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#1 2017-08-23 18:54:58

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Status of DACA under Trump

Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, was created in 2012 through an executive order by then-president Barack Obama to provide temporary relief for young adults who had been brought illegally into the country as children. So unless these orders are not law or have been rescended then they are still in effect. Then why is Enriquez, the married mother of two children, ages 5 and 11 months, is a two-time recipient of legal status through the DACA program. That said she was siezed and being held by Immigration police officers for deportation despite having legal status. She has legal status under DACA with U.S. Citizenship and is protected by law.

Her case is similar to that of a 23-year-old DACA recipient in San Diego. On Tuesday, a federal judge there said he was preparing to order the Trump administration to return Juan Manuel Montes to the United States from Mexico.

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#2 2017-09-02 17:11:34

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Some more of those that gave to save others Harvey rescuer drives massive military truck to save hundreds

Sissa drove his two-and-a-half-ton military vehicle through the flooded streets of Houston. He rescued about 300 people.

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Another visit to the huricane zone and Trump pitches in at shelter for Harvey victims

"We saw a lot of happiness," he told reporters after he and first lady Melania Trump greeted children in the kids' zone in NRG Center, an emergency refuge for people who were forced out of their homes. "As tough as this was, it's been a wonderful thing."

It was his second trip to Texas in a week, and this time his first order of business was to meet with those affected by the record-setting rainfall and flooding. He's also set to survey some of the damage and head to Lake Charles, Louisiana, another hard-hit area.

The U.S. government does not track DACA recipients by profession, and employers do not necessarily know whether an employee is in the program unless he or she voluntarily discloses it. If "I lost my right to work because the law was taken away," she said. "I have to follow the rules and the law because if you don't, then something worse would happen. "You have to respect the rules. We always emphasize respect."

Schoolteachers on edge as Trump mulls changing 'Dreamers' policy
nearly 800,000 undocumented young people in the United States to receive work authorization through Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA with 618,000 DACA recipients, more than three-quarters of the total, came from Mexico.

More than 200,000 of those in the program live in California, while 100,000 are in Texas. New York, Illinois and Florida also have large numbers.

Human toll of Harvey comes into view as waters recede

Toxic waste sites flooded and EPA is not on the scene

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#3 2017-09-03 10:45:32

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I am hoping to hear kbd512 weigh in as it appears that he is closer to the flood area and am keeping fingers crossed that both will recover from this huricane in strong fashion.

I would agree that the volunteers have made a huge difference in what could have been a greater lose of life.

This Spoken Word Poem Is A Beautiful Love Letter To 'Undocumented People'

If you want to understand the struggles, fears and boundless strength of undocumented immigrants in America.

“I love us because everyday we wake up to a country that hates us. We wake up, give thanks to God and go to work. Watch the news, hear how our own TVs vilify us. We change the channel and pray that tomorrow will be a better day for us.”

I am wonder but I am sure there is no way to know just how many of those that volunteered were the undocumented .....

Houston teen whose home was flooded now faces second threat if Trump ends DACA

Yazmin Medrano, 15, came to the United States with her family when she was 5 years old and just applied for the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program that allows undocumented immigrants brought to the country as children to apply for work permits and deferral of any deportation actions.

Medrano said she dreams of becoming a surgeon but now fears she may be forced to leave the country where she has lived most of her life.

15-year-old’s situation shows that the United States has “had an absolutely broken immigration system for decades.”

There is another side to te people of the Houston area as Houston's homeless shrug off riding out Harvey on streets

Some are hoping for the help that normally is not there for them.

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#4 2017-09-04 14:25:02

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One of the biggest issue effecting the USA is the undocumented immigrant that has been given amnesty more than once and are covered as children un DACA. The president has been urged by PaulRyan and others to leave this program intact but Trump is still probably going to nail it to the wall just like everything else that has Obama's name on it...
Trump Reportedly To End DACA With 6-Month Delay giving a chance that they might change there mind....or Congress could work on a legislative solution ― and prolonging uncertainty for hundreds of thousands of people protected by the program.

