and then there is a slow but steady decline in productivity and profitability ultimately leading to financial destruction.

Thereafter, the liberal regressives will blame capitalism and any other political group, typically Republicans, or activity that is not related to their own capricious and destructive behavior and then say "See, see, capitalism doesn't work." If you deliberately try to destroy capitalism with ridiculous policies at corporate and governmental levels, then of course capitalism doesn't work. Anyone who wants to destroy what others have worked so hard to create can generally find a way to do that.

Your argument about Americans using foreigners as slaves is another example of reimagining history as it never happened. The governments of the rest of the world make their people slaves. In every example where we've given foreign countries the same technologies western civilization enjoys, their governments choose to use those gifts as a means to manipulate their people. Do you suppose life would be any better for those people without the jobs given to them by western civilization? Is a man making $900USD/month no better off than a man making $4USD/month?

Illegal immigrants do not come to the US simply to do the jobs Americans don't want to do. The problem ultimately begins and ends in the countries they come from. We've created artificial working environments that make hiring illegal immigrants profitable and there's no reason for us to permit a practice to continue that is prejudicial to both illegal immigrants and American workers. More importantly, manual labor is not punishment, nor is it beneath anyone. If young Americans don't want to clean their homes, then they can live in squalor.

The Great Depression was a result of currency manipulation by central bankers, over-production, and the frugality of consumers. Protectionism had very little to do with it. Nobody here in the US is talking about stopping trade with our trading partners. We are talking about re-negotiating deals that are favorable to American interests. There is no reason for tens of billions of dollars of our wealth to flow out of the US, every year, simply to permit US based corporations with foreign manufacturing bases to make an extra buck selling cheaper products to Americans. This is a case of short-signed corporate officers making decisions with strategic implications in the name of that extra dollar of profit.

Tom Kalbfus · 2016-12-04 20:49:26

RobertDyck wrote:

There is an issue that most people keep ignoring. There was a major problem growing, that no one knew how to deal with. The disparity between very rich nations vs very poor ones.

You know why there are poor nations? Bad policies lead to poverty! Nations compete with each other, and nations such s North Korea make themselves poor because the government can't stop interfering! Other countries have dictators that follow terrible policies to enrich themselves, they are not accountable to their citizens, that is why such countries are poor! In other cases you have democratically elected government that like to play "Robin Hood" to make themselves popular and get elected, the rich are driven out of the country and you are left with nothing but poor people and no jobs.

In some poor nations, people lived on $4 per month. That's right, per month. Foreign aid attempted to deal with this, but it was a drop in the bucket. And most of the aid got redirected: rich warlords used it to support their military, or reward their supporters.

I would say the warlords are just a bunch of bandits, who use their control of the military to rob and steal, and that is why they are rich, the real rich people were driven out of these countries a long time ago, because they did not want to get robbed by these warlords and their armies!

Most wars have been fought over resources. Extreme disparity between rich and poor is exactly what causes wars.

Wars are caused by people who want to seize power, they use their control over the militaries to rob people makin those they rob poor, and naturally no one wants to start a business in these countries because they will be robbed by these warlords too. The wars and the warlords create the poverty, they are motivated by greed, and they use their command over those militaries to steal and make themselves rich, since they don't produce anything, they contribute nothing to te economy and only make the country poorer!

There were raids, convoys of foreign aid were often attacked and the aid stolen. Most people didn't worry about that because that aid was supposed to help poor people in that country anyway. But there hasn't been an organized war by poor countries on rich countries. Not yet, but many analysts feared it was coming.

And they would lose big time! Wars are started by people who "smell victory" no war was ever started by somebody who thought he would lose!

But then multi-nationals decided to start moving factories to third-world countries. They didn't do this for altruistic reasons, they were being purely selfish.

Irrelevant why they did it, they are providing jobs. Most businesses I heard of were started for he purely selfish reason to accumulate wealth, that applies to Microsoft, Apple, any for profit business, and the majority of jobs come from those businesses that were started for those selfish reasons!

