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#26 2021-07-14 18:54:05

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Re: New language for Mars?

For Mars_B4_Moon re #25

Holy Moley!

SearchTerm:Language review by Mars_B4_Moon covering multiple languages and possible implications for Mars.

The Chinese are busy converting any stray non-Mandarin languages that remain in use in their land mass.

A few short years from now there won't be any left, if the trends there continue.

A settlement of Chinese on Mars may have a policy of keeping knowledge of other languages ready for use if needed, but I'll bet the main language in use within the settlement will be the same as in the Nation itself.

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#27 2021-07-14 19:06:22

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Re: New language for Mars?

There are many languages that are on the way into oblivion and since many have no written word to go with them its going to be even harder to keep these alive.
One way is to simply digitize the spoken word for later use with a Rosetta stone translation to aid others in learning them.

Now for the written language which are symbolic drawings that can connect to a single word or to a whole sentence these are going to be even harder to retain....without some sort of computer use to translate when being viewed.

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#28 2022-05-07 05:58:05

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Re: New language for Mars?

Maybe the sounds inside those Caves, the Biodomes and the hum from dust storms and frequency harmonics of sounds already on Mars will have an influence on the Mars Dialect?


This is what humans have learned about sound on Mars
https://www.albanyherald.com/news/this- … 4ef83.html

tahanson43206 wrote:

For Mars_B4_Moon re #25


The Chinese are busy converting any stray non-Mandarin languages that remain in use in their land mass.

They have regional languages and localized dialects but because everyone reads the same characters they all understand each other, they just have different words for stuff. All of Asia has local dialects, Korea has it, Thailand has it, Japan has it however as the education and tv is pushed and language standardized, lots of little cultures and micro-community have their linguist differences fade into extinction to be replaced by one larger generic language. There are still differences in the English languages, Scottish 'Gallus' Bold or Daring, Geks – glasses, Bonnie – describes something beautiful, Monadh– describes Moorland covered mountain, Fandan – a pretentious idiot, 'bonnie lass' is a lovely girl, some people who might speak perfectly good English from London or NewYork could arrive in some local part of Asutralia or Scotland and have no idea what the locals are saying because of the thick dialects and accents.
American vs British examples
Truck vs Boot
Faucet vs Tap
Autumn vs Fall
Dates are written in Different Forms
French fries or FreedomFries during the Neo-Con years vs Chips
American vs British that kind of thing

However some Chinese are so different and isolated it is almost impossible for a person from Beijing to understand them in regards to their writing and new education I think something has been lost in the standardization of simplification of Chinese, in the socialism drive to educate everyone maybe something got lost and now the guys in HongKong, Taiwan and Japan now write it better, it has retained the original art form.


I don't hope they preserve every diverse language because I hope they send ugly 1400 yr old religious Arabic hacking cough noises into extinction

The world has enough mohammedan 'culture'

New Controversies Arise Over French Language in Canada
https://www.voanews.com/a/new-controver … 42656.html

The 'K' flavour at Habitat Film Fest. Korean cinema or ‘K’ movies have gained immense popularity .
https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/fil … -film-fest

Students learn in Native language at immersion school
https://www.abqjournal.com/2489657/stud … ildre.html

The language of globalisation in a post-Covid world
https://www.reuters.com/brandfeature/th … ovid-world

Effective localisation requires local insights into what is relevant to the target audience in that territory, including an understanding of how a brand is used locally: for example, whether it is considered a luxury or mid-market brand, or the age of the target market. In addition, the cultural context must be considered: colour, icons and humour may all need careful localisation.

A well-known example of this is KitKat, which became extremely successful in Japan because KitKat sounds like “kitto katsu”, Japanese for “you will surely win!” Parents would give children the snack before exams, and the company leveraged this with a local campaign that allowed people to write a good luck message on the wrapper and then send the chocolate bar through the post. Japan is now the KitKat capital of the world.

Perhaps the most sophisticated element of localisation is transcreation – the adaptation of creative assets such as advertising slogans to a local market.

A great example of transcreation is Haribo’s slogan. In German it is “Haribo macht Kinder froh, und Erwachsene ebenso”. In English, a direct translation would be something like “Haribo makes children and adults happy as well.” This loses the rhyme, however, so it was adapted for English-speaking markets market as: “Kids and grown-ups love it so, the happy world of Haribo.”