Since President Barack Obama created DACA in 2012, nearly 800,000 people have been granted those protections, which meant they could obtain driver’s licenses, work legally and live without the imminent threat of being returned to countries they hadn’t seen since childhood.

There could also be major economic implications. If DACA recipients are unable to renew their work permits, nearly 700,000 people who are currently employed would exit the workforce. An average of 1,400 people would lose work authorization each business day and more than 6,000 could be fired in the first week alone,

Of course this could all be moot if Republicans Could Protect Dreamers If They Wanted To. But Will They?

Immigrant Advocates for DACA Keep Up the Pressure on Trump

US immigration: DACA and Dreamers explained

Applicants must provide evidence they were living in the United States at the prescribed times, proof of education and confirmation they are who they say they are. They must pass background, fingerprint and other checks that look at identifying biological features.
The fee to request consideration of deferred action for childhood arrivals, including employment authorization and biometric services, is $495.


20 cent question is what is the process for these young DACA people to become American citizens?
How are you not able to obtain citizenship after multiple decades of being here?

There are answers to more complex questions on the website of the US Citizenship and Immigration Services.

Fix that and we fix many other issues.

19 state attorneys general wrote a letter in July that urged the sitting president to continue the DACA program. In that letter, all of them promised they would go to court if Donald Trump persisted with his intention to end the Dreamers’ program.

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#5 2017-09-05 18:04:24

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The news that the government is phasing out the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, known as DACA, over the next six months. Then what?

These are just some of the people that this effects.

Ricardo Ortiz, 21-year-old student at the University of Houston who was brought to the U.S. from Monterrey, Mexico, at age 3, has been volunteering at the downtown Houston convention center that sheltered thousands of Hurricane Harvey victims..

Even small children would face deportation, among them students at Nellie Muir Elementary School in the predominantly Latino town of Woodburn, Oregon.

So lets back up abit in time... a birth certificate or birther rights begin begin with soveriegn soil and at least 1 adult parent being american. But what are we really saying?

A birth certificate is basically a registration form of Who, What, Where, When, to Whom as captured.
DACA registration was an attempt to create a traceability for Who, Where in American, When in America and possibly to whom if known or possible...which sounds like details captured for a passport or a quasi birth record as such for america.

Remember this does not make you American:
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The congress and senate was to blame for not passing any laws as they relate to immigration let alone illegal to which there had already been 2 amnesties given to those that came here illegally but they had no registration mmandate or follow through to force those here to become citizens. DACA was a first step in the process and it was done 2012 with still no action by congress or senate to take the next step which was to put into law what would be these peoples next step.

Drawbacks to deportation are cruelty to families that have american birth certificate children as that is actually a crime being committed under the name of national security called abandonment if you were american parents. As the government through there actions have caused just that....

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#6 2017-09-05 19:40:26

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The decision is being implemented in a way that appears to violate the Administrative Procedure Act, and the courts might well block the Trump administration’s action on those grounds.

DACA, known as “Dreamers,” must file an application with the Homeland Security Department and must seek renewal of their status every two years.

The Administrative Procedure Act, sometimes called the “Magna Carta of administrative law,” is a 1946 statute that governs hundreds of federal agencies, including the Department of Homeland Security. It requires that agencies go through a process known as “notice and comment” before issuing, amending or repealing “substantive rules.” As part of that process, the agency must publish proposed actions in the Federal Register and then give the public at least 30 days to submit feedback. When it finalizes its proposal, the agency must respond to issues raised by the public comments and must explain why it settled upon the course of action that it chose. The explanation must show why the agency’s action is reasonable and not “arbitrary” or “capricious.”

In hundreds of cases, the federal courts have had to decide what counts as a “substantive rule” to which the notice-and-comment requirement applies. In a nutshell, a substantive rule is an agency action that alters the rights or interests of parties, changes the background regulatory regime and has a present and binding effect. Sometimes, agencies will take actions that do all of these things but are labeled as “policy statements” rather than “substantive rules.” In those cases, federal courts will block the agency from carrying through on its policy until it goes through the notice-and-comment process.

