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#101 2019-05-27 17:36:32

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Re: Holidays

For Terraformer ...

Thanks for the inspiration to look for citations about the history of Armistice Day, and of the migration of memorial activities over time, in various countries and at various times.  You're right, that the Americans have Memorial Day, but (I gather) that predates World War I. 

I hope that future Martian citizens can look back in amazement at wars on Earth, and that they will be spared similar discord.

Bad behavior appears to be endemic in the human population. 

I asked Mr. Google for help with the famous line:  “Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.”

it turns out (as nearly as I can tell) this is a line that has a great number of authors, and (apparently) no one has a lock on it.

However, it works for me right now .... Future Martians are most certainly going to have to adopt it if they want to keep eruptions of bad human behavior from ruining what I hope will be a peaceful, productive culture.

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#102 2019-05-27 18:41:36

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A mars memorial day would be one that they would celebrate as they would have finally gotten away from wars and would remember the fallen of mars which would have lead the way and not just those on earth.

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#103 2019-06-19 17:03:03

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#104 2019-08-12 18:11:36

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SpaceNut wrote:

NASA will celebrate the Martian New Year with an event at this flying saucer spaceship monument in Mars, Pennsylvania
Martian Calendar Milestone. NASA is celebrating the New Year on Mars on June 19, 2015.

Gearing Up to Prepare for the Next Mars New Year in 2019

The actual Mars New Year will be celebrated on Thursday, March 21st, 2019.

Seems Mars was scared of Aliens on Earth claims but there is this as well. 2019 Alien Stock Festival

2 million people to say they’d storm Area 51. https://fox8.com/2019/08/10/storm-area- … -festival/

Will we be listening to the One eyed, one horned, purple people eater?

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#105 2020-12-21 09:52:17

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The Holidays topic created by RobertDyck has been patiently waiting for today on Earth ...

Today is the Winter Solstice, and regardless of calendar or human mythology, the Sun is observed at it's lowest excursion to the South, as seen from the Northern hemisphere.

There is a small community that celebrates this day on Earth.  I have no idea how large that community may be, but I am acquainted with a family that celebrates this day with the same enthusiasm that other families celebrate the variations on the theme.

In honor of that family, and all others who celebrate this day, Happy New Year!

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#106 2020-12-21 17:43:25

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Mars would also have a simular marking of the solstice days as well but would they be followed by a Christmas and New Years as we celebrate here on Earth.
I have assumed that man will in time not follow earths calendar very much and that slowing it would see a slowed down version of some of the more important holidays still falling in it.

A well wish to all NewMars members and to Mars Society for another successful year by hosting the forums content.

Something that is clear as new rockets are developed and cash is starting to flow for missions with these new lifts to the heavens that we will indeed see Mars sooner rather than later....so lets get the plans in order to get us there....

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Winter solstice we saw at 270' on Sep 02 2020 so the days are getting longer while the distance from the sun increases.

What is odd is the amount of solar in winter is higher but with the days time is short we do not see any really amount of mars warming.

While the summer day grows longer but the amount of solar striking the planet is dropping.


I think this is in the topic but if its not here it is https://www.planetary.org/articles/mars-calendar

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#107 2020-12-25 18:34:37

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well, another day past and well wishes will continue through the new year...probably every where but in there topics....
So when we started to think about earth holidays and how would they cross to mars only some will but many will be twice as long to get to since mars is twice the earths year of days to get there....

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#108 2021-04-04 11:24:07

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Sure there's a NORAD Santa Tracker for kids, but is there a NORAD Easter Bunny Tracker for grumpy chickens!? We have an app for the Easter Bunny https://trackeasterbunny.com/easter-bunny-tracker

Welcome to Track Easter Bunny On Saturday, April 3rd, the Track Easter Bunny website and apps will transform into a tracking experience where you can follow the Easter Bunny as he delivers Easter baskets and goodies to good kids around the world. Millions of people love the Easter Bunny …

Happy-Easter-Day-Images-5-700x394.jpg

Easter is a Christian holiday that celebrates the belief in the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. Easter 2021 will take place on Sunday, April 4.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter

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#109 2021-08-11 06:08:39

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#110 2022-10-05 08:21:03

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Some Religious or Historical events might be marked which happened on Mars.