Japanese toymaker introduces mini lunar exploration robot
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/japanese-toym … 49791.html

Salvador DALL-E: OpenAI releases Artificial Intelligence tool that can produce a full image from a text description - or even create new angles for existing images
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech … -text.html



A new album hopes to get a new generation speaking, singing the Cherokee language
https://www.kosu.org/music/2022-04-14/a … e-language

The 16 Rules of Esperanto, compared with English  http://esperanto-chicago.org/the-16-rul … h-english/ Is Esperanto the language of the Future? https://www.lexika-translations.com/blo … he-future/ , Lingua Ignota, Computer Languages? Solrésol and Esperanto


Esperanto  is the world's most widely spoken constructed international auxiliary language. Created by Polish ophthalmologist L. L. Zamenhof in 1887.
The language has also gained a noticeable presence on the internet in recent years
https://web.archive.org/web/20171228193 … -esperanto
https://web.archive.org/web/20171226021 … in-history

AI sucks at telling jokes — but it’s great at analyzing them
https://thenextweb.com/news/google-palm … yzing-them


This one is behind a pay wall

The complexities of fictional languages and argots
https://www.the-tls.co.uk/articles/comp … itra-fini/

However the make reference to fiction which is instresting. Some fanbase of LOTR, StarWars, StarTrek take their fictional scifi fantasy languages very serious.


Musk last year tweet,
a poem titled “Humankind,” included a composition known as the “Quatrain of Seven Steps.” The poem is famous in China, and refers to a spat between brothers.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/billionaire- … 49147.html

The poem, titled the "Quatrain of Seven Steps," was written by Cao Zhi, a poet who lived during the Three Kingdoms period of China, which spanned from 220 to 280 A.D. Cao Zhi reportedly said the words aloud to settle a dispute with his brother, Cao Pi. In modern-day China, it serves as an allegory for getting along.

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#29 2022-06-28 08:32:49

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Re: New language for Mars?

Some people accuse phones and text message speech and shortened slang words of making everyone dumber, however it has also allowed masses of peoples who might have been uneducated years ago to become more educated and communicate and exchange information.

Maybe we should do a future timelines or possible prediction thread?

Even if they’re not actually intelligent, AIs may shift the nature of human expression itself
https://theguardian.com/commentisfree/2 … ion-itself

Prediction from Caliban


More Practical Interplanetary Colonization Ship
https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=10120

Calliban wrote:

The future of Mars colonisation really is going to depend on NAFTA, which the UK and Australia will probably end up joining.  Japan will ultimately be drawn into a more intimate relationship with NAFTA as it's Asian trading partners collapse.  But it will lack a substantial surplus population to support actual colonisation efforts.  This means that a future colonised Mars is going to have a very specific Anglo-US Australian cultural leaning, with Hispanic elements part of the mix.  That has interesting implications for how Martian society will look, how it will solve problems and evolve.  But I digress.

Other discussion
A New Vision for Mars - Include Ordinary People and Their Kids
https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=2785
A private sector Lunar Mining colony - Getting the money
https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=1943
Languages - Parlo Italiano - What langauge should be the Official?
https://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=2748


maybe the AI themselves will invent their own mix of language with math and electro magnetic radiation broadcast and laser singals and direct brain images that are far more efficient than human speech?

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#30 2022-08-15 06:35:02

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Re: New language for Mars?

Full dive AI into the human mind is not so much full body immersion as it is becoming a faster full mind immersion exploration and communcation? Full dive thoughtometers that go into someone's mathematical dreamy mind

Photographic memory for a witness?
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101 … 562v1.full  several other scientists working on that since maybe 2019
Direct abstract visual math brain communication using sound, code and images

AI that can visualize our thoughts.
https://twitter.com/Ronald_vanLoon/stat … 98721?s=19

Perhaps you will have little control over the language on Mars, once those colonies get moving, the Bidomes grow food, the Biospheres start to trade Mars people, Human or Cyborg will speak whatever the Martians are already speaking. In Finland, there are lesser forms of Positive and Negative the Finnish has a word for yes, and a negative verb although one of its forms, 'ei', can serve as a general no. The confusions created by English,  it seems that English lacks a single word for the concept expressed by French 'si' or German 'doch' which is an 'affirmative' answer to a negative question. If a person is asked "Don't you like pie?" in English, both people can be easily misunderstood— both "yes" and "no" could either confirm the assumption or refute it. The conversation easily leads to Yes you don't like pie, or yes you do like pie?. 'Si', on the other hand, would invariably mean Negative "you're wrong; I *DO* like pie!"  Mars will they words for types of red sand or Eskimo words for snow so in this sense, they don't only have 2 or 20 or 200 words for types of ice or white snow, but an infinite variety— but this applies to each and every word for the types of Mars sands?