Homeland Security Department will “reject all DACA initial requests” filed after Tuesday. It goes on to say that the department will “reject all DACA renewal requests” received after October 5 of this year. The memo has all the signs of a substantive rule. It alters the rights of Dreamers, who now cannot obtain work permits and other privileges associated with deferred action status (such as Social Security benefits).

As expected there are already a Legal fight to preserve DACA taking shape. Advocacy groups and at least three states promise challenges to President Trump's decision to rescind the program shielding undocumented immigrants from deportation. A lawsuit to charge that Trump’s effort to rescind President Barack Obama’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA, program is unlawful because it lacks a reasonable basis and because it is motivated by racial animus against Latinos.

The business community could also wind up funding part of the effort. Microsoft said Tuesday it will pay the legal fees incurred by 39 employees who are DACA recipients and are in jeopardy of losing that status as a result of Trump’s decision.

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#7 2017-09-05 20:40:11

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Once you add up all that could be deported under this latest turn of events that numbers for job lose will be near the million mark. This will have a lasting effect on the economy. Defiant 'Dreamers' Call Out Trump: 'We Are Making America Great' and that's not you dear sir with you catch phrase.....

“The US government is revoking the ability of roughly 800,000 Dreamers to continue to work and Contribute in too many ways to count. – They have the only home ever known. This is a failure to live up to a commitment made to Already Dreamers and is Contrary to America’s values and traditions.

Maryland's congressional Democrats and various immigrant rights groups condemned the Trump administration's decision Tuesday to rescind an order protecting immigrant children who were brought to the United States illegally. Lawmakers said removing protections for such immigrants would disrupt families and be cruel to those who were not to blame for their illegal status.

With that many Deporties this also means many properties will become vacant and another housing slump and continued economic loses to come. As Dreamers are our students, teachers, soldiers, first responders, Doctors, coworkers, neighbors, and friends.

Bob Iger, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company:
“The Dreamers impacted by this cruel and misguided decision make significant contributions to our economy and our country, and I urge Congress to take immediate bipartisan action to pass legislation that will protect these innocent people.”

With the action comes the reaction of Key Trump Aide’s Departure Rattles President’s Allies Director of Oval Office operations Keith Schiller and Diversity Council Member Quits On-Air After DACA Announcement Javier Palomarez, president and CEO of the U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce announced on the air that he’s quitting.

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#8 2017-09-05 21:44:05

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This Dreamer Died Saving Harvey Flood Victims. His Body Was Found The Day Reports Surfaced Trump Will Kill DACA

Alonso Guillen perished along with a friend.
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Classic American look....

Alonso Guillen came to the U.S. from Mexico as a child. He died here, too: On Wednesday, he disappeared when his boat capsized while he was rescuing survivors of the flooding caused by Hurricane Harvey in the Houston area.

Family members recovered his body on Sunday from a creek in Spring, Texas, according to The Houston Chronicle ― just hours before reports emerged that President Donald Trump will end the program that shielded Guillen and others like him ― so-called Dreamers ― from deportation.

Guillen, a 31-year-old disc jockey who came to Texas from Mexico as a teenager, never became a U.S. citizen. But he had a work permit and protection from immediate deportation as part of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program ― DACA ― that then-President Barack Obama established in 2012.

Last week, he headed south from his home in Lufkin, Texas, with a borrowed boat, insisting he wanted to help rescue flood survivors.

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This is the face of what it means to be American.....the timing of his death spotlights the contributions he and other Dreamers have made to the U.S.

While we can say its easy to give up our things when disaster strikes rather than losing a life the facts are that the Toll From Hurricane Harvey Includes Ongoing Trauma Felt by Survivors may not be all that easy for some to overcome the complete lose of all that they have if help does not come for them.