As one extreme example, car assembly line workers were paid $75 per hour! That's insane. Just for a factory worker, not a medical doctor or engineer or someone who spent multiple years in university getting an advanced degree. Paying for that degree is why individuals with an advanced degree are so expensive. But factory workers? So they moved factories to third world countries. They paid $30 per day. That was a major improvement over $4 per month! And the factories used the latest equipment, producing stuff for sale in our country, so manufacturing cars or laptop computers or smart phones. This was a massive technology transfer from industrial first world countries to third world, as well as massive increase in their income. People could actually afford to buy stuff.
So the brewing world war, poor vs rich, has been avoided. Politicians had no clue, this was done by greedy multi-national corporations. They didn't do it for any altruistic reason, they did it so they could pay workers $30 per day instead of $75 per hour. But the good thing is the disparity between rich nations vs poor nations is being resolved.
But that does have negative consequences. This now means workers in Canada and the US have to compete with third world countries. That drives down our wages, and takes away our jobs. We have massive job loss, so much that people now blame illegal immigrants. But it's not their fault. America uses slaves of one type or another since the 1500s. After slavery was ostensibly abolished, illegal immigrants were used for cheap labour. These were jobs so nasty, so difficult, so poorly paid that no American wanted them. So don't blame illegal immigrants. It's those outside the country who are taking your jobs.

Americans don't want slaves, and they don't want Third Worlders coming to their country and complaining about their working conditions and then demanding Revolution, and not the one of 1776, but more like the one of 1918 in Russia! You see the problem is Third Worlders eventually become citizens and they will vote in the type of people that ran their countries and made them poor in the first place. I'd rather have American companies build factories in Third World countries than to bring Third World people here to exploit! I don't think brining is slaves did a lot of good either, the slaves were better kept out or sent back to Africa! We don't want no lower classes, no serfs, peasants or whatever. France had a lot of peasants during the French Civil War and because of that, their revolution was a disaster!

I kept shaking my head at Bernie's $15/hour federal minimum wage. Most states, not just a few but most states, have laws that allow employers to pay less than federal minimum wage. Raising the federal minimum wage is meaningless when it isn't minimum. Not even close. But raising wages will result in even more employers moving operations out of the country: to Mexico or overseas.

Well maybe you heard what Trump is going to do about that!

Protectionism is one of the things that brought on the Great Depression. Closing trade is not good. But the current Global system means competing with third world nations for factory jobs. And now India has set up call centres, software development, and even I.T. support. I don't know what the solution is.

Well you know, we have no trade with Alpha Centauri, if there are any sort of intelligent creatures on any of the planets orbiting Alpha Centauri, we aren't trading with them, does that hurt the economy?

Void · 2018-10-28 21:07:51

Give me some credit Spacenut, I did not open a new topic.
In case it seems I am unusually active, it is because I have a cold, and I am staying at home most of the time quite bored to limit exposing other people to it.

There is an interesting video in this link.
https://app.hedgeye.com/insights/58414- … until-2030
I don't necessarily adhere to their philosophy, but I do their analysis of time rhymes. I had some of the same calculations and then in other ways more, before I ever heard of them.

I guess I am putting this here in part so that maybe some people, Spacenut, don't have to do the chicken little dance maybe quite so often.

We are in winter and it is a long winter. I may not live to see it's end.

Anyway enjoy it or don't. I don't intend to reveal more.

…..

Alright I am cobbling together a collection of things:
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Pe … &FORM=VIRE
I don't agree with Peter Zeihan per Sweden, Russia, ect.
There have been periods of time when the northern countries relatively did OK together (Not all the time). But for instance Germans had a lot of influence in the Russian Empire, and even German people there prior to the communist revolution.
As I see it the northern countries are all so badly damaged that they will not have the desire to war. I expect that instead they will co-operate. (Maybe). Certainly the Germans and Russians are doing so on energy.

Still his logic of not being the continuing advisory of Russia is wise for the reasons Peter Zeihan has given.
Things that Peter Zeihan has not factored in for Russia are that a lower population can be supplemented by the emerging robotics, and that in a globe of probable famine, a lower population may not be all that bad. The Russians are still a military power in Central Asia, even though at this point China is more and more becoming the economic power there. In other words they have Central Asia nailed down between the two of them.

Although the US has not wanted the Germans and Russians to collaborate, I am not that fearful, as I think that when things work out, we will be able to work rationally with the Eurasians for mutual interests.

On the other hand the Latin world is going to hell. It happens. Not our fault. A switch about every 510 years.

And by the way Mexico, and some of the other countries of the world are not truly Latin. So Mexico could be OK long term.

This demonizing of Russia, is to some extent a mistake. However, if something wrong was done, I am not against it being fixed.
But it in my opinion is a symptom of some people in this country that are on a sinking ship and are desperate. Russia phobia is not advised. However counting your fingers when you deal with them is advised.