In our entertainment media the Tv, books and media seem to often indicate the futrue will have mixes of languages maybe Spansih or Japanese Turkish like in Demolition Man and Blade Runner or a mix of English a nd Chinese in Firefly there is futurist slang in Back to the Future Part II.  In Stargate, they combine the scifi futurism with mythology of the past almost adding a mix of ancient alien conspiracy story, the crew sent there on the Offworld Stargate team is a linguist and an Egyptologist, soon he recognizes the sound of words or similar phrases or one of the local transplanted humans shows him hieroglyphic inscriptions that he can recognize, he improvises his own translations across the Galaxy from a fictional world of ancient human/alien civilization. In back to the future the scifi fantasy movie policewoman mentions that Hilldale is "nothing but a breeding ground for tranks, lobos and zipheads". "Trank" seems to mean "drug addict".  Maybe you will wear a lens or glass or earphone that automatically attempts an on the fly translation or in the future, there will also be the de-evolved, the war torn people and idiocy where words are spelled as if they were written or typed by barely-literate children.

Do We Need a Single International Language in Space?
https://www.space.com/40864-internation … space.html

Transmission of new language, image, sound and code and a Cyborg A.I language that teaches itself to program better?

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#31 2022-09-22 05:54:29

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Re: New language for Mars?

I have posted before asking how Mars 'culturally' Does Not become a 'Failed State' or Asking if Multiculturalism Failed ?

So Lunar colonization will be a multi-cultural adventure, Gateway and Artemis agreements,  Mexican Colombian Spanish language with English and also 65 Latin Amerindian languages, 2 Creole languages, the mix of  local dialect Spain-Portuguese language and the Romani language, Ukrainian language, Singapore Malay or maybe even 'Singlish', Japanese language, Canadian French, Polish Western Slavic or simply polski, Brazilian Portuguese from the Ibero-Romance-Latin group, Korean language, New Zealand Native Maori language, the jihadi mohammedan language of  Sharia Law Monarchy Arab States? Brazil both Western and other non-alligned? is politically part of the BRICS group but I do not see South Africa,  as a Signatory Nation or Statement of Intent, this would add another 11 official languages.

Of course left by itself on some far off island colony, a language might even de-evolve

https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/topics/c5qvpq9wqd8t

Artemis Accords signatories hold first meeting

https://spacenews.com/artemis-accords-s … t-meeting/

“This will most likely take time,” he added, “but we believe this is very important.”

This is not a criticism of all others ability, the Canadians have made great contributions to NASA programs and have their own Space Program, S.Korea is now in space and Japanese got lots of experience with robots and have their own space missions, the French culture has worked on expendable launch systems since the 1960s, they put the first cat in space and gave us the workhorse of the Ariane rocket and are the backbone of a lot of ESA science, for a time Brazil joined the ISS project in 1999 and Brazil have been on the ISS in the past.

How silly could things get?

Dis dat Nasa dey don stop dat launch of dem new era dat Moon ploration

https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/

Dat issues techni make dat Nasa stop dont wuz  Moon dem rocket launch

Di American space agency don don call off launch of di new era Moon

Ima work na to force one test capsule, wey dem call Orion, farfar wuz fur from Earth.

'Everytin we no dis dey do wit dis Artemis I flight, we dey look see through di lens of wetin we fit prove out and wetin we fit demon strate wey go buy down risk for fur dis Artemis II crewed mission,
Nasa astro naut Randy Bresnik, x splain.'

https://www.bbc.com/pidgin


Elon Musk don become di richest for di world, as e overtake Amazon founder Jeff Bezos.

