>>> ESAS moon missions' architecture CHANGED !!! >>>

gaetanomarano · 2007-12-23 18:07:17

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again... I was RIGHT about the (bad) ESAS architecture

21 MONTHS ago I've published the article "Great part of the VSE moon missions may fail":

http://www.gaetanomarano.it/articles/004.html

where I've explained WHY the moon missions may fail with the 1.5 launch architecture

then, I've started some discussions about this problem, like this on the BAUT forum:

http://www.bautforum.com/space-explorat … -fail.html

and now (21 months after my article) NASA admits (but not acknowledge) that a problem exists

that's why they have changed the moon missions' architecture to launch the Ares-1 before the Ares-5:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/20 … pt-of.html

but they have lost 21 months to do that

so, why they don't (simply) adopt my suggestions (since they READ my website) saving time and money?

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cIclops · 2007-12-24 05:30:35

gaetanomarano, these persistent and blatant promotions of your website have now reached the level of spam. Furthermore, creating a new topic for this purpose is unacceptable. If you have something specific to say, say it in an appropriate topic. Please remove your message

Happy Christmas.

gaetanomarano · 2007-12-24 07:19:52

gaetanomarano, these persistent and blatant promotions of your website have now reached the level of spam. Furthermore, creating a new topic for this purpose is unacceptable. If you have something specific to say, say it in an appropriate topic. Please remove your message
Happy Christmas.

I admit that, when I read news like this, I don't resist to write... "I've said it n months ago" or "I've published an article on my website", etc.

however, that news is not little since it's a BIG CHANGE, a "180° turn" in the ESAS architecture!!!

so, I believe, it has enough merit to have a full thread

also, the brief F.I. article doesn't explain WHY the moon missions may fail with the old architecture, while, my article explain it in details

last, why a few links to my articles would be "spam" while thousands links to NSF, BAUT, FI, etc. would be not?

Merry Christmas to you, cIclops

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SpaceNut · 2007-12-24 21:37:33

First loiter time is for unmanned prtion of the architecture and not the manned vehicle hence the order for launch is important for going to the moon.

If you want the manned portion first to be launch with that kind of loiter time then consumables would be the show stopper for the Ares I being ever used.

ASEN 5016 Lecture 5: Nutrition and Temperature Regulation

Average male astronaut over 30 daily energy requirement is 2875 cal
3. Water Supply in Space
Total Daily Consumables ~22.5 kg per person per day (including hygiene water)
Total estimated consumables per person per year ~8213 kg
· Food = 219 kg
· Oxygen = 292 kg
· Potable Water = 1132 kg
· Hygiene Water = 2008 kg
· Laundry Water = 4562 kg
Water = Greatest single mass consumable (~7702 kg/person/year for a ‘high end’ system, which is only ~5.5 gal/day)

Crew of 4 to the moon and a daily 22.5 kg of consumables per member needs, the amounts for a full 90 days for the crew size would be a total 8100 kg which would be greater than the payload capacity of the Ares I so it is the unmanned portion of the architecture that gets the loiter time.

gaetanomarano · 2007-12-25 03:05:47

Crew of 4 to the moon and a daily 22.5 kg of consumables per member needs, the amounts for a full 90 days for the crew size would be a total 8100 kg which would be greater than the payload capacity of the Ares I so it is the unmanned portion of the architecture that gets the loiter time.

are you saying that the Apollo astronauts have accomplished their missions without food, water and oxygen??? ...a great argument for the anti-Apollo/anti-NASA conspiracy theorists!

the reality is different, of course

first of all the Ares-1 payload "should be" over 25 mT including the SM where part of that supply are stored

second, we must consider all data excluding the Laundry Water since the astronauts will need to wash their jeans and T-shirts only in very long missions or lunar outpost stay

so, the basic per-day/per-astronaut need is 10 kg., then, the supply needs with four astronauts in 16 days (the crewed Orion max autonomy) is only 640 mT

last, the water could be recycled, purified and reused

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Terraformer · 2007-12-25 03:31:35

SpaceNut wrote:
Crew of 4 to the moon and a daily 22.5 kg of consumables per member needs, the amounts for a full 90 days for the crew size would be a total 8100 kg which would be greater than the payload capacity of the Ares I so it is the unmanned portion of the architecture that gets the loiter time.

are you saying that the Apollo astronauts have accomplished their missions without food, water and oxygen??? ...a great argument for the anti-Apollo/anti-NASA conspiracy theorists!

Are you saying that the Apollo Missions used the Ares I, not, as I was led to believe, the Saturn V ?

gaetanomarano · 2007-12-25 08:17:21

Are you saying that the Apollo Missions used the Ares I, not, as I was led to believe, the Saturn V ?

the Apollo CSM, SM and LEM was SMALLER than Orion, SM and Altair, but had enough life support for a moon mission

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Terraformer · 2007-12-25 08:22:51

Was there a hidden crew member making the total crew up to four? And what were the astronouts doing in those extra months?

gaetanomarano · 2007-12-25 10:42:20

Was there a hidden crew member making the total crew up to four? And what were the astronouts doing in those extra months?

just search and read the Orion specs released by NASA and LockMart in the contract assignation press release... you'll discover how small is the Orion life support's weight... so light, that, having enough volume for a 4th astronauts, also the Apollo was able to carry

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