……

And here is something else. It also connects as I will show.
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Coal/Coal-T … eaper.html
I know that a lot of you don't like fossil fuels at all. Certainly not Coal.
However the above at least gives the chance to make Coal more friendly. For instance if you can sequester the CO2.
Note that China and a European country have developed it. In other words, they are not likely to stop using hydrocarbons.

……

The conclusion is that while I do actually think there is global warming, and it could become a major problem, however, if you looked into Peter Zeihans video, you will note that he does expect a nuclear war. Just not with us. For instance if India and Pakistan went at it we would have a nuclear winter, and global starvation from the cold. So being biased up on temperature would not be a bad thing then.

We cannot prevent global warming, and we very well cannot prevent a small nuclear war with a nuclear winter. But if there is no nuclear winter, then we should be prepared to make a dust winter, I think with Lunar materials. The least toxic components of Lunar materials. The balance of Lunar materials to make space structures.

That in my opinion is a plan where we can manage to keep the civilization going, for it's sake and to give better chances of the human race becoming space faring. For now that is the way I see it.

Done

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SpaceNut · 2018-10-29 17:22:50

I bow to your credit plus restraint and hope you get well soon....

Ya winter sucks and its expensive to heat when using fossil fuels....

Not so sure that china's people likes there smog thou....

Void · 2018-10-29 17:45:43

Well thanks Spacenut. A person has to have sympathy for China. Away from the cost, I understand, the standard of living is like Bolivia.

Mars_B4_Moon · 2021-12-06 06:41:59

Looks like same ol' ... but the Neo-Left might be getting worse, more 'regressive' lets say. The 'Capitol' thing becomes a witch hunt and they now want to issue Contempt of Pelosi/Congress a subpoena to a straight honest guy like Bernie Kerik, an American Patriot and former Police Commissioner of New York City...how could a clownshow get any worse, maybe by bringing in some paranoid UFO Doomsday Preacher called Alex Jones to testify? I don't think there was a shift in any Overton window I mostly just seen gasoline getting chucked on a fire by both sides, I didnt see the ‘The Fourth Turning’ or a Great Reset yet...maybe there is something going on with those Klaus speeches. California allowed stealing, theft and Looting of almost 1000 $ in goods, BLM and Antifa went out Burning and Looting and causing Mayhem after the Kyle Kenosha thing. The Democrat polls say they don't approve of Kamala or sleepy Joey, a real change would be making a promise to back Musk and put a man on Mars or maybe a Third party Libertarian or Constitutionalist or whatever they are going to be called? Gasoline prices going crazy against and more troublesome issues with Ports, Shipping and the Truckers. Biden said he would do things different to Trump but his Covid case and Corona Death numbers continue to climb, some Western nations like Aus and New Zealand in 2 full years of lockdown, it will soon be THREE YEARS !! panic as a new evolution a Mega-Mutated "Omicron" Variant arrives. The 45th Trump banned from facebook, twitter, youtube and other social media while the Taliban and Iranian terrorists get to keep their accounts?

One thing that can be said of Trump is that he did often come off as a hot-head and a crazy person, however maybe his 'Rocket-Man' type statements got things done, improved a difficult relation with an isolated DPRK?
Is there a solution with a population getting angry? When people are not drunk buying Wallmart booze and out at the weekends.
The Weed Cannabis and smoking recreational Marijuana can come along, will it be there and everywhere to keep people's energy low and their brain inside some confused paranoid foggy cloud with this big monkey-like grin on their face? women and family and kids now hooked on legal BigPharma pills from the doctor.
https://news.stlpublicradio.org/governm … in-earnest

Athletes trained for nothing??

Russia is acting like the Soviet Union again, mohammedans back to stoning people to death in record numbers, shooting up their own people with Sharia Law and killing their own for not being muslim-enough and people lynched and set on fire in Pakistan on alleged accusation of committing blasphemy for insulting that pedophile terrorist Moongod called Al-Lah?
Isolationist? Joe Biden to announce 'diplomatic boycott' of 2022 Beijing Winter Olympics that will see US government officials snub the contest https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl … mpics.html

Cancel Culture invades the town of Hollyweirdo and Silencing Voices, now they want to take down statues of the Founding Fathers?
American citizens still stuck behind enemy lines in Afghan land so Honeymoon period for Biden is Over?

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