Di Tesla and SpaceX entrepreneur net worth don pass $185bn (£136bn) afta increase in di share price of im electric car company.

https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/tori-55581126
So, wetin be di secret of im success? To mark dis im new milestone we don put together some Elon Musk guide to success in business from interview we get wit am

Mandla Maseko: Di African astronaut wey die before im chance to enta space

One South African wey win opportunity to be di first black African to enta space don miss di chance afta im die for motorbike accident before im dream become reality.
https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/tori-48905827
Mandla Maseko wey be 30 years old, die on Saturday, according to statement wey di family release.
Arimah win 2019 Caine prize
In 2013, di South African Air Force member beat one million oda pipo to win one of di 23 places to go space academy in di US.

I honestly have no idea why the BBC wastes its peoples tax payer money to broadcast this creole jive ebonics pidgin English gibberish

pidgin or creole is sometimes confused with African American English?

"African American" Vernacular English

'As an African American who does not speak "African American" Vernacular English, I find this name to be a misnomer. I believe most will agree that this variant of the American English language is not an African American variety of the American English language. This dialect is commonly used (but not always used) among the hip hop community, those who are undereducated, and those who are impoverished. This being so, i believe that the article should reflect this fact and not give the impression that AAVE is just an African American dialect that spilled over onto other races.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Afri … ar_English


Multi-culture or multiple languages are not always a bad thing, Switzerland and Singapore are examples of multiple cultures inside a country that work.

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#32 2022-09-22 06:30:00

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Re: New language for Mars?

Mars_B4_Moon wrote:

I have posted before asking how Mars 'culturally' Does Not become a 'Failed State' or Asking if Multiculturalism Failed ?

So Lunar colonization will be a multi-cultural adventure, Gateway and Artemis agreements,  Mexican Colombian Spanish language with English and also 65 Latin Amerindian languages, 2 Creole languages, the mix of  local dialect Spain-Portuguese language and the Romani language, Ukrainian language, Singapore Malay or maybe even 'Singlish', Japanese language, Canadian French, Polish Western Slavic or simply polski, Brazilian Portuguese from the Ibero-Romance-Latin group, Korean language, New Zealand Native Maori language, the jihadi mohammedan language of  Sharia Law Monarchy Arab States? Brazil both Western and other non-alligned? is politically part of the BRICS group but I do not see South Africa,  as a Signatory Nation or Statement of Intent, this would add another 11 official languages.

Of course left by itself on some far off island colony, a language might even de-evolve

https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/topics/c5qvpq9wqd8t

Artemis Accords signatories hold first meeting

https://spacenews.com/artemis-accords-s … t-meeting/

“This will most likely take time,” he added, “but we believe this is very important.”

This is not a criticism of all others ability, the Canadians have made great contributions to NASA programs and have their own Space Program, S.Korea is now in space and Japanese got lots of experience with robots and have their own space missions, the French culture has worked on expendable launch systems since the 1960s, they put the first cat in space and gave us the workhorse of the Ariane rocket and are the backbone of a lot of ESA science, for a time Brazil joined the ISS project in 1999 and Brazil have been on the ISS in the past.

How silly could things get?

Dis dat Nasa dey don stop dat launch of dem new era dat Moon ploration

https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/

Dat issues techni make dat Nasa stop dont wuz  Moon dem rocket launch

Di American space agency don don call off launch of di new era Moon

Ima work na to force one test capsule, wey dem call Orion, farfar wuz fur from Earth.

'Everytin we no dis dey do wit dis Artemis I flight, we dey look see through di lens of wetin we fit prove out and wetin we fit demon strate wey go buy down risk for fur dis Artemis II crewed mission,
Nasa astro naut Randy Bresnik, x splain.'

https://www.bbc.com/pidgin


Elon Musk don become di richest for di world, as e overtake Amazon founder Jeff Bezos.

Di Tesla and SpaceX entrepreneur net worth don pass $185bn (£136bn) afta increase in di share price of im electric car company.

https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/tori-55581126
So, wetin be di secret of im success? To mark dis im new milestone we don put together some Elon Musk guide to success in business from interview we get wit am

Mandla Maseko: Di African astronaut wey die before im chance to enta space

One South African wey win opportunity to be di first black African to enta space don miss di chance afta im die for motorbike accident before im dream become reality.
https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/tori-48905827
Mandla Maseko wey be 30 years old, die on Saturday, according to statement wey di family release.
Arimah win 2019 Caine prize
In 2013, di South African Air Force member beat one million oda pipo to win one of di 23 places to go space academy in di US.