I'm not really religious but I do kind of understand why Australia marks Christian European or British events, but the recent stabbing of Rushdie got me thinking negatively about religion or a religion so I got annoyed to read about marking some islamic event at the Arctic or South Pole

Maybe an event happens and yet days get lost in the history of time keeping. The Egyptians and Roman and Chinese and Hindus and cultures of the Americans marked days with reasonable accuracy, a unisolar calendar the Babylonian calendar was a lunisolar calendar with years consisting of 12 lunar months, each beginning when a new crescent moon, the Gregorian calendar is the calendar used in most parts of the world introduced in October by Pope Gregory the 13th as a modification of, and replacement for, the Julian calendar

Astronomers have made several attempts to link the star to a celestial event maybe it happened and was a comet, or happening such as a conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn or Jupiter and Venus or some other event like supernova, there might even be religion ufology cult people who believe a UFO came to Earth long ago and little green men shone a torch out their UFO window to guide the men?

Three wise men from the East who had followed a star to Bethlehem

The cultures moved across Egypt and Arabia, this Aramaic was the original language of Jesus, who spoke the Galilean dialect, he may have been multi lingual and spoke Hebrew or Latin, in 25th in the West the date is marked but Greeks are also in Europe, the Orthodox Church celebrate celebrate Christmas on 7 January.

Cartoons and an explanation for kids.

'What is Christmas?'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/topics/z … es/zdjjf4j

the seventh month in the Hindu calendar?

When is Dussehra 2022? Date of the Hindu festival, what it means and how it’s celebrated in India and beyond
https://inews.co.uk/culture/dussehra-20 … ia-1892480

Chinese Festival celebrated in U.S. state of Colorado
https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/272 … f-colorado


The always updated
'I have created a martian calendar...'

The original topic by JammerG55 a newmars user who suggested a discussion of keeping time on Mars.

JammerG55 wrote:

My martian calender consists of 12 months each week has 13 days, and each month has 57 days plus 1 extra day every four months. Suggestions???

tahanson43206 wrote:

Today on Mars: 0036/22/04 Wednesday <<-- Days of the week offset 0 with Earth.  (count from Mars to Earth (updated 2022/09/03))

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Today on Earth: 2022/10/05 Wednesday (Earth Date) Post Title: Today on Mars   [Perihelion occurred June 20, 2022 Earth Calendar]

Per http://www-mars.lmd.jussieu.fr/mars/tim … _time.html also see: in-the-sky.org for oppositon/perigee/aphelion

Martian Year: 36  Martian Month in 12 month format: 11 <<== The Astronomical month will increment when longitude reaches 330 degrees

Solar Longitude: 315.7 Sol Number: 589  Change in degrees is +.5 Julian date is: J0036589
Solar Longitude: 315.1 Sol Number: 588  Change in degrees is +.5 Julian date is: J0036588
Solar Longitude: 314.6 Sol Number: 587  Change in degrees is +.6 Julian date is: J0036587
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Note that Solar Longitude measurement varies as a function of location in orbit.  Ls 0 is the moment when the Sun appears to transit from one hemisphere to the other.  The transition itself is a function of the tilt of an object with respect to the Solar plane. Per squarewidget.com, Hipparchus created the celestial coordinate system we use today.


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Distance: Mars >> Sun per theskylive.com:   217,355,071 km [25.3 km/s] Difference is +176961 <= 7373 km/hour at 8.0 on 10/05 (time 8:00)
Distance: Mars >> Sun per theskylive.com:   217,178,110 km [25.3 km/s] Difference is +175821 <= 7326 km/hour at 8.0 on 10/04 (time 8:00)
Distance: Mars >> Sun per theskylive.com:   217,002,289 km [25.3 km/s] Difference is +175563 <= 7315 km/hour at 8.0 on 10/03 (time 8:00)
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Observation: The sky view is ** filled ** with objects and very few have been recorded and given identification by humans or their robot assistants
And! ** All ** the location assignments are from the perspective of Earth.  The entire catalog needs to be adjusted when inter-stellar travel begins
The work that lies ahead for the astronomical community is daunting - there is work ahead for centuries
2022/01/19 - All current (existing) stellar catalogs are computed with reference to the Earth.  Another civilization would use it's planet as reference.
Perhaps a Milky Way frame of reference will become necessary at some point. The Earth is as good a Zero point as any, for humans.


As a general observation ... I've become increasingly interested in knowing what the larger view of the sky might be like.
The site: theskylive.com does a terrific job of matching the view from Earth towards Mars, against a background of actual astronomical plates.
I wish there were a way (or rather, I wish I ** knew ** about a way that may exist) to enlarge the view until the entire galaxy is in view.
Update 2021/07/30 I wrote to an astronomer to ask if there might be a web site with a view showing the galaxy in context of a given view.
Update 2022/01/22 What I'm asking for is a "Zoom Out" feature.  If anyone knows of such a service, please contact the NewMars portal.

