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A band of terrorists paid off a Mexican Drug cartel to get them and their Russian Anti-tank and other military grade weapons into the United States through a tunnel under the US-Mexico border in order to attack a US Army base. I just heard this from Fox News, it isn't on their website yet.
So I hear the Russians are supplying terrorists with military grade weapons to attack US Army bases with. What do you think about that? I'm sure you can't legally buy Russian-made anti-tank weapons at your typical Mexican gun store can you.
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What!!! The Russians are supplying terrorists?!?! This is the first I've heard but it happened, what, ten minutes ago and I haven't seen the news?
Buy a nuclear bunker, that's my advice. Or convert a ICBM into a spacecraft. It's safer up there.
Use what is abundant and build to last
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Weapons of Russian design doesn't automatically mean Russian supplied weapons.
But yeah, this is what happens with an open border.
The real news here is that they had the ball bearings to hit a military base, and didn't aim for a mall.
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I'm not saying the Russians gave it to them all wrapped up in a bow, but the Russians did sell those weapons to somebody. I'd say find the serial numbers of those weapons and where they were manufactured, if the Russians refuse to cooperate in this, that is a sign of their hostile intentions. Then find out who the manufacturers of those weapons sold them to, if they continue to sell these sorts of weapons to the same buyer, I'd consider that a hostile act on the part of Russia against the United States. I'd demand that Russia stop supply terrorists with these weapons and if they refuse to comply, break off diplomatic relations with them! Supplying terrorists who attack Americans is what I'd consider an act of war!
I'm getting sick and tired of all these terrorists running around murdering people with these Russian made weapons. One might argue that someone might buy an AK-47 at a gun store, but a Russian made anti-tank weapon? Artillery pieces in the hands of terrorists that attack Israel? Come on, I am not that stupid, and we shouldn't let the Russians off the hook if this keeps up. The United States at least makes some effort to sell its military weapons to scrupulous buyers, if we are not perfect, still the site of a terrorist with an American made military weapon is a rare sight, unlike the ubiquitous Terrorist with Russian made weapons. The Russians sell too many dangerous weapons to too many people with no questions asked, many have no rational as a hunting weapon or for self defense. What civilians should be running around with anti-tank weapons? The Russians don't care, they are the main suppliers to terrorist organizations throughout the world, and I say we should at least boycott all Russian products until the Russians change their behavior! There should be people protesting right in front of the Russian Embassy, calling them a bunch of murderers and babykillers, spitting in their faces, and burning Russian flags evertime a terrorist attack with Russian supplied weapons occurs. We should hold the Russian's feet to fire, make their diplomats feel uncomfortable, we should write hostile letters to the owners of the factories that make these weapons! "How Dare you supply your weapons to these murdering terrorists!" and other things of that nature.
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Russian designed stuff is produced, found, and used all over the world by former Soviet bloc countries, drug cartels, even various US allies because its so dam cheap. Its the legacy of the cold war we'll have to deal with for the next century or so.
We can't take it personally. I'm sure the Russians didn't like having their own stuff turned against them in Chechnya either.
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Well lets see if they stop selling weapons to Iran. As far as I'm concerned Iran is a terrorist country. I feel that so long as Iran is supporting terrorist organizations such as Hamas, then Russia shouldn't be selling them additional weapons. I think the best thing the Russians can do is to cease producing the kinds of weapons the terrorists typically use, reequip their armed forces with new weapons that aren't compatable with the old weapons they previously produced, stop producing ammunition and spare parts for all those old Soviet weapons, and eventually those weapons will wear out or run out of ammo. Trade embargos against countries producing Soviet designed weapons without their permission would also help, that is a patent infringement after all, We could also sue those countries that give weapons to terrorists, and impose trade embargoes on them until they make restitution to all those victims of the terrorists they support and until that happens freeze them out and hold those countries responsible.
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What!!! The Russians are supplying terrorists?!?! This is the first I've heard but it happened, what, ten minutes ago and I haven't seen the news?
Buy a nuclear bunker, that's my advice. Or convert a ICBM into a spacecraft. It's safer up there.
I think people are reading too much into this, or suffering from too much Russia-phobia, this is more about Dollars/Euros talking and not about Russians chatting with terrorists. Sales of defense equipment is often dirty business, Hugo Chavez owns general dynamics F-16 airplanes does this mean Americans are selling military toys for profits, selling them to countries that politically hate the USA. No its just the dirty business of ruthless capitalism, Venezuela had those things a long time ago from sales and the way money works is that sometimes people have a price.