I honestly have no idea why the BBC wastes its peoples tax payer money to broadcast this creole jive ebonics pidgin English gibberish

I tried reading this, but unfortunately I don't speak Retard.  Sumwun tel da man i sed vat meen wurd.

Seriously, this sort of crap is why Australia had a 'White Only' immigration policy.  One way of avoiding interracial tensions is to avoid importing them.  And choose colonists from high IQ areas of the world.  That means Europe and East Asia.  People with enough neurons in their head to actually understand non-phonetic spelling.  Though apparently not enough neurons to develop a sensible energy policy.  Even clever people can be really stupid sometimes.  But at least they can reed, I mean read.

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#33 2022-09-22 07:04:06

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Re: New language for Mars?

Humans have been inventing languages for thousands of years.

Humans are ** still ** inventing languages.

It seems to me that since human babies have the ability to rapidly learn multiple languages, the best policy for parents and the larger community is to provide opportunities for each and every child to learn as many languages as possible during the years when the human brain is best able to do so.

Absolutely NO one has a right to force a language upon anyone else.

That doesn't stop most of us from attempting to force whatever our native language may be upon others.

Apparently that is just the way things are when a bunch of humans evolve on a planet.

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They tried to teach them English, US culture but they speak another language. After the Spanish–American War, English was the sole language used by the military government which consisted of officials appointed by the US Government. Spanish is the first official language of Puerto Rico, while English is the second official language. Spanish has been an official language in Puerto Rico since it was colonized by Spain in the 15th century. English was introduced as an official language when the United States acquired Puerto Rico as a territory after the Spanish–American War. The Puerto Rican Day Parade also known as the National Puerto Rican Day Parade takes place annually in the United States along Fifth Avenue in the Manhattan borough of New York City, the parade also happens in other cities with large Puerto Rican populations, such as Philadelphia, Chicago, and Boston, also have notable Puerto Rican parades and festivals.

“We’re with you,” Biden tells Puerto Rico ahead of visit
https://www.elnuevodia.com/english/news … -of-visit/

‘More a colony today than we were 30 years ago’: former senator of Puerto Rico
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202209/1276353.shtml

Why Hurricanes Are Such a Disaster for Puerto Rico
https://www.yahoo.com/video/why-hurrica … 02401.html

Lost language

On a recent two-month road trip through France, I prepared to square off against unexpected accents and regional slang as I made my way through unknown parts of the country. But as I dragged my suitcase with its one broken wheel through the cobblestoned streets of Lyon, Lille, and Aix-en-Provence, I was surprised to find hints of deeper language differences, literally at every corner.
https://frenchly.us/the-lost-languages-of-france/

Podcast

Franz Boas and the Boasians
https://hiphilangsci.net/2022/10/01/podcast-episode-28/

Immigration, identity shape election in French-speaking Quebec
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/2 … ing-quebec

What happens if your people are unhappy and want to break away?

Immigration could be source of conflict between Ottawa and Quebec’s re-elected CAQ
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/ … uebecs-re/

Quebec separatism in Canadian history some Québécois maintained a perennial desire to have their own state, there have even been nationalist extreme right or extreme left parliamentary groups that promoted radical actions annd other non-Violent but linked Sympathetic organizations and Sovereignist media.

The anon interwebs asks a question

'Why didn't Zamenhof include labial velar approximant in Esperanto?'
https://lulz.com/why-didnt-zamenhof-inc … 00-352214/
going by mix of responses I think that board is a crazy mix of 4chan or twitter 'culture'

Ideas on older languages
Early Indo-European Online
https://lrc.la.utexas.edu/eieol
Introduction to the Language Lessons

Recent advances in determining the origin of western civilization and the settlement of Europe are based especially on findings in genetics, archeology and linguistics. The papers on the topic given at a conference that brought together eminent specialists in these fields under organization of the Banco Popolare di Milano have been published in Italian under the title Le radici prime dell'Europa. Gli intrecci genetici, linguistici, storici, edited by Gianluca Bocchi and Mauro Ceruti (Milan: Bruno Mondadori, 2001). While these three sciences all provide information on the settlement, only through linguistics can the people involved be identified. Yet linguistics dealing with the early period is least advanced of the three. Moreover, grammars published as introductions to the early languages are produced on the pattern of those designed for instruction of secondary school students of years past, who were expected to take eight years of Latin, six of Greek, and then proceed to the study of Sanskrit and other less widely studied languages like Old Slavic, Armenian, and Avestan. Under curricula of today, few scholars find such a course of study acceptable.