Note: The curve of the path of Mars as seen against the background of stars is now a line trending upward and East as seen from Earth
In recent days, the curve has been holding steady , and on 2022/09/01, it is inclining upward at about 10 degrees

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Earth Distance 2022/10/05 113,356,298  (decrease)
Earth Distance 2022/10/04 114,263,888  (decrease)
Earth Distance 2022/10/03 115,088,308  (decrease)
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Mars and Earth are coming closer after Conjunction.  The two planets were on opposite sides of the Sun at Earth Distance maximum October 2021.

Light travel in one second is (about) 300,000 kilometers. The distance covered in one minute is about 18,000,000 kilometers.
Estimated light times: 1:18, 2:36, 3:54, 4:72, 5:90, 6:108, 7:126, 8:144, 9:162, 10:180, 11:198,12:216, 13:234, 14:252, 15:270, 16:288, 17:306
Light travel time today is between 6 and 7 minutes. Communications delay would be 12+ minutes round trip.

In his online interview with Dr. Zubrin at the 2020 Mars Conference, Elon Musk reminded the audience that communications with Mars will necessarily include an intermediary station to handle traffic when the Sun is between Mars and Earth.  Communications delays in that circumstance will increase due to the extra distance to be covered.  Mr. Musk indicated he expects such communication will be handled by laser.  Location would be optimum at poles of solar plane.

Mars is executing the "Retrograde" movement as seen from Earth. Earth is passing "under" Mars.
Progress of Mars (as seen from Earth) is transitioning back to Eastward as the retrograde movement continues.
The online solar system display at the link below shows clearly how the Mars retrograde movement will occur in months ahead.
Retrograde movement started 2020/09/08 Sol 520 - Update 2022/08/14 Retrograde movement is still in progress on sol 538

This web site offers an online model of the solar system: www.solarsystemscope.com  It requires Chrome 57, Firefox 52 or Safari 10.1

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Sol 589 is in Month 22 of a Proposed 24 month calendar. See Post 19 of Holidays topic for a summary. <<== Skip Day Sol 557
Month  22 extends from Sol 586 through 613. See post 82 of Holidays topic for current details. <<== There are 28 days in Month 21
Direct path to source: http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php … 57#p154257
Sol 589 is Wednesday  in the Proposed Business calendar for Mars.  Sol 557 was a skip day on Earth. 593 is next expected skip day.

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The Next New Year's on Mars will occur when Solar Longitude reaches 360 degrees. <<== The current year on Mars is 36
Per www.planetary.org this occurred February 7, 2021 (on Earth). The new Mars Year is 36.

The last Skip Day occurred  September 3,  2022 on Earth. A Skip Day occurs when the longer Mars Sol accumulates 24 Earth hours.
The next Skip day is expected October 10, 2022 (range 9th >> 11th) on Earth. The next skip day will separate the week days.

For those who may not be following this proposed calendar closely, there exists a "feature" I had not anticipated.
Days of the week fall behind Earth due to the longer Sol, but they gain when Friday is omitted at the end of a Quarter
337 Earth days were observed to elapse in the 2020 weekday cycle. There were 7 week day transitions and 2 Quarter ends.
The next cycle began on the first Sol of the period of coincidence. The  alignment of weekdays interval is in the range: (310 - 337)
To find the first day of a period of coincidence: Set up: SearchTerm(colon) and (colon)Alignment and J0036*
Refinements of the search include: Author: tahanson43206 Topic: Martian Politics and Economy (Specify Posts instead of Topics)

For current weather on Mars see:

   ***https://mars.nasa.gov/insight/weather/***
   ***Insight's weather info has been suspended and now is directing to msl***

https://mars.nasa.gov/msl/weather/

Per SpaceNut: Here is another web page by NASA containing the latest news releases

https://mars.nasa.gov/news/?page=0&per_ … ope=Latest

All forum members are invited to post significant events for this day.
Events of interest will be ON Mars, or relate to Mars. Examples are launches, landings, discoveries

Standard Month in Mars Business Calendar
Su    Mo    Tu    We    Th    Fr    Sa
1       2      3      4      5      6      7
8       9    10     11    12    13    14
15    16    17     18    19    20    21
22    23    24     25    26    27    28



Month 22 of 24: <<== Fourth month of Quarter 4

Martian Calendar -

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