I do agree that Putin is starting to make mistakes, sometimes I think he is beginning to push Russia in the wrong direction with the USA. Russia and America are different cultures but they are supposed to share common values, they both want their security, there are values in these places that respect law, both Russia and America they love their nature, their eagles and bears, they like their environment, their birch-trees, the people both want to be safe. Maybe Putin is becoming confrontational, if Putin keeps going in this direction might start to push Russia backwards. I think Russian people want to be going forward not some old Cold Warrior that sounds like the old days of East vs West.
Do not read too much into these arms sales, its most about profits $$ and not much else. BTW if you to a little research you can see American companies from the US selling all kinds of military toys to some very strange people and countries they shouldn't be doing business with but like I've been saying money talks.
Russian designed stuff is produced, found, and used all over the world by former Soviet bloc countries, drug cartels, even various US allies because its so dam cheap. Its the legacy of the cold war we'll have to deal with for the next century or so.
We can't take it personally. I'm sure the Russians didn't like having their own stuff turned against them in Chechnya either.
I think this is a much better explanation of the arms situation
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What!!! The Russians are supplying terrorists?!?! This is the first I've heard but it happened, what, ten minutes ago and I haven't seen the news?
Buy a nuclear bunker, that's my advice. Or convert a ICBM into a spacecraft. It's safer up there.
I think people are reading too much into this, or suffering from too much Russia-phobia, this is more about Dollars/Euros talking and not about Russians chatting with terrorists. Sales of defense equipment is often dirty business, Hugo Chavez owns general dynamics F-16 airplanes does this mean Americans are selling military toys for profits, selling them to countries that politically hate the USA. No its just the dirty business of ruthless capitalism, Venezuela had those things a long time ago from sales and the way money works is that sometimes people have a price.
I do agree that Putin is starting to make mistakes, sometimes I think he is beginning to push Russia in the wrong direction with the USA. Russia and America are different cultures but they are supposed to share common values, they both want their security, there are values in these places that respect law, both Russia and America they love their nature, their eagles and bears, they like their environment, their birch-trees, the people both want to be safe. Maybe Putin is becoming confrontational, if Putin keeps going in this direction might start to push Russia backwards. I think Russian people want to be going forward not some old Cold Warrior that sounds like the old days of East vs West.
Do not read too much into these arms sales, its most about profits $$ and not much else. BTW if you to a little research you can see American companies from the US selling all kinds of military toys to some very strange people and countries they shouldn't be doing business with but like I've been saying money talks.
Russian designed stuff is produced, found, and used all over the world by former Soviet bloc countries, drug cartels, even various US allies because its so dam cheap. Its the legacy of the cold war we'll have to deal with for the next century or so.
We can't take it personally. I'm sure the Russians didn't like having their own stuff turned against them in Chechnya either.
I think this is a much better explanation of the arms situation
In other words, they are saying, "Its not that were pushing Communism or trying to foment violent revolutions, we are just trying to make a buck off the murder of your child. Nothing personal."
There are two kinds of arms dealers, there is the scrupulous arms dealer that obeys the law, makes the required background checks on all of his customers before selling them anything lethal, and their is the other kind that sells weapons under the table to gangsters, drug dealers, terrorists, all sorts of scum and villiany with no questions asked.
Now all I'm asking is that Russia join the community of normal nations and stop being that underhanded weapons dealer that sells to all kinds of criminal organization. I think the people that manufacture Kalashnikovs ought to be ashamed of themselves, yes I realize they need a job to put their children through school and to feed them, but other people have children too, children who get murdered by the guns they produce, and no one in their company seems to make any effort to see that their guns don't fall into the wrong hands. At least the United States tries, you don't see bank robbers with M16s very often. I think if Russia would at least make the effort to scrutinize those people that they sell their weapons to, it might at least have some positive effect, but they don't even try. Its all about the buck and selling as many guns as possible, but meanwhile their reputation suffers as they go down in history as the worlds leading manufacturer of terrorist weapons and the arms supplier of choice for drug traffickers and gangters world wide. When is Russia going to join those countries trying to fight crime instead of aiding and abbeding it?