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#9 2017-09-06 17:29:56

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This should come as no surprise as Trump's decision to end DACA sparks backlash from both sides of the aisle with more coming from those that are  supposed to be doing what there electors wish but instead Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa,: Dreamers Can 'Live in the Shadows' After DACA Ends not true as they live in fear for being deported.
In the past, King's remarks about immigrants and immigration have drawn criticism even from those within his own party.
Trump said that the six-month delay would give Congress "a window of opportunity ... to finally act."
Trump's 'Bad Hombres' Remark Among Many in States' DACA Suit filed by attorneys general from 15 states plus the District of Columbia seeks to block Trump’s plan to roll back a program.  U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions, in announcing the action Tuesday, described Obama’s initiative as an “unconstitutional exercise of authority by the executive branch.” Trump's administration’s plan also violates Equal Protection and Due Process clauses of the Constitution’s Fifth Amendment, as well as the federal Administrative Procedures Act, according to the complaint. It also threatens to harm companies’ and states’ economic interests, the state officials allege.

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Now, DACA recipients are concerned that immigration officials will use their application data to target them for deportation.

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#10 2017-09-07 07:19:44

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Re: Status of DACA under Trump

Open up a path to legal residency. Anyone who stays clear of crime and not dependent on the state for five years can apply for permanent residency. The scheme will be open for a year, after which anyone who hasn't applied will be deported. People who fail the requirements during the five years will also be deported. People who do not meet the requirements (for example, being fluent in english) by the end of the five year period will be deported.

I think that's fair.


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#11 2017-09-07 15:45:57

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I think that you will find no disagreement from the commentors in this topic with regards to "there should be a path to legal residency and that of citizenship" as well. The past schemes were incomplete for the process and its now in the hands of the legislative branch to do there job.

I just watched the evening news from a florida lowes selling off a surprise shipment of generators in which a woman needed to get 1 for a backup for oxygen generation for a family member. A man barely able to speak english gave the one he had up to this woman and gave big hugs as this woman told reports that she did not know him and was so proud of his generosity to give his up.

This is the America that I know and the dreams that each have of prosperity in this great country.

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Pam Brekke drove 30 miles to a Lowe's in Orlando to buy a generator for her father, who is on oxygen and cannot be without power during the coming storm.

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#12 2017-09-08 17:05:12

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While Mr. Trump tweeted that DACA recipients have "nothing to worry about" despite that his administration is phasing out the program and a series of talking points advised them to self-deport. The ICE let it be known that it was to drops plan for huge nationwide raid due to hurricanes. ICE had planned large immigration raids later this month, but it had changed its plans due to the current weather situation in Florida and other potentially impacted areas, along with the ongoing recovery in Texas. "The priority in the affected areas should remain focused on life-saving and life-sustaining activities." ICE went on to say that its "fugitive operation teams will continue to target and arrest criminal aliens ... who are in violation of our nation's immigration laws, in non-affected areas of the country, as part of routine operations.

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#13 2017-09-09 03:39:47

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Why does it seem there is not much outrage over people, whose visas have expired, having to move back to their original country? Why should people who sneak across the border get more sympathy than them, rather than significantly less?


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#14 2017-09-09 17:57:25

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To answer Terraformer's question about undocumented aliens,  this traces to inaction by Congress since the end of WW2,  when the Bracero program ended,  with the mass deportation of Mexican agricultural workers. 

There are H1A visas for technical people,  and there are H2A and H2B visas for unskilled labor,  intended to be work permits for Mexican laborers.  These cover the laborers,  plus the dependents they bring with them.  H2A are migrant farm workers,  and H2B are all the other migrant worker trades,  such as "shitwork" at construction sites,  lawn care guys,  and toilet cleaners at motels. 

Because these are both low-paid,  and very hard and unpleasant work,  almost no Americans try to apply for such jobs.  The low pay is a vicious cycle:  because most of the workers are illegally here,  their employers extort a very low pay for them.  This is immoral and unethical,  but VERY widespread.  If these workers were legal,  pay would rise,  and some Americans might even apply for such jobs.

These workers are a huge factor in our economy:  around 15% of construction jobs,  and almost all the crop harvesters we have ever had. If you deport them all,  our economy not only crashes,  but you will go hungry because of high-priced foreign food imports.   Now that's the facts,  unpleasant though they are.