The evolution of dialect, slang and languages itself

and How did 'entreat', but not 'treat', shift to mean 'to enter into negotiations'?
https://english.stackexchange.com/quest … gotiations

Junkmail and Phone calls for Martians? It's not just Spammers inside India, Turkey, Brazil, Pakistan, Nigeria, Vietnam sending you messages its also the software robots are trying to sell you stuff.

FCC Threatens To Block Calls From Carriers For Letting Robocalls Run Rampant
https://www.theverge.com/2022/10/3/2338 … osenworcel

Google Translate, one of Google's last remaining products in China, has been shut down "due to low usage." According to CNBC, "The dedicated mainland China website for Google Translate now redirects users to the Hong Kong version of the service. However, this is not accessible from mainland China."
https://tech.slashdot.org/story/22/10/0 … e-in-china

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Re: New language for Mars?

conceptual structures  which come from a written symbol or spoken words

I'm still not sure if it is wise for tax payers to fund the BBC Pidgin Ebonics creole languages or BBC News Pidgin service


Badly spoken English or gibberish and Afro slang from 17th century and bad spelling wi5th modern rap words has now become one of the most widely spoken languages in West Africa, , it does not have a standard written form but BBC is trying to make it official as a form of news communication?


Human Brains and Languages

Role of Executive Resources In Language Comprehension

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIp28qJgXm0

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Re: New language for Mars?

Aaack aaack aaack, aaack ack aaack.

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Sounds like that Tim Burton movie Mars Attacks! smile

I was think 'Morse Code' might also be useful required by law or mandate for early colonists in case of an emergency

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Grammar changes how we see: an Aboriginal language provides unexpected insight into how language influences perception
https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti … age-shows/

The Sapir-Whorf hypothesis and linguistic reality



Subscribed paywall

The lexicon of an Old European Afro-Asiatic language. Evidence from early loanwords in Proto-Indo-European
https://www.vr-elibrary.de/doi/10.13109 … 22.135.1.3
The study examines the archaeolinguistic implications of Semitoid loanwords in Proto-Indo-European. Contact linguistics offer a unique opportunity to calibrate speech communities in relation to each other, but the Steppe hypothesis of Indo-European does not contain a concise explanation of the immutable similarities in primarily Neolithic vocabulary shared with Southwest Asian speech communities. The study introduces a baseline of 21 pivotal items with the distribution and age in both Indo-European and Semitic that should be accounted for. It is concluded that a parsimonious archaeolinguistic scenario is available on the “persistent frontier” between the early European farmers and the nascent Steppe pastoralists on the eastern perimeter of the Carpathians. Subject to further scrutiny, a sub-family here called Old Balkanic on the Afro-Asiatic language tree is posited as the source of the Semitoid words in Proto-Indo-European.


Languages with more speakers tend to be harder to (machine-)learn
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-45373-z



Here is the Pigin News Service

https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/articles/cxw1pzz1ly0o

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Mars_B4_Moon
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Re: New language for Mars?

'Superintelligent AI: can chatbots think?'
https://www.ft.com/content/662dc600-87d … 8984e1c638

Don’t Fear the Robot: Taming ChatGPT and Making It Work for You
https://www.geeky-gadgets.com/dont-fear … k-for-you/

Stackexchange and our discussion of language

'Is there research on which diphthongs are perceived by English speakers as single sounds?'
https://linguistics.stackexchange.com/q … s-as-singl

Como se diz «spoiler» em português?
https://portuguese.stackexchange.com/qu … ugu%c3%aas

Why does 善悪の彼岸 mean "Beyond Good and Evil"? In particular, how does 彼岸 correspond to "beyond"?
https://japanese.stackexchange.com/ques … -%e5%bd%bc

Whether to say “c’est drôle comment” or “c’est drôle comme”
https://french.stackexchange.com/questi … b4le-comme

I had posted on this animal marine mammal topic before

Perhaps SETI communicating with humpback whales to learn and train an AI model on how to interact with potential NHI

Scientists had a 20-minute "conversation" with a humpback whale named Twain

https://www.earth.com/news/scientists-h … med-twain/

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