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You can sort of buy M16s. You can get a firing pin for the civilian version that turns it full auto.
Use what is abundant and build to last
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Yes, but is easier to buy an AK-47 from an unscrupulous arms dealer. I have a friend who owned an AK-47. I myself would not buy such a thing. I think its time that Russia become more responsible and stop selling weapons to anybody who asks.
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Well lets see if they stop selling weapons to Iran. As far as I'm concerned Iran is a terrorist country. I feel that so long as Iran is supporting terrorist organizations such as Hamas, then Russia shouldn't be selling them additional weapons. I think the best thing the Russians can do is to cease producing the kinds of weapons the terrorists typically use, reequip their armed forces with new weapons that aren't compatable with the old weapons they previously produced, stop producing ammunition and spare parts for all those old Soviet weapons, and eventually those weapons will wear out or run out of ammo. Trade embargos against countries producing Soviet designed weapons without their permission would also help, that is a patent infringement after all, We could also sue those countries that give weapons to terrorists, and impose trade embargoes on them until they make restitution to all those victims of the terrorists they support and until that happens freeze them out and hold those countries responsible.
Iran deserves an arms embargo from everyone, not just Russia.
And we have a hard enough time stopping countries from producing WMD's on their own. I'll worry about those before the Aks.
Honestly, the best defense we have against ak's are our own. But I can't buy one in my state with anything bigger than a 10 round clip, much less a collapsible stock, a pistol grip, a silencer thread or bayonet lug. So really, were only disarming ourselves.
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Buy an AR-15 from a reputable source, go through the usual background checks and so forth, but don't give your business to someone who supplies terrorists and doesn't make any effort to prevent their weapons from falling into the wrong hands. Russia fancies itself a Christian Nation now with an Orthidox Church, yet that same Russia also supplies Muslim fundamentalist countries such as Iran and Syria that murder Christians. If you haven't noticed, must of the weapons those Jihadists brandish are of Russian make and most of the Christians they murder are murdered with Russian weapons. Now what sort of chrisitian nation would join a Muslim holy war against the west, and what sort of nation would join the side of a war where their allies consider them infidels and unbelievers and who just a decade before was on the side of Serbs who raped and murdered Muslims? Looks like the Russians have their own form of Bush Derangement Syndrome or America Derangement Syndrome. If it was me who was President, I'd repeatedly ask the Russians, "What's if going to be, War or peace? If you keep helping our enemies attack American Citizens we are going to declare war on you, so make up your mind whose side your on!" Its not a very good sign if we have to threaten the Russian with Global Thermo nuclear war in order to get them to stop supplying terrorists who have declared War on the United States. Perhaps we ought to resume open air tests of our nuclear weapons to get the point across that we are serious.
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Most AK-47s are manufactured locally, not exported from Russia. AK's are very primitive weapons and every semi sophisticated metalshop can build them. That's why they're so popular.
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I'd be more worried about the uranium
The key to preventing the former Soviet block from hemorrhaging nasty stuff from the Soviet era is empowering and working with them. They have all the potential and sophistication as the west and none of the prosperity. Its no wonder their a little bitter and like to arbitrarily oppose us despite the obvious danger it puts them in.
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Most of the former Soviet Block that is bitter is Russia itself. Russia is the only former Soviet block member that is unsatisfied with being a former Soviet Block Member. Other former Soviet Block members are adapting, like Ukraine, and most of those former Soviet Block members blame Russia as the reason why they have to catch up with the West. It was after all Russia where the Bolshevik Revolution occured, it was Russia that imposed these socialist ideas on them, and Russians that ran most of the Soviet Empire. The only people that miss the Soviet Union are the Russians because they ran things, they directed the minority nationalities to "dance to their tune". The bitter old Russians are just going to have to get used to being a smaller country, but still the largest one in the world. The Georgians, the Ukrainians are happy with their current borders, some pro-russian leading countries have dicators that don't want to lose their power to "the people" so they get all palsy with Putin to form an undemocratic block to maintian their authority, this is mostly central asian countries.
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Yeah, the Eastern Europeans who ran to western democracies as soon as they could get away, and their doing relatively well. If Russia did the same they could be drowning in Western investment in its vast unexploited natural resources. Instead Russia trys something in the middle that is still getting them lots of oil money but no one seems to know were its going.
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