Why are these workers mostly illegal (and subject to extortion into wage slavery)?  Because the worker permit visa quotas are completely out-of-line with the "ground truth" of our economy,  something true and uncorrected by Congress since the end of WW2.  There are about 10 to 12 million illegal immigrant workers in the US,  depending upon whom you believe.  According to the Brookings Institute,  the cap on H2A and H2B visas totals to about 125-150,000.  That's a factor-of-100 out-of-balance with reality.

We brought this on ourselves;  more specifically,  our Congress did,  with over 7 decades inaction on this issue.  But we keep electing and re-electing the idiots that did this!

So,  stop re-electing them!

GW

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#15 2017-09-12 16:23:57

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Kbd512:

Thank you for taking the time to post your status it is greatly appreciated. I am glad that your family is all safe and that its just home damage that is what you will be dealing with. Be safe while doing this work as I am well aware of doing this sort of labor in the warmth of a hot summer here in N.H..

I do hope that you have freinds willing to help with all that you will be doing for home repairs.

In 2005 and 6 when we had the flooding due to the continous rain that hit us in may I had to deal with roof failure, many ceilings and insulation being damaged by rain water, cellar flooding from a cinder block foundation from a rising water table on a hilside.....

I had to lift while climbing a ladder all 60 plus sheets of sheathing, tar paper, bundles of shingles to the roof that was 15 ft above the ground being a split level raised ranch style construction. The home is 40 plus by 24 for square fottage.

Duing the cellar filling to nearly a foot of water. I dug by hand a ditch the 40 plus foot length of the home roughly 4 feet deep to below the concrete foundation sill footing and then another 40 towards the sloping hillside away from the house to create a gravity feed removal of this issue.

Had to rip out all the cellar sheetrock, walls that had been water damaged and all remaining pieces of the cieling plus all the insulation as well.

The FEMA flood coverage did give me enough funds to just barely buy the materials to make the repairs to just the roof. I was unemployed at the time still trying to feed my family of 6 at the time since the 2 oldest had graduated and were on there own.

Kbd512 wrote:

If the illegal immigrants who come here want to pay the taxes they owe, learn to speak English, and integrate into American society, then I have no problem whatsoever with that.  If they want to recreate the hell hole they ran away from, then they can go back to their hell holes.  Anyone who has a problem with the way we do things here is welcome to leave.  No one will stop them.  Anyone who tries to do that in commie utopia already knows what will happen.

You have no argument with this as we do not need any more little Tokyo's, China, ect.... as it is not the melting pot of the US so when we find the imigrants that are here illegally which have been given amnesty and what was DACA we should then spread them out across the nation not just into the cities but into the rural urban areas as well. They are not given a choice.

They would be given then a dcument to explain in there language but part way though finish it in english. This document will cover the timeline and requirements to become american citizens, the requirement of registration to be allowed to work and at that time to check the progress of the individual for citzenship. If there is no progress on the requirements then they are detained and deported.

Non of the is racial, xenophobic and will not require any walls or nationality bans, isolationist ideology, no white supremists, neo nazis nor condoning of any of this as there is no place in this world for these.

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#16 2017-09-25 20:04:25

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The chance to change DACA from the executive order nullifying what was with a statement that they would have just 6 months to create a real law to make what was absent some small amounts of language to make them citizens.

The GOP Called the SUCCEED Act, Senators James Lankford of Oklahoma, Thom Tillis of North Carolina — and apparently Utah’s Orrin Hatch — introduced the measure on Monday.

The SUCCEED Act provides a pathway to citizenship for those protected by DACA, although that pathway would take individuals some fifteen years to complete.

Which really is the problem that exists even under the old law.

Under the SUCCEED Act, eligible individuals — including those who have been in the U.S. since June 15, 2012, and were under sixteen when they entered — would be eligible to obtain “conditional permanent residence,” a status they would have to renew after five years and hold for ten years in total.

At more than a 2 year cycle for renewal of registration it would save some money over the existing process and appears to have a term cap to which an accomplishment must have occured..

Only after those ten years could individuals apply for a green card, and only after having a green card for five years could individuals provided for by the SUCCEED Act apply for citizenship.

But so far we have nothing about the bad criminals and deportation or anything of the likes to which is why we are here in the first place as trespass entry into America is there only crime.

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#17 2017-10-21 13:53:20

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Unless the Republican-controlled Congress passes a law granting them legal status, they could soon be subject to deportation.  Appauling Will DACA Parents Be Forced to Leave Their U.S.-Citizen Children Behind? An estimated 200,000 children are at risk of losing their parents.

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#18 2017-11-03 21:27:58

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The illegals, deportations, Daca, and now another attack on people that have been allowed to live and work in the United States for 20 years under a program known as Temporary Protected Status (TPS) for more than 300,000 Central Americans and Haitians.
DHS has until Monday to announce its plans for roughly 57,000 Hondurans and 2,500 Nicaraguans whose TPS protections will expire in early January. With the deportation of these people's the citizens will return with job skills, democratic values and personal savings acquired from living long term in the United States to their native countries. They will leave behind homes, businesses and nearly 275,000 U.S.-born children....

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#19 2018-01-18 20:27:27

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The walking over the border crime was forgiven with the repeated amnesty and via Daca which are both basically pardons by a president and congress to which the numbers have been dropping for the illegal crossings due to actual enforcements along the border which should have happened back in the late 70's and 80's so point the finger back to those in control when the border seemed wide open.... popping out children on american soils is the fault of those that said that's what counted to be american, its to bad that they can actual read or understand the loophole to want the best for the children...

I am in awe with this

"I pray for him every single day," she said. "I ask God to please forgive (President) Trump."

thst this
Undocumented activist fights for her children's right to stay in the US
The images tell the story as to what she is...

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#20 2018-01-19 09:22:52

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SpaceNut wrote:

The walking over the border crime was forgiven with the repeated amnesty and via Daca which are both basically pardons by a president and congress to which the numbers have been dropping for the illegal crossings due to actual enforcements along the border which should have happened back in the late 70's and 80's so point the finger back to those in control when the border seemed wide open.... popping out children on american soils is the fault of those that said that's what counted to be american, its to bad that they can actual read or understand the loophole to want the best for the children...

If she's being deported, then she obviously wasn't granted amnesty.  To write what you just wrote, you have to suspend objective reality and substitute your own beliefs about what you want for what our laws actually are.  President Trump is just enforcing objective reality and that's what you disagree with.  You believe in open borders, but a lot of us don't.  That would include Congress since they haven't changed the law.

All the people who came here illegally need to go back to their country of origin and apply to reenter legally as US citizens.  That is how amnesty would work, if we wish to grant amnesty.  I don't see any insurmountable problem with that.  In an immigration system that wasn't so dysfunctional, we'd give preference to people who could come here and support themselves and people who'd lived here most of their lives and committed no other crimes while living here.  Crimes mean felonies to me, not parking tickets or an unpaid water utility bill from ten years ago.  The same is apparently true for Congress.  We don't deport people over parking tickets, even when they're here illegally, because it's a waste of our time and money.

I'd thought America was the worst country on the planet, we're all bloodthirsty warmongering savages, and that we hate poor immigrants.  Or maybe that's just brain excrement from regressives who are "criminal behavior 'splaining" since so many immigrants are still dying trying to get here.  It'd be great if regressives could separate objective reality from what goes on in their minds.  Unfortunately, they seem to think that whatever happens in their heads, however logically divorced from the real world, is an acceptable substitute objective reality.

If an American walks across the border into Mexico, "la Policia" will jail and deport you.  That's just a fact.  If you think it ain't, then try it and see what happens when you do.  That's exactly what should happen here in the US of A.  If we didn't have so many "bleeding hearts" who pretend to care about "everyone in the world" instead of "their own fellow Americans", then that's exactly what we'd do.  President Trump isn't a bleeding heart, so that's what he's doing.  I wish him all the best.  In fact, it can't happen fast enough.

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#21 2018-01-22 13:38:16

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Re: Status of DACA under Trump

The Senate headed toward overwhelming passage of a short-term spending bill later in the day Monday after voting to end debate by a vote of 81-18. The House was then expected to pass the measure and send it to President Trump for his signature, laying the groundwork for the government to reopen by Monday evening. The spending bill would fund the government through Feb. 8 and reauthorize the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) for six years.

The GOP still does not know how to create a full year budget to which was what the democrats wanted to do even if they wanted more. That said the cave by democrats have set the stage for the GOP to fail as they will not do what is needed before the next deadline....

If final passage is approved in the Senate, the House will have to vote on the proposal. Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy anticipated a House vote around 4:30 p.m. Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wisconsin, signaled Sunday on "Face the Nation" that the House would pass the bill.

McConnell commits to addressing DACA and border security on Feb. 8 if those issues have not been resolved. Schumer said that Congress has "17 days to prevent the Dreamers from being deported."

Update this just in: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics … smsnnews11

The House joined the Senate in passing the bill to fund the government through Feb. 8, reauthorize the Children’s Health Insurance Program and roll back several health-care taxes. It passed 81-18 in the Senate and 266-150 in the House.

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#22 2018-01-23 13:33:33

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SpaceNut,

Let's review how the US Federal Government actually works:

1. The legislature creates laws
2. The judiciary determines the constitutionality of laws created by the legislature
3. The executive branch enforces laws created by the legislature

That's it.  That's our system.  It may not be the system you believe in, but it's the one we actually use.

DACA was an executive branch attempt to circumvent the authority of Congress.  No amnesty was granted by our legislature.  If you can't post a link to the portion of USC where illegal immigrants were granted amnesty by our federal government's legislature, then you don't know what you're talking about.

An executive order is not a substitute for immigration law.  President Trump asked Congress to make a law to legalize these people and they still haven't done it.  He even stated that on national TV because it's the truth and it's how our government is supposed to work.  His signature or phone call is not an acceptable substitute for immigration law.

POTUS has the legal authority to further restrict immigration, granted by Congress for purposes of protecting American citizens from foreigners who could potentially harm US citizens.  That's the extent of the executive branch's power over immigration.  POTUS does not have the authority to open our borders to let everyone come marching through.  No such authority was ever granted by Congress and former President Obama's attempts to do that were rescinded by SCOTUS three times!

Any POTUS attempt to grant amnesty is an abuse of executive power, already denied by SCOTUS three times for precisely that reason, and entirely contrary to actual existing laws passed by Congress.  POTUS does have the power to pardon anyone convicted of a crime.

President Obama ordered USBP to move multiple miles away from our borders and then said, "Okay, now that you can't even approach our borders by executive, prevent illegal immigrants from crossing into America."  He counted people turned away at the borders as "deportations" and then said "Look, we're deporting more people than President Bush ever did."  Umm... No, you just changed the definition of a deportation to try to support your demonstrably false statement.

Mexico enforces it's border when it comes to immigration and so does Canada.  If you don't believe me, then try crossing into Canada or Mexico without the permission of the Canadian or Mexican government, let them catch you, and then you will know what they will do to you.  Enforcement of our border does not make us "enemies" with anyone but criminals.  All sovereign states have borders.  The US is not an exception to that rule.

Donald Trump is an American and he is patriotic towards America.  He demonstrates that, rather than talking about it, by prioritizing the welfare of our own citizens above illegal aliens.  Breaking our immigration laws and coming here illegally does not make you a citizen.

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#23 2018-01-23 16:52:45

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I know that this is how you feel in that amnesty is a reward to those breaking the law. Giving amnesty to illegal aliens forgives their act of illegally entering the United States and in addition forgives related illegal activities such as driving illegally and working using false documents

There have been various law changes over the years that encouraged immigrants to enter or exit the United States. With the railroad, World War II, and agricultural work force demands, many immigrants saw the opportunity to come to the United States temporarily for money or a better life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amnesty defined as: "A pardon extended by the government to a group or class of persons, usually for a political offense; the act of a sovereign power officially forgiving certain classes of persons who are subject to trial but have not yet been convicted.

Really get the facts as In the United States, granting amnesties is chiefly a power of the Executive Branch, but under some circumstances Congress may also initiate amnesties as part of legislation. An amnesty does not erase a criminal act, nor to condone or forgive it, but merely enables political reconciliation. It is a pardon of crime but does not change that it has happened.

The first amnesty in United States history was presented by President George Washington, in 1795, to partakers in the Whiskey Rebellion, a series of uprisings caused by an out of favor excise tax on liquor.

President Reagan granted what amounted to a blanket amnesty to about 3 to 4 million individuals who were in the country illegally but who were not known to be guilty of any other crimes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigrati … ct_of_1986
The reform did not have a lot of impact on decreasing the immigrant population, "Until 2012, there was virtually no movement in Congress to deal with the problem of the 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the United States since the passage of the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, which granted amnesty to many of the 3.2 million illegal immigrants living in the United States.

Immigration amnesty laws exist to grant a temporary or permanent resident status to persons fleeing political or religious persecution in their home country. This is often referred to as "political asylum" status, although technically the terms asylum and amnesty are different.

We are a republic of states to which each state rules as well in matters of the states such as Traffic Tickets / Infractions Amnesty Program and more. Georgia’s 911 Medical Amnesty Law Drug overdose is a nationwide epidemic that claims.

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#24 2018-02-13 20:12:43

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The family entered the United States legally, paid taxes, committed no crimes and renewed their immigration paperwork on time, every time, as they worked toward citizenship. They fled political persecution and violence in their mother’s home country of Colombia by joining their paternal grandmother, an American citizen who lived in New York.

November,2017 a routine immigration meeting, their father was suddenly detained, immediately incarcerated and within weeks, deported. This month, their mother was deported as well. Liany and Dani Villacis, now 22, remain in the U.S. under DACA protection. They arrived with their parents in 2001, for the past 17 years, twin sisters Liany and Dani Villacis have called New York their home. After watching their parents quickly and inexplicably deported, the sisters are worried they could be next.

Pretty sad breaking up a family...

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#25 2018-02-14 11:57:21

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SpaceNut,

Regarding the border wall, why don't you go live down by the border in a city like El Paso?  Within a year, you tell me if you don't want to build a border wall.  If you don't think unchecked illegal immigration is a real problem, then you go to an area where you live with the consequences of illegal immigration.  You go tell the families of those American citizens who have had family members tortured, raped, and/or murdered by illegal immigrants from Mexico that illegal immigration is not a problem.  Your propaganda on this issue is decidedly anti-American sovereignty and pro-criminal behavior, which is typical of our east/west coast liberals.  Personally, I think you just want more Democrat voters, but after you've committed a felony, you don't have the right to vote.

JC Penney's needs to start acting like they're in the 21st century.

Remington is near bankruptcy because the quality of their product kept going downhill and their management sucked the profits out of the company to pad their pockets.

What's sad about the case of that family from Columbia is that they used false pretenses to enter America to begin with and that nobody had the backbone to send them back to Ecuador, which is where their father first obtained asylum and citizenship after fleeing from Columbia, which is why he never had cause to enter the US to begin with.  Entering the US under false pretenses is not legal and never has been.  They're not political refugees.  They're rich people who don't want to deal with the fact that their country's poor governance practices make life hazardous for anyone with a little money.  Post the full text of the article so your readers get to see the family blame their lawyer for information they failed to disclose.  They're prototypical regressives who blame other people for their own behavior.  The only way the kids would be subject to a DACA-related deportation is if they were never legal to begin with, which is apparently what the case happens to be.  Judges who use legal basis as the determining factor for their decision making don't use compassion or political agendas when they make rulings.

Pretty sad that you don't do your homework or deliberately ignore information that doesn't agree with your agenda...

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